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mircea_popescu: the notion that you can fleece the sheep according to how much wool you "need" (calculated through a complicated abstraction designed to hide the arbitrarity, of course).
mircea_popescu: nah, the thing that sunk the last remnant of "america" in the 2000s was the "adjustable interest".
asciilifeform: rather than 'maxed cc and spent on whiskey'
mircea_popescu: hence all the nonsense that has, and will, blow up in their faces. "debt tranching, allowing you to remove the debtor entirely from consideration !!! " "does this actually work ?" "our gauss copula indicates that it definitely will work for as long as it does!"
asciilifeform: seems to me that modern mechanistic focus on the debt, rather than the ~debtor~, is intrinsic Wrong Thing
mircea_popescu: french cut down mercenary crossbowmen for the fault of having not provided them with dry storage for the tension element ?
asciilifeform: there's a ~bottomless pile of these
mircea_popescu: but do you recall the case of the misfortunate doria charge ?
asciilifeform: it is rather analogous to venice-credit, the cannoneer is spending the resource of another, and is at the mercy of 'creditor', who can decide to hang'im as traitor -- or not -- if the attack fails
mircea_popescu: outside of this country.
mircea_popescu: consider the matter properly : so girl has put capers! in pot of coffee. because can't tell the difference between cardamom or capers, or because too tired, or mischevious, or fucked in the head or you call it, whatever. here's now a nice old style pot (anyone besides me sill use these, btw ? the tronconic items ?) with over a liter of capercoffee made out of SEVEN heaped spoonfulls of the world's best coffee, irreproducible
asciilifeform: iirc it was mircea_popescu in an earlier thread who had analogy where 'lines of code are like ammunition issued to cannoneer , to spend with his best effort' or how did it go
asciilifeform: superficially it seems possible to cut apart 'i'ma build fleet of merchant ships and sail to venice' from konsoomer-credit . but i suspect there's a nonremovable 'exam taking' component.
mircea_popescu: and to bring it home, if anyone hanged every time something blew up unexpectedly i'd be sitting here in an otherwise empty #trilema-gallows bemoanign my sad fate.
mircea_popescu: just how much of an agent to make the principal in the principal-agent relationship is the problem. because obviously if the principal were an actual agent there'd be no agents.
mircea_popescu: let's set out the dilemma properly, for future readers. 1. if the creditor is not an agent, then why would he get anything ? i mean beyond the usg-istic / southparkian "aaaannd... it's gone" ? and 2. if the creditor is an agent, then why does the borrower carry all the responsibility ?
phf: asciilifeform: i believe it was a reference to earlier mention of three musketeers as a source of useful knowledge, rather than any particular plot element. at least i meant dumas as generally high adventure
mircea_popescu: phf this sounds great, and works fine for as long as you stick to pulp fiction (this ~particular~ narrowness of viewport is why dumas never counted as an important writer). try and step outside of the threemusketeering and see if it can still be meaningfully applied.
mircea_popescu: but the deep fundamental issue that greenspun ran into and bewails in http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/arsdigita-greenspun.html is exactly this : postmodernity is predicated on meaninglessness.
phf: asciilifeform: i think the alexander dumas notion of responsible credit is a reasonable thing, i.e. borrow from a handful of reasonably informed wealthy people from your town, deliver return on credit, otherwise "i'm ruined, going to hang myself, daughter to be weed to one of the creditors" etc.
mircea_popescu: on the other, the republic, attempting something rather in the vein of "the life among the meaningless is not worth living, so whether meaning-izing works or doesn't, it'll be done."
mircea_popescu: well, you'd have to evaluate things. that's the fundamental dispute here. on one hand, the pantsuit, "ourdemocracy", whatever, "progressivists" how oyu'd call them (they'd preferred to be called "modern man", with an implicit hint that the modern part is spurious and they've always been all there ever was etc), which holds a strict "nothing can be meaningful, like, ever" stance.
asciilifeform admits that it remains unclear to him whether a thing 'responsible credit' is even possible. perhaps the mohammedans have the right idea re credit.
asciilifeform: iirc there was a mircea_popescu essay re another orcistan, greece, where 'greece : i am a toilet, what did you expect when you put money into a toilet'
mircea_popescu: rather the problem is that you can't have "progress" and responsible credit. gotta pick one.
asciilifeform: there won't be demonstrative impalement of folx who lend to the uncreditworthy, because at this point the latter includes ~whole of anglostani empire
mircea_popescu: then and only then, and so on. the wonders of the police state rediscovered anew for each new crop of idiots.
