asciilifeform: ( wasn't plugged in, but prolly worked, supposing the coolant is still in. 0 moving parts. )

asciilifeform: diana_coman: i saw one at museum, in timis

asciilifeform: 'envirowhinerism trinity : expensive, shoddy, deadly' (tm)(r)(uncle al)

asciilifeform: err, adsorption, not adiabatic ( the latter's a different bag of crackpottery )

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: there used to be this thing, mostly in orcistans ( 1950s su, ro, elsewhere ) where starvation-cheap fridge, no compressor, but driven by heat ( typically ammonia as working fluid ) , could even run off kitchen gas

asciilifeform: eh they're all 'quiet and cold' when new.

asciilifeform: how's the butane fridge treating ya, BingoBoingo ? do i need to include a flammable hydrocarbon sensor in next crate ?

asciilifeform: incaphilia, turns out, afflicts not only elderly greybeard profs. ☟︎

asciilifeform: anecdote : some time in 2004 or so, asciilifeform described , to a frustrated-with-lan-warez gurl, how proper p2p net might work, 'picture if each user only connects to folx he knows personally, and queries can hop if there's transitive trust', ~gossipd, etc , reaction : [horrified] 'omfg, like terrorist cells?! how couldyou!'

asciilifeform: 'maybe haven't found the right magnets yet!'

asciilifeform: ( in either case, naturally there will be found folx who keep right on trying and trying.. )

asciilifeform: there is not a techno-pill against the requirement of wot, just as there is not a system of magnets and pulleys that gets you a working perpetuum mobile.

asciilifeform: ( cuz they're, elementarily, not really 'private', they're ~allcomers typically )

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'private tracker' is really a step backwards, to the central-failure uni lan days. they live for a spell, then get killed/coopted/etc

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sorta where state-of-the-art got stuck, to present day.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: that ain't a tech failure, that's a meat failure.

asciilifeform: the much later, public 'p2p sharing nets' succumbed to wotlessness ( i.e. seeded with infinite fakes and crapola )

asciilifeform: aha. item however was an ultra-lowtech ad hoc thing, low-effort.

asciilifeform: right. but nowadays there's also bonsaikitten-students.

asciilifeform: at uni we had a p2p lan warez thing, that somebody cobbled together. lulzily , however, ~searching~ relied on a central point of failure, at any given time 1 or 2 particular boxes, and they would live for 2-3 months until some rat ratted'em, then cycle repeated.

asciilifeform: nowadays they've 'progressed', happily pay not merely per minute but monthly ~lease~ on ipnoje, to talk across a street (via packets, via london, etc)

asciilifeform: this was asciilifeform's 'intro course' to inca/star topology/etc.

asciilifeform: funnily related story, back when asciilifeform was a uni student, cellpnojeism was beginning to spread among plebelands, and asciilifeform noticed that folx were paying telco fiddycents/minute to talk over 1-2km ! so asciilifeform went, like naive idjit, to engineering profs, with 'p2p telephony' proposal thing, reaction was the exact sort of through-the-teeth laughter of today's bernstein re phuctor . ☟︎

asciilifeform: today all that remains of it , is http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-15#1825757 ☝︎

asciilifeform: afaik the 'fu, we'll make own internet, with hookers and blackjack, even if we gotta throw cables from window to window' thing had a brief life in usa, in '80s, then silently evaporated

asciilifeform: they put a 4u cisco thing in the basement somewhere and it replaces whole thing

asciilifeform: these are slowly getting the axe, 1 after another, most of the ( very solidly built, 2metre-thick walls etc ) exchange houses in usa, today largely empty

asciilifeform: ( copper telco exchanges are still , last i knew, stuck on nixon-era 'police tap box' , writes to... tape )

asciilifeform: ( it did not play well with 'put EVERYTHING through london' derpitude )

asciilifeform: sorta why they tightened the noose on old-school copper telecom.

asciilifeform: if you have the 'latest and greatest' faux-voice-over-fiber -- then invariably.

asciilifeform: it was, if you were calling local, you would go through 1 hop, local pbx.

asciilifeform: bbs -- in so far as it represented 'can talk without necessarily going through nsa backbone in london' -- was a greater loss than email.

asciilifeform: ( '3g' and newer , mostly not available in inexpensive chinese modems, because they are made for civilized world, where different bands and protocol are in use )

asciilifeform: '2g' , notably, is being phased out in usa, in many places ( and on most of the carriers) nao impossible to make a connection at all with these

asciilifeform: ( at one time asciilifeform bought a number of cellmodems, of various makes , bag of 'sims', and did experiment )

asciilifeform: tho asciilifeform was actually able to make 300 baud go , over '2g'

asciilifeform: funnily enuff, most usa zeks couldn't bbs today even if wanted to, the faux voicetel-over-fiber thing they have won't carry modem

asciilifeform: word 'privacy' in application to email, was always a stretch

asciilifeform: aha, but somehow managed to outlive the tard flood by almost decade.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: tbh i'm surprised that email lived as long as it did. it was exactly 'dodo bird', 0 defenses against predation at all.

asciilifeform: even http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-12#1833889 , is moar fun than talking to /dev/null . ☝︎

asciilifeform: well for starters they answer the fuckingmail, neh.

asciilifeform: i'm inclined to agree with mircea_popescu's item re the salvation of the drowning.

asciilifeform: the 1 remaining use case is reaching out to heathens who can't be pinged through anything else, but i haven't had any result worth half a shit with that in aeons , so that leaves just about nuffin

asciilifeform: i have a classical email box, complete with 'squirrelmail' etc, and pretty much only one i was able to have reliable 2way traffic with, was mircea_popescu -- back when he had a similar box

asciilifeform: gmail was a usg victory aol et al could only dream of, if you're stuck sending email today you're more or less stuck doing it from shitmail, or watch it silently vanish somewhere on the way.

asciilifeform: aa BingoBoingo , i dun expect to see a resurrection of email tho.

asciilifeform: ( formerly i banned it from phuctor, but after the db optimizations i let it live, shows up occasionally & crawls the broken keys, it dun create any particular problem to date )

asciilifeform: naturally. but thus far ~all google activity asciilifeform's observed is centered on port80

asciilifeform: lol! they also have shitnodes?!

asciilifeform: ( a surprising % of the moar outrageous prb & quasi-forkolade derps, are stingy, parked on aws )

asciilifeform: re iptables, asciilifeform's old 'ban all aws' trick worked wonders for asciilifeform .

asciilifeform: ( i vaguely suspect there exists even a 'herd immunity' of sorts, where aggressive trb helps other peers, of whatever config, stay in shape )

asciilifeform: but that was a while ago

asciilifeform: aha. ( imho a Trooly sane log oughta even have separate log, for : block # / time received / time verified & written to db / from where received )

asciilifeform: afaik it doesn't auto-timestamp tho, iirc ben_vulpes , trinque , and possibly others, use linux system log to 'cheat' and get timestamps from trb

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: he actually baked a patch, about same time as my aggression item, http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-December/000282.html