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alice_: i don't do christianity
alice_: i honestly can't tell if you're insulting me or complimenting me
BingoBoingo: <alice_> e.g. ML is a sharp, crystalline beauty, mostly useless for my direct purpose but v inspiring, 'cuz it's got several neat patterns that i don't see in most popular environments << "v inspiring" is a term of art here
alice_: asciilifeform: i am a young transhumanist-hopeful type. i've supported myself with programming before; currently i'm living off savings & spending time studying shit
alice_: i don't actually
asciilifeform: trinque: i have nfi what this is.
asciilifeform: 'i showed you mine, show me yours!'
trinque: well I already mentioned another
alice_: tell me about the thing you're confusing me with, i am curious
alice_: i haven't ever interacted with this channel before :(
mircea_popescu: mk, ima go to bed. if anyone wants to talk to me send tells, i'm not gonna be reading this log.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i think this was sent to us as gift from ze godz per this morning's thread.
alice_: i don't mind pressing s and d at the same time, myself
asciilifeform: if i have to press 2 keys, it is 2 keys long.
alice_: i added sd as a chord for ι because i do use ι frequently
alice_: i don't use α frequently
alice_: all chords i use frequently are one handed
asciilifeform: i know what is a chord.
asciilifeform: i cannot help but think of it now.
alice_: usually i run modems on vegetable oil
alice_: trinque: i don't like your face
alice_: i can do Normal Startup Coding Style if i want to, i just hate it so i don't when i don't have to
alice_: asciilifeform: ? like, if i paste the last several lines into it, i get \n -#'-:<>?LMX[\]-\_a-pr-zʳʷʸζᴱᴵᴼᴾ-ᵂᵉᵒᵖ-ᵘⁱ│
alice_: e.g. ML is a sharp, crystalline beauty, mostly useless for my direct purpose but v inspiring, 'cuz it's got several neat patterns that i don't see in most popular environments
alice_: asciilifeform: never used any of those. a fan of some of their patterns. i'm a fan of a lot of patterns i've seen in a lot of different existing programming environments.
ben_vulpes: and also, approximating his words "look with all the software problems they'd already delivered in the planes i wasn't about to impose more on the poor pilots during their studies. plus, opportunity to hose the suppliers."
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-07#1535582 << what am i looking at here? ☝︎
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i recall a month or so ago when this happened and they tried to blame it on the crew.
alice_: i take it back, your insults are annoying
alice_: i'm alice. i haven't interacted with this channel before. but i don't imagine that's the answer you're hoping for ☟︎
alice_: what do you mean, who am i?
mircea_popescu: i'm merely strict.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-07: [01:56:09] <asciilifeform> i could live the rest of my life without infix, quite happily.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-07: [01:06:18] <asciilifeform> 'Really, I think it’s too late for mainstream “Linux”. It’s gone. It’s done. Geeks of the world were easily fooled by a shiny new toy and a corporate propaganda campaign to match, without considering the engineering implications. You can still use a real (systemd-free) version of Linux, or move toward the BSDs, but if you stay with the
alice_: i am entertained :)
alice_: sort of, i think i misuse homoiconic
alice_: dsls i'm proud of
alice_: i don't think as easy without shit like x/2 and list[:-1]
alice_: i seriously tried lisp, i spent hundreds of hours coding in a variety of lisps, including clojure (ugh) and arc (lovely but it was for a production web server and it was completely unsuited to the purpose)
alice_: i haven't figured out how to scale them up to something as syntax-complicated as javascript but i've found 80/20s pretty useful for practical infixy needs
asciilifeform: i'ma meat for a spell.
asciilifeform: i could live the rest of my life without infix, quite happily.
alice_: i feel ick about nonhomoiconic *and* never-infix
boolcrap: i set the bar very low for myself
boolcrap: but I have learned from you well so
boolcrap: i finally got official access to the place i am a contractor for
asciilifeform: alice_: if i see a pattern, i write a macro and it vanishes.
alice_: i read http://www.loper-os.org/?p=401. it doesn't mention design patterns. i'm p sure i can guess correctly the bad thing it's complaining about, but i didn't get a model for how design patterns are a language bug
asciilifeform: i'ma read the thing anyway, because i am an 'entomologist'.
shinohai: Glad I could do my part to make it economically viable for you.
alice_: if i had a dollar every time somebody made that joke
asciilifeform: i see 'design patterns' as language bug.
asciilifeform: 'Christopher Alexander is Emeritus Professor of Architecture at the University of California, Berkeley, best known for his seminal works on architecture including A Pattern Language, Notes on the Synthesis of Form, and The Nature of Order, Volumes I-IV. He is the father of the Pattern Language movement in computer science, and A Pattern Language was perhaps the first complete book ever written in hypertext fashion.'
asciilifeform: can't say that i have.
alice_: hi! today i'm reading {The Timeless Way of Building}. i'm curious if you've read anything by Christopher Alexander
asciilifeform: 'Really, I think it’s too late for mainstream “Linux”. It’s gone. It’s done. Geeks of the world were easily fooled by a shiny new toy and a corporate propaganda campaign to match, without considering the engineering implications. You can still use a real (systemd-free) version of Linux, or move toward the BSDs, but if you stay with the easy-to-use, polished distros, you’re no longer really using Linux. You’re just fooli
asciilifeform: litism, simply put. The 1%. ... It’s much like politics – one wants to throw out the lot of them and start from scratch with real people. I know for a fact I don’t want either of these people working on security-related code in MY OS. Get lost, permanently!'
