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mircea_popescu: ah yeah. i wouldn't wanna go there.
framedr_ghetto: mircea_popescu: glasgow. eh, i'll be outta here this month next year, i think. weather and, you know, the whole wanna-be-empire-failed-island thing..
mircea_popescu: well at least now i know who to talk to if i ever want real estate in where was this again ?
framedr_ghetto: i'm on a guest network with no access to server. i don't know why scriba is acting up. shall be investigated tomorrow but not before
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160917/#958 << lol i hope you enjoyed it.
mircea_popescu: so i guess that's ANOTHER F for adlai ; to celebrate his first day back to "all day ircing". ☟︎
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160917/#588 << they're just inept. crazy discusses the subjective reflection of reality ; not much else. can die as perfectly sane inept losers. the quoted south african ( http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1500956 ) is a fine example of such. you can equally well be insane, a la arthur blair. "oh, i am an english socialist, though socialsm is necessarily the end of being english, and i'm aware of t ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-09-17 06:23 adlai: i don't think that an ~animal~ which avoids starvation, dehydration, ostracism, and greivous bodily harm, can be counted crazy
asciilifeform: aaah now i gotta go and buy new gas mask canister, lel, bbl.
mircea_popescu: just as well could say "and when i was three i put toddling things aside and took my place as king of the walking"
asciilifeform: hey i said 'learns' not 'taught'
a111: Logged on 2016-09-17 06:14 adlai: that's a tricky claim. i've taken much, much, much larger doses than the ones that (indirectly!) led to the aforementioned bad situations. i think YGFS50 depends much more on "set and setting" than on a molecule's shape and headcount
a111: Logged on 2016-09-17 06:11 ben_vulpes: i'm going to go out on a limb and doubt that there's enough data even on variation in human sensitivity to drugs much less by class and genotype to even be making claims about "LD50"
a111: Logged on 2016-09-17 06:11 adlai: the more nuanced answer recognizes that i was hospitalized as a direct result of an argument, which would not have happened if i'd left the house with a sweater that morning. so... don't forget to bring a towel?
a111: Logged on 2016-09-17 05:56 adlai: what's with all the shitty drugs? i step away from irc-every-day for a couple months, suddenly everybody's fiending alcohol, tobacco, and firearms^H^H^Hcaffeine?
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160917/#532 << i was dry until about halfway through the log, at which point went and poured myself some cognac. this stuff promotes drunkedness, tis clear.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-17 05:51 phf: i'll bring it back probably tonight. i've got tea pot, i've got hookah, i've got a fuck you to "no smoking in building" complaints
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160917/#530 << motherfucker. one day i'm going to find the lame dumbass who told bored middleaged women they have any business involving themselves in the political process and feed him to baby turtles.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-17 05:24 phf: one of the reasons i went with cmucl originally is because it has known tight memory behavior and sbcl dev equally famous stance that "memory is cheap", which, for the case of keeping log in memory, was discouraging
a111: Logged on 2016-09-17 05:14 adlai: more stuff i never learned in school: tanA + tanB + tanC = tanA * tanB * tanC
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160917/#518 << i dunno what school you went to ; but think about the geometric meaning of tan for a second.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-17 04:59 covertress: i reject your reality, and submit my own
a111: Logged on 2016-09-17 04:43 covertress: mircea_pepescu: i had wished to convey Patrick's offer to represent you against the EF.
