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Mocky: I think I'm going to pick up a cheap unlocked phone as mine isn't unlocked
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they're yours for so long as pig corralled.
asciilifeform: linux is a sad story for same reason as the sov pdp11 - 'why didja copy liquishit when could have made sane design' 'but CHEAP! and legacy coad! and warez!' it was economic 'forced mistake'.
mircea_popescu: right. such as, for instance, a fucking os you can trust.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 01:51 asciilifeform: and yes if there were some magical way to get errybody who benefits from tbf and ergo working btc net, to put into the piggy, it'd be splendid, thing could fund even such things as flotillae of noads, or even trbi dev, etc, whoknows. but there is no magic. and it is a lucky thing that tbf in fact has the coin with which to do the bare minimum and host patches ( not on shitazon! jurov ! ) and handful of reliable nodes.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-30 01:45 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: if heathendom drifts far enuff into prbism, as things are currently we're blockless
mircea_popescu: i see the point of hind-front, though ideally not entirely as a time function.
asciilifeform: trinque: tru. but nobody's about to become mircea_popescu off what's in the tbf piggy as we know it.. ☟︎
asciilifeform: the 1 gotcha is that most trb-related items afaik constrained by scarcity of skilled l1 hands, not coin as such
trinque: as the chairs appear to have money, but not time, the investor role seems to fit best.
asciilifeform: trinque: as mircea_popescu observed earlier, if we succumb to logic of 'word taint' we'll quickly turn into the speed of light people
ben_vulpes: well obviously someone sees the value in it as at least a testbed, what cost to him of registering a key.
asciilifeform: right nao we only have blox because chinese d00dz i've never heard of, and dun expect to, run ~trb-compat proggies. i've nfi if trb per se helps this state of affairs to continue, but for so long as it continues, oughta at least not interfere, imho.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855812 << you can't help people against their will. there is no such thing as "powered text". all text is powerless, the power gotta be with people. ☝︎
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: as for 'premium' noad access, recall how the mircea_popescu 'trbi' thread was born. ( classical btc offers no sweet pill for how to reward node operators. any attempt to charge for 'gets mined faster' inevitably reduces to a game the miners can themselves win, cutting out middlemen )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-30#1855796 << i think this narrowed down over time in everyone's mind, as the shocking incapacity of "the everyone" to step up to the plate became ever more enshrined in experience. ☝︎
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: it's already pretty much as 'gated' as anyhing gets, already to build it heathen must just about change religions
asciilifeform: the heart of the matter is that nobody cancelled http://trilema.com/2014/the-woes-of-altcoin-or-why-there-is-no-such-thing-as-cryptocurrencies/ theorem.
asciilifeform: and yes if there were some magical way to get errybody who benefits from tbf and ergo working btc net, to put into the piggy, it'd be splendid, thing could fund even such things as flotillae of noads, or even trbi dev, etc, whoknows. but there is no magic. and it is a lucky thing that tbf in fact has the coin with which to do the bare minimum and host patches ( not on shitazon! jurov ! ) and handful of reliable nodes. ☟︎
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: if heathendom drifts far enuff into prbism, as things are currently we're blockless ☟︎
ben_vulpes: inner popscu suggests "what, as if its used by anyone outside the republic anyways? if joe blow wants a sane client (which republicans should be mentioning in their blogs etc), he can join the republic and ask for the vpatches." but perhaps i'm undercalibrated.
esthlos: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-27#1855058 << as to this, the initial release (this weekend) will use gnupatch. I tried to design the thing so that I can swap out the patcher for my own afterwords. eventually my own mcilroy should make its way in. ☝︎
ben_vulpes: did what, as far as mod6 and i could tell, it needed to.
asciilifeform: but ftr i would see death of tbf as a substantial republican defeat
ben_vulpes: this has the advantage of aligning tbf with how things actually work in the republic, as driven forward by the hands of those doing the work.
trinque: beyond hot-wallet-subscription, notions of trb-as-a-service sit, for in-WoT developers that want highly available programming interfaces to a trb fleet
trinque: as it stands the deedbot wallet project is a hand-cranked charity I run, really want to see that thing move towards paid subscription services before I take on something else.
mircea_popescu: certainly it has that advantage, which no pantsuit item ever could point to, of being VERY conservativewly run and as a result decent roi through keeping denominator down.
mod6: I think trinque would be a great candidate for Foundation Co-Chair. (As I've said before).
