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mircea_popescu: gaming feeds have a different tube.
asciilifeform: incl. 'warcraft' films, whichever terrifying bonfires of bandwidth.
asciilifeform: speaking 'lolcats' generally, inclusive of these
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform youtube is not mostly lolcats. youtube is mostly male dweebs in a shitsty talking in an annoying voice way too close to the mic. and picking their nose "discreetely" while they nasalize.
asciilifeform: picture this, luser gets to load 500MB just for the asking, and sometimes without even asking ( background tab etc crapola )
mircea_popescu: it's not like "author of guillotine", but rather "the guy who came up with the trick of telling jews the gaschamber's for showering".
asciilifeform: it is worse than mircea_popescu likely fathoms; asciilifeform suspects that the bandwidth for lolcat watchers to watch the lolcats is 100% bezzle-powered, there does not exist anything like a +ev model for pushing video to all-comers
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i wouldn't dignify that shitshow with a mention, from the engineering pov. everyone involved i know of is deeply ashamed of their participation.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-10 18:50 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i can only admire the level of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-26#1829969 conspiraci : clueless girly logs on, it ~immediately~ resets its connection and launches a new one. 100% the cheapest most effectual confusion factor.
mircea_popescu: that's the whole fuckign thing. and it was a primary driver in the mind breakage of the 00s, and deeply related to practical issues such as http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-10#1833240 ☝︎
asciilifeform: right, but there's also a layer of obscene hacks to make the actual compressed frames ride somehow atop http etc.
mircea_popescu: in practical terms, "youtube video" is an url, like p.bvulpes.com/paste/<code>.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: does there actually exist a 'youtube video format' or do they use the 'html5' horror ?
asciilifeform: the schoolboy explanation, 'money went with ibm/microshit', dun hold water, xerox had ~infinite moneys, ditto texas instruments ( 1 of the largest semiconductor houses of its time ) , made 0 diff
asciilifeform: subj is perennially fascinating to asciilifeform , how all of the folx with actually promising ideas re comp, withered away and died in '80s, leaving crapple & microshit.
asciilifeform: in the '80s, sony (yes) tried to make a latex that natively writes to a screen. ('sony news' workstation). i dunno how well it worked, they got out of comp biznis..
mircea_popescu: contents, too, but that's a different discussion.
mircea_popescu: the sooner i don't have to hear pdf anymore the better.
asciilifeform: the obvious headache being , that there does not currently exist anything resembling a sane format that it could shit.
asciilifeform: at the very minimum, would need some way to actually use ( display, print ? ) the thing that it outputs.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: conceivably latex can be cured. iirc phf has a slow-burning march in that direction.
mircea_popescu: breaking latex out of the evil linux clutches may actually be a worthy thing.
asciilifeform: phf also documented some other corruptions of latex in recent decade, but the details currently escape me, iirc in the log somewhere
a111: Logged on 2018-07-11 20:47 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-11#1833462 << why though ? i can't for the life of me imagine how one's to have glyphs otherwise, for one thing, and honestly didn't it start out hygienic ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-11#1833483 << lulzily, it 'started hygienic' because outputted ancient oddball format, 'dvi', which was eaten by certain classic phototypesetters. but afaik the only way to display it on current linux is via conversion to postscript/pdf. which in turn pulls in liquishit. ☝︎
asciilifeform: on public-facing server tho ? nope
a111: Logged on 2018-07-11 20:43 mircea_popescu: though i recall asciilifeform making noises about using X on servers ? perhaps the only person who does, i dunno.
asciilifeform: ( iirc trinque originally built this for some very small vga-less box )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: plox to ping asciilifeform at your earliest , we gotta do a reset dance
a111: Logged on 2018-07-11 18:45 asciilifeform: ( prolly wouldn't hurt to put a '# of cpus' param in trinque's script itself, in the chroot-making step, would speed up the actual bringup of cuntoo boxen considerably )
a111: Logged on 2018-07-11 18:40 phf: i'm unconvinced there can be such a thing as hygienic latex, possibly there can be ghostscript if you pull out the pdf support (?)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-11#1833462 << why though ? i can't for the life of me imagine how one's to have glyphs otherwise, for one thing, and honestly didn't it start out hygienic ? ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-29 01:03 mircea_popescu: kanzure are you capable of standing up a bot which takes a link to a pdf and responds with a http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/hello/?raw=true link containing the contents ?
