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ben_vulpes: more accurately it's cash + tangibles, and various fiats are tangible assets.
mod6: Anyway, take your time, I'm gonna keep going here.
mod6: For my notes, could we say, in general, that to get to this month-end cash asset number, you take the BTC amount on-hand + USD value in BTC + UYU value in BTC?
mod6: (im adding that in, because even though it was paid on 8/3 it belongs in the July statement - as you have also listed it in the BTC Incoming/Outgoing table.
mod6: the 0.22505299 wasn't included there, lemme try again
mod6: So the nubmber im using '6.14882560' is from my ledger after Mr. Popescu paid the S.MG UY3
ben_vulpes: mod6: you may want to check your account history, BingoBoingo is also sitting on 0.2 of pizarro's btc
mod6: im using your UYU value actually. (i'm only pointing out the differences, not using them in the calcs)
mod6: ben_vulpes: gotcha. any idea what number you used? This should go into my notes so I know to record the UYU/USD exchange rate at the time of the setting of the monthly price point. ☟︎
ben_vulpes: check to see if it's the difference between our btc values of uyu
mod6: So we're close here, but not quite to the 6.48908190 that is in the table
ben_vulpes: mod6: the UYU book value will indeed fluctuate based on what number you use for the usd/uyu exchange rate
mod6: Here's what I come up with on my own, would be the Sum of the BTC on hand (in mod6's deebot account, minus the 0.08479669 that was in there previously to pizarro's BTC deposit), plus the BTC book value of the USD, and the BTC book value of the UYU:
mod6: Ok, first question on this part is how we got to the 7/31/2018 (end of july) cash amount of: 6.48908190
mod6: Ok now actually moving on to Pizarro Assets table.
mod6: Ok we're not getting the same sum of the tangible book values, did I add something in that I wasn't supposed to?
mod6: Before I do that, I forgot to sum the values in the book value column in the Tangibles table
mod6: Ok moving on to the Pizarro Assets table
mod6: ^ Full month depreciation would be this.
mod6: This make sense for book value after prorated depreciation (fist number). Second number is the prorated depreciation.
mod6: My only other question on the Tangibles table is that UY3 was not depreciated, even though it was in service for 19 days. Should there be some sort of prorated depreciation on this?
mircea_popescu is off to the beach, ttys!
mod6: hmm. yeah, let me know on this one.
mod6: ben_vulpes: qq on the UYU book value -- you listed 0.21648971 , but I get the above ^ am I doing that correctly? Or am I using a bad UYU/USD number?
mod6: Yikes, here we go through the tangibles table. :D
mod6: The Fiat Liabilities table looks right -- My understanding here is that we have a $2500 entry here for the wildcat bonus because we initially allocated the wildcat bonus for $7500, paid out $5000, and are carrying the libility forward until it's paid September 1st. Correct ben_vulpes ?
mod6: The Fiat Assets table looks correct to me from following the steps, and when including the outgoing $186 adjustment value in the USD Incoming/Outgoing table.
mod6: Further more, he seems to like it as a good place to receive items. So maybe just strike the part that says "no further need for coworking desk" and edit to something like "expected reduction in cost for cowork desk" or something thereabouts.
mod6: uce the cost.
mod6: So the USD Incoming/Outgoing table in the July provisional pizarro statement looks correct to me. The only thing I would adjust is the statement about Fiat expenses. Whereas, I agree that all the work could be done from the apartment and we no longer need the co-work space. I'm inclined to let BingoBoingo make the decision there, and it sounds like he wants to take it down to "part-time", which should red
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, yes, ALL comments go to modqueue atm
mircea_popescu: poor mod6 btw. he sounds like he's got himself well up to the ears.
mircea_popescu: can't even keep all the nobusi straight anymoar.
asciilifeform: ( for bonus lulz, was triggered by an intel official microcode patch as gzip payload... )
mircea_popescu: and now back to actual topics, moron interest fades quickly.
mircea_popescu: hence the link.
mircea_popescu: which is precisely the problem, because "they want miami." is just a polite way of saying "however many bn cuntsquirts walk about, there's never bneen more than a million or two souls, and these schmucks don't got one."