BingoBoingo: I am trying too
shinohai: trinque: thx I just always found it annoying griible required a ;;more when it all fits in 2 lines fine.
mircea_popescu: you know this "you are very welcome daddy" think keeps reminding me of this ... i don't recall, maybe a succession of sms captions ? where a clearly competent streetwalker (of the sort that lives on street most days, checks into motel now and again) was assuring some random dude that she doesn't mind his friend beating her up.
mircea_popescu: i dunno.
mircea_popescu: i gotta prototype sometime.
asciilifeform: example of an actual dead end that i had to explore the hard way.
mircea_popescu: if i know they take a month i just start a month early.
mircea_popescu: i literally do not care if preparing the signed copies of warrants for s.mg takes a minute or a month.
asciilifeform: i have not succeeded in coming up with a 6502 rsatron that manages to generate a key before the battery (of any reasonable size) and the owner's patience give way.
mircea_popescu: yes, there is. i just gave you a few.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i must point out that there is NO application where 'time does not matter'. for instance,
mircea_popescu: i dunno why the fuck this error is so common, but it dominates anglosphere. "white knight" = dude who is trying not to be a good dude, but to be the best chick he could possibly be.
asciilifeform: 'lisp doesn't need i/o' -- asciilifeform's brother
asciilifeform: well do you want a box with no i/o at all, or wat.
mircea_popescu: i dunno who authorized this approach of "try to symbolics-clone ibm at" ; but it wasn't me.
asciilifeform: i was able to make 10baseT ethernet meet timing spec without using xilinxisms
mircea_popescu: i already got my pc.
asciilifeform: and i actually have a board with that part on.
mod6: yeah, alright, i'll take a look.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it can use sram. which is what i've been playing with for past year or so.
asciilifeform: mod6: i have entire www dedicated to it.
a111: Logged on 2016-04-22 01:47 asciilifeform: i actually spent the first ~6 mo. after i bought the lisp machine, trying to rig up, with fpga, a mechanism to read the fucking disk
mircea_popescu: i suspect this might become a meme.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-05 14:52 deedbot: Framedragger rated scriba 3 << An instance of a bot I wrote and manage. I trust it with log history, but if it becomes sentient and starts asking for money, do beware.
asciilifeform: i will add that i have not succeeded in turning up any public record of what the vuln actually ~was~
asciilifeform: eh, i met a buncha these poor sods in the flesh
asciilifeform: i'd like to see the stuxnet-style non-fixing fix they pushed out.
asciilifeform: but i was speaking specifically re tropos.
mircea_popescu: eh, i'm sure there's something somewhere.
mircea_popescu: (feel free to drop a pgpgram when done, of course, i "won't be able to prove it's mine" etc.)
asciilifeform: if i knew to-what, i'd do it myself.
asciilifeform: i'ma bet it'll be 'pretend never happened', vs. hannoboeckization.
asciilifeform: (how i know this is left as exercise for the reader.0
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-02#1533632 << I stand corrected; no fucktardation is too idiotic to have been committed over, and over, and.. ☝︎
Framedragger: asciilifeform: ahh nice. (and now i recall you mentioning this before - some log memory in mind FINALLY ha)
trinque: asciilifeform: ftr yesterday my point was not lets rally around llvm; you'll notice I've been using nothing but sbcl lately.
mircea_popescu: i recently watched fracture, which has all the might of a. hopkins and all around decent acting + good screenplay. except, of course, produced by the same people who keep pushing the same old stakhanovist retardation, as in eg http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160906/from:35/to:35#35
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-06#1535099 << (probably on some superficial level) this reminded me of a film i recently watched at airport: "elena" (2011, zvyagintsev). it's a pretty good film (nothing extraordinary), i think, and i recommend it. i don't have a particular intuition but i suspect that elena's relationship to her husband may pique mircea_popescu's interest, and he'd have words about elena ☝︎
mircea_popescu: shall i quote the greek ?
trinque: well, I took CL so you'll have to in ada.
asciilifeform: lel, and i dun even yet have a bot!11111
asciilifeform: i will observe that, e.g., new york times front page, has 1,001 new faux-people every morning. whereas here we get 0. and so in principle the problem is tractable.
thestringpuller: This is how I imagine MP and ALF when talking in channel. Makes work less boring: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/02/Statler_and_Waldorf.jpg