a111: Logged on 2018-07-11 18:39 asciilifeform: phf: afaik there does not currently exist anything like a hygienic latex or ghostscript recipe
mircea_popescu: though i recall asciilifeform making noises about using X on servers ? perhaps the only person who does, i dunno. ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-11 18:03 asciilifeform: trinque has : USE="libressl offensive -X -acl -bluetooth -consolekit -cups -dbus -iconv -nls -pulseaudio -systemd -wayland -xattr"
a111: Logged on 2018-07-11 18:02 asciilifeform: trinque: my current set : USE="-libnotify -consolekit -gtk3 -systemd -cups -dbus -gpm -avahi -gnome -tls-heartbeat -nls"
mircea_popescu: re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-11#1833446 / http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-11#1833449 it would seem the correct mezcla would go USE="libressl offensive -X -libnotify -avahi -acl -bluetooth -consolekit -cups -dbus -iconv -nls -avahi -pulseaudio -systemd -wayland -xattr -tls-heartbeat" on the expectation -X does -gpm -gtk3 -gnome implicitly. ☝︎☝︎
asciilifeform: box is 1) wedged on boot , at 'booting kernel' or some unknowable later point 2) i cannot reset it from here , will need interactive help from BingoBoingo , and not once but several times ( if permitted to boot into trinque's cuntoo, and no worky, needs reset )
mircea_popescu: from experience, girl-girl relationships have two states : miffed, or muffed.
asciilifeform: aaaand grrrrrr asciilifeform realizes that he neglected to remove trinque's 'console to serial port only' thing.
asciilifeform: (as it is, it is happening ~32x slower than could)
asciilifeform: ( prolly wouldn't hurt to put a '# of cpus' param in trinque's script itself, in the chroot-making step, would speed up the actual bringup of cuntoo boxen considerably ) ☟︎
asciilifeform: thing is still building various proggies , but oughta be ready later today.
diana_coman: and then I read next line, lol
asciilifeform: diana_coman: ban mask seems to already be in trinque's recipe ( i'ma add the missing flag ) ; make -j32 i will add.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, the ban mask and flags for using the 32 cpus of the box seem to me absolutely needed as a minimum; mind adding them ?
phf: i'm unconvinced there can be such a thing as hygienic latex, possibly there can be ghostscript if you pull out the pdf support (?) ☟︎
asciilifeform: phf: afaik there does not currently exist anything like a hygienic latex or ghostscript recipe ☟︎
phf: i think we might've discussed how all these utility libraries (particularly freedesktop ones) are the holes through which the darkness comes. poppler is one of them, a fork of venerable xpdf it is now everywhere where pdf manipulation is done, naturally with no way to turn of said manipulation when need be
phf: just curious, i'm trying to figure out where to draw the line on hairshirts. postscript pulls poppler for its pdf backend (so does latex, etc. but i'm not even going there)
asciilifeform: possibly on the oldest boxen, i'ma have to look
asciilifeform: phf: the ones with xorg -- yes
asciilifeform: i take back most of my whine. ( libnotify & gnome need to be on the ban list, they are very often pulled in by various, incl iirc firefox )
lobbesbot: trinque: Sent 39 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> (running from the ben_vulpes livecd stick) http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/HvavG/?raw=true << it bombs
asciilifeform: if diana_coman wants any of these things prior to delivery, plz to let asciilifeform know today !
asciilifeform: there's a coupla things obviously missing from the alpha cuntoo, e.g. my anti-poetteringolade ban mask, make flags for actually using the 32 cpus of the box, possibly other things. but i'ma let diana_coman add these at her leisure, box will be delivered with what is as close as possible to trinque's original item ( i'ma config the nic and that's it )
asciilifeform: ( thing is still humming along, building various proggies )
asciilifeform: for nao, i'ma go with what trinque gave.