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160917/#402 << i have nfi who "patrick" is, but if it's that douchebag murck involved with the vesseness "bitcoin foundation" scam, he has a lot bigger problems than idly posturing around ethereum's corpse/propellerhat
a111: Logged on 2016-09-17 04:45 adlai: i thought the EFF was suing mircea_popescu
a111: Logged on 2016-08-12 23:24 mircea_popescu: get in touch when you're here, i'll send someone to pick you up or such covertress .
asciilifeform: remember, remember, the nth of shitember, the deathray treason and plot! i know of no reason, why deathray treason, should ever be forgot!11111111
a111: Logged on 2016-09-17 04:40 covertress: mircea_popescu: i regret to inform you that i will not be attending our dinner 26-Sept
asciilifeform: but apparently i have nfi 'HOW WORLD WORX' etc.
asciilifeform: i thought #1 rule of 'unhappening' an event was to ~stop prattling on about it~
mircea_popescu: anyway. i guess unintentionally the problem with pictographics ("it hides things from you! they came bite you in ass latere!") was yet again, for the uncountablyest time, shown in all its nude glory.
asciilifeform: in re the chickens, i cannot disagree, they are clucking not so far from where i sit, at the local 'university'
asciilifeform: one of these days i'd like to learn who rotted j. c. maxwell's brain, and with what
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160917/#348 << it's entirely unclear to me why you think the hieroglyph is noteworthy. sure, in the context of "let's draw hyeroglyphs", it's as good as many other alternatives. in the context of "let's describe basic trigonometry", it's not particularly useful. and you'll realise this the moment you break out of tedtalktardism "i'll rely on the margins of the box as drawn by magic hand for absolut
asciilifeform: (active ingredient in, e.g., 'naval jelly', which i dare say works better)
a111: Logged on 2016-09-17 04:18 ben_vulpes: just two weekends ago i had to excise some rust-welded nuts that didn't have clearance for a socket wrench.
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160917/#308 << i thought we had this encrypted-drive vs encrypted-file megatheread, but anyway. the notion of an encrypted ~container~ is fundamentally braindamaged. stick to encrypting items.
phf: i can just leave this on, until his bot is operational
asciilifeform: now switching from the depressive tack, to the crackpot track, i ~did~ get high speed uart going on one of those all-in-one amd64 boxes. ☟︎
phf: all that analogy did for me is that every time i think asciilifeform, i remember the fucking spittoon
asciilifeform: to the point that i have nfi even if the linked driver runs at all.
phf: you're saying it's straight up impossible (or approaching that) to get, say, movitz doing networking on real hardware hardware, and i'm calling shenanigans
asciilifeform: and if your answer is 'buy another one' i'm all ears
phf: why would i even entertain that thought, it should be quiet clear at this point that i've at no point suggested or plan to use C in a lisp os
phf: ok, but nobody here thinks that, the whole point i'm trying to make is that there are ways to overcome the ennui to do what needs to be done
asciilifeform: working with the 8168 woke me up to the fact that i was wrong when naively thought that hardware were still made by sane folk
asciilifeform: again, this isn't a case of 'it'll be a 10baseT until i get around to X', it's a case of 'init or go cry'
asciilifeform: at any rate, i would have implemented a 10baseT nic driver, IF ANYONE COULD SOURCE THE FUCKING CHIP
phf: i'm not convinced that this is not the case of "mp's t40 is too old and slow"
asciilifeform: ^ does not successfully run any example of the actual chip i was able to get my hands on.
asciilifeform: oh did i mention that i surveyed other folks' attempts, e.g., https://github.com/ReturnInfinity/BareMetal-OS/blob/master/os/drivers/net/rtl8169.asm
phf: i've had on linux nic drivers before and in 2005 or so not all of them were 20k+ lines that's for sure
asciilifeform: i had ~all the extant ones brought in (this was a commercial project) and obtained data sheets, etc.
phf: until i can get ~that~ to work rather. then i wouldn't be as pressed to get r8168 working or bust
phf: why would i think that? i'd probably go to a lesser N/s target until i can get it to work
asciilifeform: oh did i mention that the pci bus has to be correctly set up also ?
asciilifeform: i suspect that NO ONE has ever drivered this thing from scratch. not the winblows folks, either.
asciilifeform: and evidently i kept missing some detail.
