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gabriel_laddel: dood whatever, I'm running this example between two masamune machines and adding it to the masamune manual.
gabriel_laddel: how am I to know what documentation is or is not valid on various UNIXen, bsds etc
mircea_popescu: well, i think ~all unixen reset their cunt the same way.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how am i to know what it is on his box.
mircea_popescu: i'm sure a lot can be done to bleed the computer socialism from inside.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i maintain a delousing spray strictly.
gabriel_laddel: phf: either I cannot read, or the man pages are inadequate.
mircea_popescu: i would expect it's in the official republican gentoo package ?
gabriel_laddel: trinque: this is where ALL of my time gets wasted. Trying to figure out what fking flag to send some unix BS that should be clearly documented for THE MACHINE I AM WORKING ON.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: i just tested the thing i pasted from my notes, on the box i'm presently sitting at, and it did not work. but this latter one - did.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: with the example you've provided I send the "foo" string and nothing occurs on the other side. If I remove the "-u" option from nc, (UNKNOWN) [10.0.0.20] 8002 (?) : Connection refused
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform good point. i moved all the topic links in there.
asciilifeform: if gabriel_laddel recently uploaded a commonlisp that doesn't behave like a retarded child when, e.g., socket shits itself 10,000time/sec, i must've missed..?
gabriel_laddel: I'm up to date on the logs, and respectfully disagree.
trinque: this "the system is icky and I will only learn enough about it to infect it with my own" is precisely the mentality that has *kept* lisp coders as refugees in foreign operating systems.
gabriel_laddel: trinque: idk what basics I'd be studying?
gabriel_laddel: trinque: I can easily connect one lisp to another over wifi, but want to force it over an ethernet cable
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: i'm fresh out of telekinesis pills, cannot debug your nic...
gabriel_laddel: I'm perfectly happy to use a lisp socket, but if I can't do it via netcat, I don't think it'll work via lisp
trinque: I don't see how shelling out is superior
asciilifeform: trinque: i'm assuming he doesn't want to use a library, hence the netcat
gabriel_laddel: (does not have to be netcat, happy to use anything so long as I can eventually migrate it into my lisp process)
gabriel_laddel: If anyone knows the netcat command that would do this, I'm all ears.
gabriel_laddel: I have two machines connected by an ethernet cable that can ping one another after I setup ip addresses on them via "ip ad add 10.0.0.10/24 dev eth0" and "ip ad add 10.0.0.20/24".
shinohai: But I'll do 2-3 more throughout the day, letcha know results later.
mod6: I'll conduct a bunch more testing tonight. I think this one looks a lot better with just having one 'deps' dir.
mircea_popescu: i will say however this "rezistenta prin cultura" / "socialist states can be bled from the inside, too" is exclusively for the very strong, ie powerful, ie dudes with own arsenal and harem. it's self-delusion, and of the worst sort, to think vulnerable young male could accomplish or should attempt such wonder.
mircea_popescu: but my dear man, how would i recommend ~for you~ ?
adlai: my memory is insufficiently content-addressable to locate the exact article but i'm quite sure it's trilema
adlai: out of curiosity, where would you recommend going, once i accumulate the means to do so on my own terms? you don't seem too pleased with your homeland or your current abode
mircea_popescu: well sure, i'm not specifically interested in the execution as a matter of detail.
adlai: ok i see, by 'sticking around', and 'left', you mean leaving the country?
mircea_popescu: but as i don't figure you much for the "bitch, you will clean my boots or wear a new kippah anchor point, right in your fucking forehead" type, i'd have expected you'd just left.
adlai: maybe i'll put up a bigger fight next time, although i'd rather pick smarter fights.
adlai: and... i don't think every single conflict situation warrants a declaration of war. sometimes you need to fight, but sometimes you need to regroup first.
adlai: it seemed like less effort to go through whatever process they wanted. i didn't realize at the start that it would last more than a couple days / week.
mircea_popescu: what, is it helplessnes, "oh i could never get away" ?
adlai: aha. well, honestly i thought at the time that i'd just stormed out permanently, only found out hours later that i'd been turned into a fugitive
mircea_popescu: adlai what i mean is, if that happened to me, i'd have simply left. permanently.
mircea_popescu: would you reference logs like sane people ? i'm not going to grep for the sake of extracting context for your lines.