asciilifeform: hobotrinque: so theoretically this should be fixable when we bolt on ave1's gcc as the initial binary, aha ?
hobotrinque: removing swap is totally fine by me. musl gcc-4 would not build on gcc-6
a111: Logged on 2017-12-23 09:27 trinque: does appear that when using the gentoo musltronic patches, the step from 6 -> 5 -> 4 gcc is necessary.
asciilifeform: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ZiuRv/?raw=true << whole thing, for reference, with the ..601 and removal of swappism being the only changes asciilifeform made
asciilifeform: ( not accident, but per trinque's script, chroot . emerge '=gcc-5.4.0-r4::musl' )
asciilifeform: seems to be going nao.
asciilifeform about to try with the portage...630 switched to the ...601 which is actually included
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: !Q later tell trinque (running from the ben_vulpes livecd stick) http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/HvavG/?raw=true << it bombs
asciilifeform: it also creates msdos-type disklabel, this will be problem later for boxes with large raid (caps at 2tb)
a111: Logged on 2018-04-29 13:50 asciilifeform: esthlos: imho absolutely not; i haven't built a linix box with swapping to disk enabled, in decade+ ( 'secure alloc' simply means 'marked unswappable' )
asciilifeform: i'ma fix this.
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: !Q later tell trinque out of curiosity, why does your cuntoo installer enable swapping ?
BingoBoingo: And title fixed
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: worx, ty
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ty
asciilifeform unable to proceed until this is fixed
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: seems like you did not plug the nic in on new s.mg ?!
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phf: stay tuned for further important contributions of to the conversation!
phf read that as "tities", was very confused
BingoBoingo: lol, this shit happens
mircea_popescu: i'm like leaving in a hurry and shit, but can't not stop and read that
mircea_popescu: gawd i fucking love BingoBoingo 's titles.
diana_coman: <asciilifeform> as i understand this will be the first field test outside of his bench. <- smg is an ice breaker of all sorts, what can I tell you
trinque: most of "will it boot" sits with the kernel config anyway
trinque: asciilifeform: pretty high degree of confidence in the build. oughta be exact same deps on your end as what I had on the workbench
diana_coman: yes; I suppose it would have helped to have in the list there the move form sha to keccak ☟︎
mircea_popescu: tbh, i tihnk what happened here was : original mpwp was sha, then hanbot reground it
diana_coman: I thought that was the old one?
a111: Logged on 2018-05-20 18:42 mod6: When you see it in the flow, then you should be good. Then you'll have to do : ./v.pl p v mpwp mp-wp_genesis.vpatch pd mpwp sd .mpwp-seals
asciilifeform: as i understand this will be the first field test outside of his bench.
diana_coman: right, good to know
asciilifeform: diana_coman: it's in the pipeline for this week. hopefully trinque's beta cuntoo actually worx. ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-05 17:59 diana_coman: asciilifeform, I get it: clone of dulap is pointless because it requires rotor-style which can be equally done on existing server; but we are talking of having a box with trinque's musltronic proto-cuntoo
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-05#1831973 -> asciilifeform any eta/status/update/something on this? ☝︎
diana_coman: hanbot, right, it's keccak hashes so ofc v.pl barfs although it's weird that it first presses so much of it and only then randomly throws up; at any rate, on different arch, phf's vpatch pressed the mp-wp genesis so at least the genesis itself seems all right
a111: Logged on 2018-07-11 03:49 esthlos: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-10#1833105 << fwiw phf, esthlos-v resolves the graph in the same manner as btcbase, and can press based at any node. of course, without checking the hashes, currently...
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-11#1833362 << oh i see, your flow command outputs an impossible ordering, but press-path gives a correct press order, so i was wrong, sorry about the fud ☝︎
ben_vulpes: ah, thanks trinque, figured i was s.o.l.