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform iirc it was kinda chartered with carte blanche, "do whatever, just do". the way history flew it worked out as a sort of "holder of trb project" pretty much yes.
asciilifeform: mod6: ftr i'm 100% satisfied with your work as trb chair
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu : pretty much erry worthwhile thing can be rewritten as 'permanent burn' of ~somebody~
mircea_popescu: it's not directly evident to me that foundation as it currently stands is factually more than a permanent drain on mod6 's worktime.
asciilifeform: iirc we did the 'civilized' thing where chair is 1 d00d, treasurer -- another, there's at least a nominal procedure for handover, etc , mircea_popescu suggested it and asciilifeform et al saw it as Right Thing
mircea_popescu: the issue however, is that if mod6 does all the work he does ~as mod6 ~ or as ~the chair of bitcoin foundation~ in the end makes little difference, it's still the exact same work.
asciilifeform: and yes i'd luvv as much as errybody else if a battallion of civilized folx were to materialize out of somewhere and donate, or even run nodes. but they are evidently scarce, mircea_popescu beat the subject of 'sane people ~extinct' just about todeath
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-29#1855679 << heathendom is fulla parasites who are happy to use bitcoin without contributing so much as a farthing to keeping the 1 and only working client going, noose at 11 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: if i have to run a balance sheet putting the active on one side and passive=delayed-keccak-adoption on the other side, it's coming out in the red as it stands.
mircea_popescu: we can kick it as high as we want, no wings, no life.
mircea_popescu: exact same as so far, i reckon. winge and whinge and wring our wrists and worry about it.
mircea_popescu: but as far as the foundation is concerned -- if all it does (ALL IT DOES!!!) is stand up to tell me "oh, we can't follow the keccak because reasons" ima put an end to it in short order. ☟︎☟︎
mod6: Only thing I've been held back by is lack of time as I've been way overwhelemed by all of the Pizarro work.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-29 22:54 mod6: Anyway, TRB will live on as SHA512 hashes in vpatches until there is a very clean way to switch. For The Foundation, the switch needs to be very seemless for newbs.
trinque: now I can as well.
mod6: Anyway, TRB will live on as SHA512 hashes in vpatches until there is a very clean way to switch. For The Foundation, the switch needs to be very seemless for newbs. ☟︎
mod6: I want users to be able to get a vtron, as they do now, with v.pl, then build trb in very much the same way they are able to today.
mircea_popescu: d the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And in as much as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied
mircea_popescu: idoubt it'll ever fly, domestic duck as it is.
asciilifeform: ( hence why i put that 512 as the initial guess for Payload_Size )
asciilifeform: which in so far as i can tell, doesn't frag.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the tricky bit , as i understand, with those, is that they only work in 1 dir
asciilifeform: ( as it is, ice40 won't even hold ~one~ 4096bit adder ! )
asciilifeform: ( on sw , the sun ddoses you 24/7/365, as well as washington )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: whole reason ddos even exists as a concept is the short-sighted idjicy of arpa designers. i'd like to avoid repeating it.
asciilifeform: Mocky: me neither, esp. given as it wins nuffin bandwidth-wise
asciilifeform: diana_coman: all of my testfires thus far ended up 'no loss, no reorder, as if on lan'
a111: Logged on 2018-09-27 19:17 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I have returned from the envirorast office, about to fire off a message to DHL informing them to try again as I am a provisionally acredited importer of packaged goods for commercial use
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it not only made for very picturesque output in old buggy vtrons, but pretty terrible for blood pressure, as turned out that the supposed 'disable fuzzy' flags dun actually do anyffin in gnupatch
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: shouldn't take much sweat, anyffing that calls gnupatch could just as readily call phf's
mircea_popescu: truth be told, on the internet-as-we-thought-it-was, video on demand'd have been a miracle.
mircea_popescu: and diana_coman or hanbot or who will you pick have little problem in turning over next-day keccak patches on trees, as recently put on display. i don't think they're either smarter or blesseder than you, they just have the toolset ready.
mircea_popescu: as things grow, upgrades by parts become a matter of necessity.
