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phf: i get it

phf: i don't think i meant it in lj sense. i was thinking maldoror specifically, he said something like that in the first chapter

mircea_popescu: "i'm not at greater risk because i'm black, i'm at greater risk because your mother's a whore."

phf: i think that's the funny bit about roger whatshisname, he gets alienated from society and decides to become a scourge, but him and his definition of malice are so dull, it's like a parody of a gothic character

phf: as a gothic stance, "if society rejects me, i will now serve the utmost evil!"

thestringpuller: oh man i've been lied to my whole life! I still have my abstinence pledge too!

thestringpuller: oh i kno. unfortunately for america, it's "pop culture" like the sitcom now. teen pregnancies ain't just for black folk no mo'

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-26#1529630 << i confess the sufferances of young werther are always in my mind reading him. "why like this and not like that ?" ☝︎

thestringpuller: First: "Eighteen years, eighteen years / She got one of your kids, got you for eighteen years / I know somebody paying child support for one of his kids / His baby mama car and crib is bigger than his"

mircea_popescu: trinque ironically, for a long time in [the very repressive, and otherwise bizarre] austro-hungarian society, little girls thought they were castrated. literally, that ancient trick of "i stole your nose" that amuses 3yos ; they thought someone took their penis, which is why they don't look like boys.

thestringpuller: "I see the devolution of Western culture upon us because the males have been emasculated with a combination of societal enforcement of child support payments along with the absolute right of the female to divorce taking all the financial support while remaining promiscuous." << actually i have no idea what gender this person is, but makes great points.

shinohai: ok gimmie a bit to sign in, i never bothered to register it :/

mircea_popescu: i can't +V it otherwise

mircea_popescu: no i mean with nickserv

mircea_popescu: well, i imagine because chix

phf: particular transport. never the less when the conversation about current spec comes in you are eager to point out how spec is useless. it's a significant effort to drone you out long enough to actually attempt the implementation, and since in my experience attempting the implementation is a significant step in grokking, i think you repeating the same point over and over again actually lowers overall snr. ☟︎

phf: asciilifeform: going back to gossip conversation, my issue is that the gossip you talk about exists exclusively in your head, where's mp got a spec. there are aspects of gossip functionality that can be explored with current spec despite the underlying tcp transport. and like i said broken transport doesn't invalidate the application functionality. it will leak in practice through tcp shenanigans, but that's the nature of this

asciilifeform: a great many x11 proggies i use run on remote machines. and i have NO intention of partaking in the 'own one computer' horseshit.

asciilifeform: i.e. i have 0 interest in 'like x11 but without network pipe'

asciilifeform: phf: my published positions re x11 concern the machines ~i presently use~

phf: (i reread the log)

phf: asciilifeform: ok i misundestood your position in mcclim debate

phf: different kind of foundations, mcclim clx backend. he was saying lets replace it wholesale with a framebuffer renderer. i was arguing that it's better to cleanup clx first that'll make framebuffer renderer easier. i misunderstood your position then. i thought you were agreeing, but i suppose your position was that there's no point in replacing x with lesser alternative at all

asciilifeform: i dun even recall a debate. there was gabriel_laddel proposing to build hybrid of bulldog and rhino, 'lisp machine with linux', a mengelian atrocity with no future, because a foundation cannot be corrected any more than one can un-drop a baby.

asciilifeform: i am on same side as i've been since '07

asciilifeform: i do not regard it as minor.

asciilifeform: (and i will point out that i started on my concept long before mircea_popescu wrote it.) ☟︎

phf: that's also what i said

phf: yeah it's a shitty transport, that doesn't contradict anything i said though

a111: Logged on 2016-08-26 12:50 phf: it can be construed as trust if you don't anything beyond what i said, so i also said that there's no trust. of course that's only my interpretation and asciilifeform can provide his own

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-26#1529651 << ~tcp~ is evil, and i will kill it with my own hands. at least in the sense where i killed, e.g., git. ☝︎☟︎

phf: i don't think there's a solution to drowned in sibyl's in general. there's a cost to validating counterparty (which is continuous in case of gossipd, there's no "validate the ip, and then trust it" which is what i mean by "no trust in ip"), which can be exploited by attacker. ☟︎

Framedragger: ..however, it is possible to get drowned in sibyl nodes. but, i get your point.

phf: if i tell you "go to such and such place and then once you're there do another validation" you don't have to trust that "such and such place" is valid purely by being there

Framedragger: ..iirc one of the original ideas was to "pass around ip addresses" as things bound to some nick/identity; there is a trust component here; but i'm sure it's evolved since then, etc etc.

phf: it can be construed as trust if you don't anything beyond what i said, so i also said that there's no trust. of course that's only my interpretation and asciilifeform can provide his own ☟︎

Framedragger: i won't argue the point, sorry for any frustration caused. the thing i have in mind is probably not the "current spec" anyway!

a111: Logged on 2016-08-26 01:10 phf: adlai: i think gossip spec is fine, just nobody took it to release. asciilifeform has significant changes to the spec, but if you ignore those you can still build a working implementation. in fact, unless you're ascii, i think it's better to ignore further discussion and just stick to what mp wrote. i also think it's one of those ideas you don't want nailed down at protocol level. mine for example slings gpg packets

Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-26#1529496 << just curious - does the gossip spec as it is place any trust in ip addresses? this iirc was one of the points criticized by asciilifeform, i would think it to be a valid one. sorry if this, too, was extensively discussed in the logs. ☝︎

davout: my new address for those who'll want to visit http://i.imgur.com/fSyFNEM.jpg

BingoBoingo: I don't airport.