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i suspect they dun want and can't use money for anyffing. they want miami.
mircea_popescu is particularly unimpressed by the sort of fucktard who goes all http://trilema.com/and-in-todays-lulz-the-obnoxious-cocksucker & http://trilema.com/2014/the-public-burning-of-bob-beck/ on me when i come offering ~a little~ actual money ; and then rolls over for usg's own "offers" of EXACTLY ZERO.
asciilifeform: the 'dun fall for fleanode, switch to OUR nsa honeypot instead' spamola is lulzy.
asciilifeform never was able to fathom what 'vpn' subscribers have in their crankcases instead of brains, to fall for such a thing
mircea_popescu: i'm not fucking impressed ; what the fuck, is it http://trilema.com/2017/in-scams-today-disk-less-terminal-sa-dba-laesquinadelamazmorra/#footnote_3_72501 hour now ?!
mircea_popescu: "corporate" dun even begin to describe it. after i fucked that moron's ugly ass-face in every conceivable venue, he's actually "bought" freenode to try and impress ?
mircea_popescu: <milky25> Don't support freenode and their ICO scam, switch to a network that hasn't been co-opted by corporate interests. OFTC or efnet might be a good choice. Perhaps even https://matrix.org/
mircea_popescu: <milky25> Even christel, the freenode head of staff is actively peddling this scam https://twitter.com/christel/status/1025089889090654208
mircea_popescu: <milky25> Freenode is registered as a "private company limited by guarantee without share capital" performing "activities of other membership organisations not elsewhere classified", with Christel and Andrew Lee (PIA's founder) as officers, and Andrew Lee having the majority of voting rights
mircea_popescu: <milky25> Handshake cryptocurrency scam is operated by Andrew Lee (276-88-0536), the fraudster in chief at Private Internet Access which now owns Freenode ☟︎
mircea_popescu: <milky25> "All told, Handshake aims to give $250 worth of its tokens to *each* user of the websites the company has partnerships with – GitHub, the P2P Foundation and *FREENODE*, a chat channel for peer-to-peer projects. As such, developers who have existing accounts on each could receive up to $750 worth of Handshake tokens."
mircea_popescu: <milky25> After the acquisition by Private Internet Access, Freenode is now being used to push ICO scams https://www.coindesk.com/handshake-revealed-vcs-back-plan-to-give-away-100-million-in-crypto/
mircea_popescu: in other items that probably actually belong here,
mircea_popescu: diana_coman all muh comments go to modqueue!
a111: Logged on 2018-08-05 05:13 lobbes: Bah, it took me way too long to figure that out. Anyways, thanks to all who helped me troubleshoot (phf, ty for pointing me to the hyperspec; I found that documentation to be especially useful on educating myself on the kidergarten-level things)
diana_coman: ah, ah, so at least there are jewels of bloopers
asciilifeform: diana_coman: re 'student bloopers', 1990s classic re subj, https://archive.is/UyuCi ( rumoured to be a gag, but entertaining )
diana_coman: asciilifeform, freed and answered; one of those days I will get around to relocating the blog too and restore its sanity re comments
phf: lobbes: hyperspec is first and last documentation you'll need for common lisp. it's generally a good idea to get a feel of what's where in it. it's the only authority on the expected behavior of your code.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i think my comment went to your spam trap
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-05#1839509 -> aha; legacy code is pretty much layers on top of layers of precisely that ☝︎
lobbes: I'll be sure to include this tip in the eventual guide hinted at in >> http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2018/07/logbot-multiple-channels-corrected-on-gentoo-tips-n-tricks-for-the-uninitiated/#selection-551.26-551.132
lobbes: Bah, it took me way too long to figure that out. Anyways, thanks to all who helped me troubleshoot (phf, ty for pointing me to the hyperspec; I found that documentation to be especially useful on educating myself on the kidergarten-level things) ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-22 18:27 ben_vulpes: lobbes: that the outbox table has entries in it suggests that logbot-start-pg-thread was never called
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-22#1837189 << in other news, I finally figured out my issue. I failed to notice a very crucial piece of the 'logbot-check-mode' method (http://btcbase.org/patches/logbot-genesis#selection-1265.19-1265.63). i.e. the bot's nick has to have irc mode set to +o or +v or else 'logbot-start-pg-thread' and 'logbot-send-outbox' will not be invoked. ☝︎
mod6: will finish up the rest tomorrow (hopefully).
mod6: ben_vulpes: ok only had time today to start on reviewing the provisional july pizarro statement - going through your steps at the same time. so far, I can confirm the BTC incoming/outgoing is accurate.
mircea_popescu: provided, of course, the whole show's not run off a script the kiddies bought from some dood in russia.
a111: Logged on 2016-01-21 13:29 asciilifeform: 'if i make it what i think is the right size, it crashes!111'
asciilifeform: whole thing is ~= a reddit.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i expect the spammer folx will register their bots in short order. it takes ~0 work.