adlai: mircea_popescu: "justify sticking around"? i'm not sure i understand what you're asking
ben_vulpes: i go for camo and not being noticed these days.
ben_vulpes: i remember trying to make a point to a man who wanted to lock me up.
adlai: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-17#1544387 << nothing near as exciting, i knocked an office toy (magnetic paperclip people) off a doctor's desk while proving a point, which in his book counted as "violence!!!"; then i left the meeting, because they were wasting my time. sufficient cause, in this wonderful medical system, for an involuntary commitment. as one friend interpreted: "pissed off the wrong people" ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-09-17 20:13 mircea_popescu: so i guess that's ANOTHER F for adlai ; to celebrate his first day back to "all day ircing".
adlai: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-17#1544441 << that's a very short day! also, the 2nd F doesn't make much sense, i was pointing something out to phf specifically. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: i do.
mircea_popescu: and in other news, a proper postmortem piece re "I attribute a large part of my abject failure to stuff cubicles with commodity labor and churn out software all day long to how willing" when ?
ben_vulpes: http://www.wrightspeed.com/technology << perhaps not the dumbest thing i've seen!
phf: there was a scifi story where a ship landed on a planet, lush, beautiful, with a cow like creatures inhabiting it. so they taste the cow meat, and they hang out, until, and i'll spoil it for you, they all turn, one by one, into same case
makotako: Nope, I never introduced myself.
mircea_popescu: i mean again as in you should have started with that ; and i'm giving you the benefit of the doubt pretending like you did and i didn't notice.
shinohai: i dunno
shinohai: BingoBoingo while I'm in here this evening, you want a oglafbot added ?
phf: also sop is to ask for a pm from anyone who's speaking (i.e. awake and at keyboard) at the moment
a111: Logged on 2016-09-16 19:47 pete_dushenski: 'I was dead-set on finding a house with a garbage disposal, or "garburator" as our sorry ("Sorry!") neighbors to the North call them,' << l0l! love the souble dorry. also, i've never lived in a house or condo with a garburator and may never.
yr: well, I'm going to lurk for a while -- is there another way to flag you down besides pm?
phf: anyway, i should probably write the first version up, while it's a lul between attempts
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, i understand the dream. just pointing out that it didn't work once before.
phf: so i use it to put a patch description, but if the section has ^L\n( or ^L\n; then i just execute everything between ^L and diff ... after the patch has been applied
mircea_popescu: phf maybe im just behind the times. for all i know they use javascript internally all over blizzard now, whatevs.
phf: ben_vulpes: actually right now i'm heathen-ing it, by using quicklisp too. problem is btcbase depends on 35 different projects (like hunchentoot pulls 8 deps, cl-irc 2, etc.) so cmucl version i had all 35 hand patched to various degrees. the right way seems to be giving all those project the v treatment: pull them in, strip them of fluff, genesis, etc.
phf: yes, scp, screen, asdf. i had a v based deployment but i wasn't happy with it, so i'm trying to rethink it ☟︎
phf: oh i thought they use lua for mainloops, but actually i'm not sure. it might just be all scripting. one "fast" lua project that i know, which is luke gorrie's "snabb switch", uses luajit though
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-18: [18:14:14] <asciilifeform> i actually considered all of this in '07 but rejected because 'idiots will patch it to do jit and bring back all of the evils'
mircea_popescu: i mean because "don't do this, don't use it there, don't do this way". in any game there are parts you could do in fucking xml. that you write those in lua, or lisp, or anything does not make the anytihng "fast enough for gaming", much like the 14yo doing the parts of "slut" that don't include fucking doesn't make the 14yo "old enough for sex"
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-18: [18:02:22] <phf> i think main line lua is that way, very tight interpreter, and i guess it's fast enough for gaming (tm)(c)
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-18: [18:00:04] <asciilifeform> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-18#1544569 << i've been toying with the notion of 0 compiler
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-18: [17:55:52] <phf> back when i knew the guy, i had a plan to stay in his house for a couple of weeks, wean him off his meds and depending on how that goes, give him acid to poke at his brain. he had some odd blindspots in his thinking that i wasn't sure if they were result of medication, or inherent. somehow multiple people were all up in arms against my plan, so i will never
phf: (i turned off a111 for mkj)
yr: where can I read about the real bitcoin foundation?