asciilifeform: ( at least if usg is the creditor )
asciilifeform: ah this they still have
mircea_popescu: nah, as late as 1960 it meant "end of life" in that you became a nigger and had to sell ("voluntarily", heh) your suburban home
mircea_popescu: note how it was also the law of the land, even as late as 60s.
a111: Logged on 2014-12-08 19:04 asciilifeform: 'companies that go bankrupt are a danger to healthy competition. They are able to make their creditors and shareholders pay for their losses and bad management and then to start anew with assets that they essentially got for free, quite unlike the competition that has not gone bankrupt, who have to pay full price for their assets, but quite similar to how their customers have wanted their products, for too little money.'
mircea_popescu: they get the shareholder's house and "all the money" and move on to a new "cheif executive officer" set.
mircea_popescu: really, the civil code should be upgraded to include ~divorce~ for female companies.
mircea_popescu: you know, it's the height of unfairness that items like gawker have to be ~sold~.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/07/remains-of-gawker-media-back-on-the-sales-block/ << Qntra - Remains Of Gawker Media Back On The Sales Block
mircea_popescu: he contorts that ugly nigger face like it's propelling space ships.
mircea_popescu: willie dynamite is a great 70s flick btw. 100% of all "romantic comedies" acting and actors packed in one dude there/
asciilifeform: did we ever do 'carlists in spain' thread btw ?
mircea_popescu: but obviously, she'll either end it or turn it into a queendom, what the fuck CAN she do.
mircea_popescu: "what the fuck is a queen to do with a kingdom" is not contemplated here.
mircea_popescu: it's entirely ~male~ fantasy. give the queen the kingdom, maybe that way the messengers will stop streaming towards your location ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is why you know and how you know she didn't come up with it.
mircea_popescu: perhaps if "he gives her all the money" this could occur ?
mircea_popescu: the driver, in that later case, is transparently oedipian, "just make everything like it was before". (literally, he says this). and i suspect that's why this thing even exists -- one superlative realisation of the autistic boy's refusal of the world is re-entrance into the mother's cunt.
asciilifeform: the part that remains unclear, is for what exactly does a cow need money.
mircea_popescu: cated floor washer, and some others) says, at the peak ? "i want you to have all the money". what's rose say in http://trilema.com/2015/the-war-of-the-roses/ ? yep, that's right, "you should have all the money". originally started as a blacksploitation item (and here's our tie-in with "ubuntu, the african philosophy") -- what's willie dynamite say (to the fat, middle-aged "social worker", no less) ? "i want you to have all th
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this "give all the moneys" has been a particularly impacted bit of cuntfic for many years, btw. you know what the "dead master" (very much in the vein of http://trilema.com/2018/cu-cartile-pe-masa-un-fleac-l-au-ciuruit/ ) that they all crowd around in http://trilema.com/2014/the-private-lives-of-pippa-lee-or-what-happens-to-the-old-whore/ (monica belucci's suicidal character, and nobody-robin penn's utterly dedi
mircea_popescu: (amusingly enough, folks get all aggitated about "social security queens" etc, dun quite grasp that what's happening is quite exactly "son, $600 a head is the best i could manage to keep the cunt churning. you can do it cheaper, go right ahead, i didn't want to use barned wire.")
mircea_popescu: there's no need to even dress them. cows live in shit up to their udders on an antibiotic diet, that's where the overton window is, in this negotiation.
mircea_popescu: and for the rest... the http://trilema.com/2016/an-immodest-proposal/ beds, seriously.
mircea_popescu: the only problem is that the minority of women for whom their intellectual value exceeds their reproductive value, this collective bargaining is a miserable life
mircea_popescu: yes it's true that 100% of females being fertile, and indeed the species either reproduces or ends, it then follows that they could "organize" in the way of "labour organizing" and "demand" things.
mircea_popescu: i suppose not even such a bad tactial approach, for the stupid bulk of womanhood. hence why the whole http://trilema.com/2014/hey-stupid-women-we-need-to-talk-smart-women-dont-want-to-be-with-you-anymore/
mircea_popescu: ie, the female worldview : a) isn't she the goddess-ordained womb ? b) don't i need kids ? therefore c) i'd better give her all the moneys she says, what.
mircea_popescu: kinda reminds me of the http://trilema.com/2010/aventurile-zilei/#selection-49.0-49.1103 "expert"
asciilifeform: some folx never vex themselves with the q, evidently, of what's to like.
mircea_popescu: amusingly, apparently it also goes by the "i don't like anything about you!!!" name.
mircea_popescu: pretty sure when originally introduced the striking aspect of the woman was this orca-like quality ustardian females get, where the head seems fused to the neck and the mouth promises to open wide enough to take in a live veal.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It's an entire field. The hamplanets trying to appear as human sized is just one flavor.