BingoBoingo: mod6: They are still waiting to get cleared
mod6: BingoBoingo: any news on the drive shipment?
mircea_popescu: but i want to fully realise the republican advantage over the pantsuit morons. this situation where #trilema is safe "and so are their chans" is overt socialism redistributing goods from us to the moronherd.
mircea_popescu: whole thing adds exactly nothing practically speaking.
mircea_popescu: anyway, tbh i'm mostly encouraging the utter collapse of freenode's "security" model. it should be obvious that lode/ae dorks could just as well REGISTER the spambots. it's a fully automated process, what's the problem, emails ? gimme a break. ☟︎
asciilifeform was very much a 'real time speech is for lamers' type, prior to hanbot's instigation
mircea_popescu: in any case, gotta let things like fiction characters play out their own life story.
mircea_popescu: as unlikely as it seems ; and it does seem. waves are the result of earth's existence, and the only way to conquer resistance of the medium is to make it work for you.
mircea_popescu: gotta permit fate to speak. for all you know we mgiht discover we didn't even like irc.
asciilifeform: but mircea_popescu has it -- even if fleanode unplugged tonight, we can still speak. it'll simply be temporary headache.
a111: Logged on 2018-08-04 22:05 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: iirc i proposed at one time an intermediate item on the way to proper gossipd ( 'serpent'-ciphered tunneler to connect coupla ircd instances to each other, and ditto for users ( get otp cookie a la deedbot, get a key that's good for 1 tcp connect ) but so far instead followed mircea_popescu's advice re not wasting sweat on such a thing, but pushing with ffa so as to get with what to gossipd.
asciilifeform: phf: i was referring to http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-04#1839467 variant. ☝︎
phf: asciilifeform: well, we don't have a gossipd, so our only move option is to take steps towards gossipd or leprotoilet. "i personally would prefer exodus from fleanode to happen on our schedule" exists at odds with both. it seems to ask for "faster gossipd" or "leprotoilet" now, hence at odds.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: rechanneling inside fleanode is much smaller undertaking than baking a reasonable substitute for whole item tho
mircea_popescu: and while at it, the essential part of "#b-a => #trilema transition happened" isn't even so much the (very extremely never-seen-before) narrow time wondows ; but the fact that ~it very much was~ on own fucking schedule. i don't recall having to hassle anyone about anything. it was a coupla days cuz it took me a coupla days, and it was a week because it took trinque, phf & gang a week.
phf: asciilifeform: you seem to be presenting an internally conflicting argument
mircea_popescu: moreover phf deeply has it ; the extant mp-wp infrastructure is wartime sufficient anyways,
asciilifeform: rather than to end up ersatzing into it from 'we now have a week to move'.
asciilifeform: i'd like to avoid it entirely.
phf: well, right, but either or. no need to erect a leprotoilet right now if at all avoidable in the future.
asciilifeform: phf: last thing i want on my boxes, tho, is yet another 1MB ball of c opensores publicly-tcpable liquishit.
phf: asciilifeform: presumably it is still a question of strategic superiority. there's no point on wasting resources on things of little consequence. #b-a => #trilema transition happened in a couple of days, with most original infra available within a week. nothing will prevent same when fleanode is defunct, meanwhile no reason to waste any cycles on it. also act from cause
a111: Logged on 2018-05-01 17:07 asciilifeform: quasi-relatedly, asciilifeform found himself wondering, why we're still on fleanode... between pizarro, mircea_popescu's racked boxes ( idk where, but presumably good ones ? ) , asciilifeform's own fiber, trinque , etc. could have a very solid irc net, potentially
asciilifeform: ( see also http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-01#1807079 thread ) ☝︎
asciilifeform: this being said, i personally would prefer exodus from fleanode to happen on our schedule, rather than in the wake of a catastrophic drop of it into complete unusability. ☟︎
asciilifeform: ( recall, this was the orig thrust behind constant-time rsa )
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: iirc i proposed at one time an intermediate item on the way to proper gossipd ( 'serpent'-ciphered tunneler to connect coupla ircd instances to each other, and ditto for users ( get otp cookie a la deedbot, get a key that's good for 1 tcp connect ) but so far instead followed mircea_popescu's advice re not wasting sweat on such a thing, but pushing with ffa so as to get with what to gossipd. ☟︎☟︎
lobbes: The faint whisper of 'gossipd' can be heard reverberating off the halls of the forum. You are hungry. Exits: [North] [Down]
a111: Logged on 2018-07-21 21:18 trinque: in compounding ironies, I stood up my own ircd_ratbox earlier out of curiosity
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: 'make own fleanode' ( out of e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-21#1837110 ) isn't much of a pill, the 'allcomers problem' doesn't go away merely from standing up a coupla ircd boxen ☝︎
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: to where would you rather ?
mircea_popescu: anyway ; none of this is intended to discourage anyone from inviting people over. but exactly as detailed in ye things have changed article, the "general population" of herbivores has lost the franchise of coming here of own power. it'll be invite only.