BingoBoingo: "I left around the beginning of August. This was my first time traveling alone, and I didn’t know what to expect. Father signed me up to have supervised travel assistance to help me along the way, otherwise I would get lost in the airport." << LOL Airport Special ED!

phf: i think it might be failing to pick up eulora specific assets

phf: it sort of works, http://glyf.org/tmp/eulora-2.png doesn't load any textures though. i'm going to push the update to the scripts, but i won't be able to look at it proper for another couple of weeks

BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> if mircea_popescu had written that rodgier ought to have ~been buggered~, or enslaved by arabs, or similar, i would have no dispute. but it is just as fantastic to posit schmuck going into pederasty willingly, as to picture him growing taller by effort of will << He probably would enthusiastically have embraced getting buggered if he was a level 70 chocolate elfhole while recieving buggery

phf: mircea_popescu: i misplaced my eulora account, can i get a password reset?

mircea_popescu: i dun exactly recall ; something about whining about very rodgeresque matters within earshot.

mircea_popescu: i told him to touch nothing and speak not a word lest i behead him ; girls wanted to know who's that and i said pay no mind whatsoever, i got a new dog.

mircea_popescu: and i did not say understudy ; i said dog.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i actually did that. they did ignore.

asciilifeform: (will, i am quite convinced, is an organ, no less so than memory)

asciilifeform: esp. considering that his most grotesque, as far as i can see , defect, was precisely atrophied will.

asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu had written that rodgier ought to have ~been buggered~, or enslaved by arabs, or similar, i would have no dispute. but it is just as fantastic to posit schmuck going into pederasty willingly, as to picture him growing taller by effort of will

mircea_popescu: now that i do not know.

asciilifeform: i am having problem picturing this.

mircea_popescu: not so. i don't believe he biologically had a complete set of mechanisms. there was nothign for him.

mircea_popescu: "you have diabethes. the cure is to stop eating sweets." "i'm not stopping eating sweets." "then you will die." "i prefer to die." "fine, but just for the record - stopping with the sweets STILL is the cure for diabethes."

mircea_popescu: i dunno ?

asciilifeform: so what am i missing

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i got a puzzler:

phf: i can put new urls into the build scripts and see if it still works (unlikely but who knows, if dev team hasn't touched build process might still be operational)

phf: mircea_popescu: oof, there aren't any. i've not updated the build scripts for the new version and it's not a "some pointers" kind of process

phf: that's what i had in my old bot implementation too

mircea_popescu: "this is what i mean by enthusiasm, bitch."

shinohai: there was an mp4 of that somewhere but i dnt remember

mircea_popescu: anyway, i guess i;ll just use a shitty fragment.

mircea_popescu: meh i'd rather gif.

shinohai: only one i know is flash mircea_popescu, at yer own risk

a111: Logged on 2016-08-26 01:15 mircea_popescu: back in the days trinque was called undata i made the point to him that merely because management is not apparent is a sign that management is extremely competent ; not an invitation to try and scare up some "management stone soup".

mircea_popescu: phf in practice, once tmsr-rsa is here, i'd expect to do exactly the "sling packets" thing

trinque: oh oh! I found the other thing.

trinque: I remember the conversation clearly, aside from *any* of the phrasing whatsoever :p

mircea_popescu: back in the days trinque was called undata i made the point to him that merely because management is not apparent is a sign that management is extremely competent ; not an invitation to try and scare up some "management stone soup". ☟︎

phf: i got bogged down in config files and other such minutia, but that's because i wrote it in c and i'm not yet at a level where i can produce elegant c solutions. i also used knuth's web, and since there aren't systems that support web/c syntax highlighting and indent the whole process was very much "grinding your own telescope lens by hand"

phf: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4880#page-13 (section 4.) over tcp. i have an incremental packet parser that you can attach to tcp stream and it'll give you packet-by-packet on the other end. that's probably not the right solution for going to war though

phf: adlai: i think gossip spec is fine, just nobody took it to release. asciilifeform has significant changes to the spec, but if you ignore those you can still build a working implementation. in fact, unless you're ascii, i think it's better to ignore further discussion and just stick to what mp wrote. i also think it's one of those ideas you don't want nailed down at protocol level. mine for example slings gpg packets ☟︎

mod6: Tell your brother I said this thing was cool.

shinohai: i like it

mod6: i heard they concluded some peace there just yesterday?

mod6: I'm currently working on the makefile(s) that will replace the build scripts etc. but there's some elbow grease to put in there.

mod6: this morning shinohai successfully tested the offline build script that i create (a slight varient from the original one).

mircea_popescu: i think it is past your bedtime, yes. come back fresh tomorrow. ☟︎

adlai: asciilifeform: again, i stand corrected. maybe it's past my bedtime, if mircea_popescu hears 'glee' in my keystrokes.

phf: asciilifeform: i'll look into it in an hour or so

mod6: <+trinque> adlai: I use it. << actually, this really was cool.

asciilifeform: adlai: i thought you were referring to my original v as 'reference'

mircea_popescu: i dun think so.

trinque: adlai: I use it.

asciilifeform: and i forget who else.

adlai: yeah i just corrected myself

asciilifeform: adlai: i can speak only for me.

adlai: mod6: reminds me of some article that tl;dred to "i should have procrastinated my phd for as long as possible, finishing it was a mistake"

mircea_popescu: "bitch... i'm not gonna pay more for her as she's older and dumber"

mod6: like this: "What the fuck is wrong with these people." << i mean right?

mircea_popescu: i thought at least re ratings it was obvious from original wot article.

adlai: trinque: i think you're describing an imaginary system that doesn't actually exist in any of the existing wotbots/

mircea_popescu: i was talking to him!

adlai: ok ok you're right, they twisted my toenails until i screamed my password

adlai: nah i just DIDN'T lose my key

asciilifeform: and here i thought this only 'happened' to old folks.