asciilifeform: i actually sat for 6 months or so and reimplemented this thing in asm
asciilifeform: i hunted for years and found what imho is the simplest GB/s-capable nic, the rt8168. here is the linux driver, https://github.com/mtorromeo/r8168/tree/master/src ☟︎
asciilifeform: i'm not convinced.
phf: if i were to bootstrap a lisp os from nothingness, i'd just save-lisp over network (or to a drive, depending on which one i figure out how to do first) every once in a while, and yes it's eww and completely suboptimal, but it'll be enough for me for a "i can do practical shit with this system"
asciilifeform: i worked at a rupturefarm once where we made a massive cluster of diskless boxen.
asciilifeform: (i.e. sans proprietary turds)
phf: fwiw i went through the same exercise, and on account of being less of a depressive came out with different attitude
mircea_popescu: hey, i'm not saying you're bad
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: a good chunk of what i've done here since showing up is to try and fill in the gaps in the 'pioneer with arrows in his back' part of my www.
mircea_popescu: ng alternative I encountered explicit block N which etc.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i was looking for something stictly in the following formula : as part of trying to execute subset X of task Y part of recognizable-primitive Z because so-and so, i came to the method k for theoretical reasons t1 throiugh tn ; attempting to implement it i encountered situation Q even through this makes no sense ; trying to adapt it i encountered exception Q.e1 which is contrary to design philosophy, and attempti
asciilifeform: i have the dead trees, they fill most of a shelf.
asciilifeform: yes. and it made sense to me in '07. but not in '10 when i understood how the actual extant pc iron works. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform also not what i meant.
phf: mircea_popescu: i missed the point
mircea_popescu: phf this is not at all waht i meant.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: believe or not, i thought of this.
phf: but yes, cmucl in this channel started because i was thinking of porting it to hardware. it's obviously what every lisper wants/tries to at some point. in order to achieve it though, i kind of have to read and grok and read again the code the cmucl code, which is what i've been doing..
phf: asciilifeform: i suspect mp mean's "read it in c and write in your own language"
mircea_popescu: and i don't propose use c code whatsoever.
mircea_popescu: what can i tell ye.
asciilifeform: but mircea_popescu has it, the sane approach involves 0 c and 0 unix, and i came to this conclusion in '07.
phf: asciilifeform: that wasn't a challenge, i was just disappointed
phf: asciilifeform: oh, i thought for some reason they had civilized VOPs and such
phf: well, only in a sense that it's written for it? i'm not sure married is the right word
phf: i'm not sure mezzano boots on native hardware, movitz i did boot, and it's basically what you would expect out of DOS
phf: i think one could take either of those and turn them into real systems, the way we did with trb, but it's the same class of work
mircea_popescu: i mean, is there some fundamental reason such can't be written ? that's a problem. otherwise...
mircea_popescu: i can't parse that. say again ?
phf: the linux approach actually's been done twice, i.e. write something shitty, but it boots and then improve it until it's somewhat ok. there's https://common-lisp.net/project/movitz/ and https://github.com/froggey/Mezzano
a111: Logged on 2016-09-17 05:58 adlai is incidentally now sober for the longest he's been in weeks - and he has a loaded vape within arm's reach - so i'd say step one is not that relevant >> http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160826/#219
asciilifeform: i blew years on it and then realized that the hardware is shit .
mircea_popescu: linux happened in a few years, need i remind you, and those were earlier, drier years.
mircea_popescu: now, x86 i can already buy, which of tll, lelnel don't exist and what's the excuse.
mircea_popescu: i am not running it on a linux system.
mircea_popescu: well i don't see any c/linux/dos/etc in here ?
phf: i mean do you start it from inside a linux?
mircea_popescu: i am trying to run it on an x86.
mircea_popescu: so then ? i didn't import any linux anything.
phf: i did
asciilifeform: i'ma let phf finish before i return to the iron bit.
mircea_popescu: phf i'm not so sure that's what i said though.