yr: I wasn't aware there was more than one
BingoBoingo: yr: I don't know you well enough to PM, so now you have voice!
yr: I'm sorry BingoBoingo, I pm'd you
mircea_popescu: i don't trust an us educated psychiatrist anymore than i'd trust a shaman orthopedist.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-18: [17:51:09] <phf> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-17#1544418 << i thought psychosis was pretty common with bipolar, during the manic or depressive phases. at least in usg they prescribe antipsychotics to bipolars, though i'm not sure if that's always the case. supposedly you can take them on their own, because they have mood stabilizing effects
a111: Logged on 2016-09-18 17:51 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-17#1544418 << i thought psychosis was pretty common with bipolar, during the manic or depressive phases. at least in usg they prescribe antipsychotics to bipolars, though i'm not sure if that's always the case. supposedly you can take them on their own, because they have mood stabilizing effects
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-18: [17:24:27] <phf> the advantage of something like a vop in general, is that you can emit part of the assembly that you're trying to get working in isolation first, can emit it and call in realtime (i.e. in a repl), can have multiple versions of until you get it right, etc.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-18 17:24 phf: the advantage of something like a vop in general, is that you can emit part of the assembly that you're trying to get working in isolation first, can emit it and call in realtime (i.e. in a repl), can have multiple versions of until you get it right, etc.
mircea_popescu: i kinda like these because they're so ambiguous.
asciilifeform: i actually considered all of this in '07 but rejected because 'idiots will patch it to do jit and bring back all of the evils'
asciilifeform: and phf: i think you misunderstand - no 'subset but without escape hatch' or whatnot. just pure interpreter.
asciilifeform: dunno, i think i went 'full chuck moore' a decade ago?
phf: oh right, and i called it a year ago, asciilifeform has gone full chuck moore :p
phf: i guess the trickiest part then is the "x86-aware liquishit", which is enough assembly subset to make it useful, but not enough to construct an escape hatch
phf: i think main line lua is that way, very tight interpreter, and i guess it's fast enough for gaming (tm)(c)
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-18#1544569 << i've been toying with the notion of 0 compiler ☝︎
phf: back when i knew the guy, i had a plan to stay in his house for a couple of weeks, wean him off his meds and depending on how that goes, give him acid to poke at his brain. he had some odd blindspots in his thinking that i wasn't sure if they were result of medication, or inherent. somehow multiple people were all up in arms against my plan, so i will never know..
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-17#1544418 << i thought psychosis was pretty common with bipolar, during the manic or depressive phases. at least in usg they prescribe antipsychotics to bipolars, though i'm not sure if that's always the case. supposedly you can take them on their own, because they have mood stabilizing effects ☝︎
phf: the advantage of something like a vop in general, is that you can emit part of the assembly that you're trying to get working in isolation first, can emit it and call in realtime (i.e. in a repl), can have multiple versions of until you get it right, etc.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-11 00:43 mircea_popescu: honestly, i think the people who abstract-and-code are idiots anyway. first, you do it by hand. then, you automate what you did. this way a) end up with something that actually works, and even without much design skill is well designed, by mother nature's help ; b) avoiud the trap of "i spent five engineer hours to save myself thirty three minutes of secretarial work over the course of ten years."
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-17#1544485 << it was a knee jerk http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-11#1539368 on my part. i was thinking why not write and use own high level assembly emitter, but thinking about it it would not have improved discoverability, because the task was all or nothing anyway ☝︎☝︎
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-17#1544461 << i already had it implemented for xref, so just needed to comment out (not (annotation-back-link-mkj-p annotation)) in the right place ☝︎
shinohai: I'll gladly pay you next Tuesday for a kilo of blow today!
BingoBoingo: Oh shit, I forgot to bring a cake!
asciilifeform: i got nuffin'
asciilifeform: ahahaha lamport is idiot and i'm d'artagnan lolk.
mircea_popescu: "Responding to an email message is a simple operation with a simple mathematical description." ok, i'm out. fuckhead has not the first inkling as to what he's talking about.
framedr_ghetto: btw if (tm)(r) is being used to denote those "trademark" signs (and not tmsr), it may be noted that (tm) is for an uregistered trademark and (r) is for a registered one. but i guess the reflexive-ironical use of these makes it fine :p
mircea_popescu: oddly, i know lots of people in a1, but none of them plan to stay