mircea_popescu: but yes, the obnoxious part about the ignorant approach is that it purports to "identify as problems" the speciffic parts that are both well designed and functioning as designed, ie specifically the hash transition.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-27#1855005 << certainlt. it's already unpacked, as far as that can be done, at http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-27#1855075 ☝︎☝︎
asciilifeform: tho as i understand it, they did not account for the 8 byte udp header size, and thereby still fragged.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-27 21:02 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-27#1855089 << i have no fucking idea how. i read the logs daily atm, mostly impelled by... outright fear. the best heuristic i know of, but otherwise this promises to be a first caliber bane as time goes by.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-27#1855089 << i have no fucking idea how. i read the logs daily atm, mostly impelled by... outright fear. the best heuristic i know of, but otherwise this promises to be a first caliber bane as time goes by. ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-27 19:17 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I have returned from the envirorast office, about to fire off a message to DHL informing them to try again as I am a provisionally acredited importer of packaged goods for commercial use
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-27#1855075 << yea if i'd smoke-tested it earlier, would have found. on top of this, naively assumed that diana_coman has a working and complete keccaktronic v , given as she's moved smg to newform ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-27 12:47 diana_coman: since I need to get the work done on this, I reground the UDP lib and I'll proceed from there; asciilifeform, phf and anyone else interested, keccak-patches are on my Code Shelf as usual: http://ossasepia.com/reference-code-shelf/#selection-477.0-477.19
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I have returned from the envirorast office, about to fire off a message to DHL informing them to try again as I am a provisionally acredited importer of packaged goods for commercial use ☟︎☟︎
phf: right vpatch applies 'diff -ruN' style patches exactly. it also keeps track of both the hash of the patched file and the hash of the result state as it's reading/patching (there's no double read happening), and errors out if either fails to match the hashes in the header
phf: re standalone keccak hasher: i'm not sure that it's needed, i think the relevant phase can just be dispensed with altogether. `vpatch' verifies the hashes as it goes along
a111: Logged on 2018-09-26 22:01 asciilifeform: unlike some folx (as late as '16 some confessed to git ) asciilifeform does not use heathen versiontrons internally, strictly 100% v from aug '15
asciilifeform: if phf's item came with a standalone keccak hasher , would then be quite simple to retool e.g. mod6's vtron, to follow the new format. but as it is loox like i'ma have to wait for esthlos , to get full working replacement for old vtrons
diana_coman: I kept waiting on phf and esthlos since they were working on it as far as I could tell; and http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-27#1854921 ☝︎
asciilifeform: i'ma try esthlos's item as soon as it is rolled out.
asciilifeform: so as i understand nobody has a 100% complete newtype vtron quite yet
diana_coman: since I need to get the work done on this, I reground the UDP lib and I'll proceed from there; asciilifeform, phf and anyone else interested, keccak-patches are on my Code Shelf as usual: http://ossasepia.com/reference-code-shelf/#selection-477.0-477.19 ☟︎
mod6: (I was just double checking here as to not waste time.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform after the girls saw http://trilema.com/2015/laile-ou-la-cuisse/ they identified sysco as the tricatel item, it's a constant butt of jokes.
mircea_popescu: gargauntuation day! << can't read that as simply "gargantuan" without "unction" squeezing its way in there. ewgh.
mircea_popescu: as the garudushu.jpg clearly proves.
mircea_popescu: the entire echafaudage of pantsuit is, in last examination, not so much an attempt to protect "the indolent from the active", nor (as separately seen), a guarantee to impotence for "ecology". but rather, jointly and singularly, pantsuitism is an attempt to protect the world from words.
mircea_popescu: but how far this goes is breathtaking -- consider, luminaries such as tlp, at the edges arguing exactly that, "words shouldn't have power" ie http://trilema.com/2015/that-unpleasant-moment-when-principles-you-were-supporting-strictly-because-of-the-principle-of-the-thing-and-pointedly-not-because-of-the-convenient-manner-in-which-they-worked-upon-a-restr/#selection-89.0-89.50
hanbot: pretty much. i can see contracts mapping to rights as mouthed by they with no conception of what rights mean neatly.
mircea_popescu: nciples (ie, words) over people themselves!!" as well as http://trilema.com/2017/the-practical-costs-of-hallucinated-freedom/ etc.
mircea_popescu: thinking about this... i guess this, THIS is actually the very substantial difference. "words shouldn't be able to break my bones", ie, have any effect AT ALL. "here i am, and here's the ass, and the hole in it ; it works as it works and what do you mean contracts ?" readily unites http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-23#1853128 with http://trilema.com/2014/the-definitive-tract-on-sociopathy/#selection-153.473-153.587 "abstract pri ☝︎
asciilifeform: unlike some folx (as late as '16 some confessed to git ) asciilifeform does not use heathen versiontrons internally, strictly 100% v from aug '15 ☟︎
mod6: mine does not do the graph-resolution as proposed by phf & esthlos.
phf: i just got aarch gnat operational yesterday, so i'll republish it as a single tree anyway, but as of right now i think only esthlos's v does the fancy graph resolution
BingoBoingo: Tonight I am checking and printing paperwork, tomorrow catching a bus and registering as an importer
BingoBoingo: things. For its part however DINAMA will not be collecting a fee for its part in registering the business of me as an importer exempt from producing a waste management plan.
diana_coman: as said above: it can certainly wait 24 hours and preserve history, what; and anyway, the tester part I see more as a branch only, because of the modifications required for testing purpose only (e.g. making the udp generic)
mircea_popescu: the things that end up discussed as a result of "wouldja publish proper tree so others can patch on it already"
asciilifeform: ( so long as also rename the seal )
mircea_popescu: not "to rename files". as time passes, regrinds happen ; nonsensical nym-bs won't carry.
asciilifeform: as is 9000 other items
diana_coman: I'm also not sure re naming convention for patches as I thought it was to use "_" ? i.e. why is the errata named udp_errata.asciilifeform?
Mocky: asciilifeform, reports are that cost of living there is in same ballpark as US UK, with the exception that housing prices continue drop as gulf states embargo continues