mircea_popescu: long con open tender, because what's online for. ubuntu amirite.
mircea_popescu: quite. those are "shortish longcons", basically.
mircea_popescu: ie, she's going to try and get money ~before~ the flying in.
mircea_popescu: now, much in the vein of http://trilema.com/2013/a-deal-can-be-anything/ ; any interaction can be moved towards a long con. you simply take whatever the op says they want to happen, and use that as the misidrection point.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> a catfisher is a fat woman that tries to manipulate the camera angle and crop tools in post-edit to seem less fat. << That's a fatfisher one step more offensive than mere catfishing
mircea_popescu: this is what drives the length difference : unspecific can't last.
mircea_popescu: a long con misdirects the victim towards a specific point ; a short con misdirects the victim without a specific point.
mircea_popescu: your notions are poorly organized on the topic!
asciilifeform: y'know, the 'grifter', who befriends old pensioner crone and gets her to sign over her will etc
mircea_popescu: tell me, and underline the distinction from short con.
asciilifeform: sure. but i only know about the kind with money.
mircea_popescu: something to do with the habit of catfish to bury in mud.
asciilifeform: i guessed this much; but what's the 2nd step in their algo? say you fly'em in, then what.
mircea_popescu: but by extension, anyone who tries to lie visually online.
mircea_popescu: a catfisher is a fat woman that tries to manipulate the camera angle and crop tools in post-edit to seem less fat.
mircea_popescu: as you might expect, chick's way fat, way older than she claims, and cutting pics in the way of the catfisher.
mircea_popescu: aand in today's dose of manilla humour, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/bEMvL/?raw=true ☟︎
mircea_popescu: got under shields, was reportedly terrifying.
mircea_popescu: they adapted the falx for a siege weapon, but the original thing deployed against them / used by the dacians was a 2-3 m pole with a 30-60 cm blade cutting inside.
asciilifeform: i thought roman falx were a shorter thing
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform jp item not halberd variant. jp item ~falx~ variant, as in the dacian weapon. very practical according to romans, either, feared the future romanians like no one else.
asciilifeform: dunno, the jp variant reportedly vehehery practical.
asciilifeform: one time saw array of landsknecht gear in chicago , was impressed.
asciilifeform: and satisfying to look at, even, asciilifeform never passes up a chance to visit a museum along the way that displays'em.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform halberds you mean ? that's a particularly satisfying item to use. dunno if you ever held one, but it's a mainstay for purely meritous reasons. best weapon to stand guard with, for instance, it's satisfying in the way of warm tea.
mircea_popescu: apparently sanity is a ~behaviour~, dependent in actual expression upon the a) presence and b) understandment of proper, sanity-inducing tools.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-04 03:18 mircea_popescu: you know, you can write your whole thought in a single line, we do actually read long lines. no reason to break up your stuff.
asciilifeform: ( in the initial revv-up to the war, there were not enuff rifles to go around )
asciilifeform: relatedly, asciilifeform not long ago went to a museum, which, among other items, had... spears, and halbergs (!) from u.s. civil war.
a111: Logged on 2013-11-04 16:22 asciilifeform: to which the general replied - 'it wouldn't dare.'
mircea_popescu: original zulu were more in the vein of "machine gun ?! http://btcbase.org/log/2013-11-04#368213 ☝︎
asciilifeform: i suppose they live next to the replacement indians & co.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, but these are the replacement zulu, hallucinated by autistic white boys to porn up the girl next door in their own imagination.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-14 19:35 phf: madam blavatski and her followers did a lot of damage for years to come. it was literally in her writing that original meaning doesn't matter, as long as the translation sounds cool (there's a rationalization for why that somehow supposed to make sense)
asciilifeform: orig zulu had healthier expression of this 'shared', imho, with pointy sticks.
asciilifeform: and yes it will need to be trinqueized.
mircea_popescu: Ubuntu (Zulu pronunciation: [ùɓúntʼù]) is a Nguni Bantu term meaning "humanity". It is often translated as "I am because we are," and also "humanity towards others", but is often used in a more philosophical sense to mean "the belief in a universal bond of sharing that connects all humanity".")
mircea_popescu: (anyone ever looked into the deep piles of pantsuiticy surrounding that btw ? not just "Ubuntu - The leading operating system for PCs, IoT devices ..." on precisely 0% market share, but rather "Ubuntu philosophy - Wikipedia
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: asciilifeform's old kernel consists of hand-selected modules, corresponding to dulap-III irons, config can be seen here, http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/conf_current.conf ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-04-06 21:27 asciilifeform: but in that case it can be debated whether he is still using 'the same machine' as he bought, or a 'new', africanized one