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mircea_popescu: how ? "i never saw her before."
mircea_popescu: "i never saw this before"
asciilifeform: i.e. 'did the rape? do the ape'
mircea_popescu: if they did or if they didn't, the "i had nothing to do with it" defense is ironclad as far as that goes.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i dun get why they even mentioned 'cloud', it gave the card trick away in, srsly, 30 seconds of my reading
asciilifeform: ey’ are inside the perimeter. . . I’ll leave you with this: if you don’t get obnoxious, obvious, and detrimental to my future, then I will not bring you ‘into the light’, as it were. If you do, well, remember that you did it to yourselves. The antipathy demonstrated in this letter raises grave concerns about the Defendant’s intentions and potential actions should he be released.'
asciilifeform: ec [computer security]. Thanks. You made me a much better infosec [information security] practitioner. In exchange, well, I gave you my time, and you failed to allow me to help you... You are missing most of the basics in security practice, while thinking you are the best. It’s the bread and butter stuff that will trip you up. Trust me on this one. Seen it.... Dudes/Dudettes, I can’t make this any plainer... Listen up . . . ‘Th
mircea_popescu: Said Miguel to the gringo, "Senor, eef I open thees here closet door an' dee lady eenside ees my leetle lost bride then I theenk I mus' leek'er some more."
mircea_popescu: wait, i got more.
trinque: I hear there are reasons, and it's because of them.
trinque: reminds me of a documentary I watched recently on chicago. a young black gang member says more or less "they killed all the gang leaders, and then everything collapsed"
asciilifeform: i 'evolved' similar 'martians' in an old msdos proggy, iirc called 'imogene'.
ben_vulpes: best lolz i found on the web all day.
mircea_popescu: i don't see he has any way to extricate himself from sending ~half the dem party machine to jail
trinque: hell, when the hairdo's justice department gets done with them, who'll be left to run their machine? I guess after that it's bernie 2.0
trinque: guy later said, "I'll respect the results if I win"
trinque: anyhow it's an interesting idea, but I figure wild redefinitions of money run the risk of angering the gods.
mircea_popescu: anyway. i was speaking metaphorically ok!
trinque: dunno if I like being named governor of brittania being a matter of spooge guzzling.
mircea_popescu: you could call it a semen, seeing how it's pretty much exactly "how much cock i'd suck"
asciilifeform: i'd call it an 'ob'
trinque: there's no center in what I described
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i was expecting you to mention... dirigibles
asciilifeform: to briefly go up the stack, 'gossipcoin' is not useless by virtue of being a mach10 jet. i cannot fly it. but it is conceivable that mircea_popescu could. and/or, folks not even yet born, could.
mircea_popescu: i do not wish to construct systems that much need, let alone require, or depend on, ace pilots.
asciilifeform: hey i never learned to fly a jet fighter;
mircea_popescu: i did not like ripple, as i don't like this, because it requires a level of financial acumen that is not available in the general population
asciilifeform: i.e. a cynical scam.
asciilifeform: trinque: it was a crackpot algo which i suggested, ages ago, where there is no objective coin, but instead, e.g., mircea_popescu can mint any amount (with the total base being public) of mircea_popescucoin, which in turn trinque accepts for certain rate of trinquecoin, etc, etc., integrated with wot
trinque: I kinda see how wot relationships could confer certain amount of newly "mined" coin, like ^
mircea_popescu: no i mean, "medieval japan" AS a coin. which it was.
asciilifeform: trinque: idea is that a unit of hashicity might cost you, i, and 1,000,001 others -- H, but might cost 'satoshi' 1/1,000,001H.
thestringpuller: i can see your bulge!
trinque: but I see that either construction ignores fucking privately
trinque: I would have the greatest self control on earth if I found more gold tomorrow than had ever been mined and this did not soon become apparent to everyone.
asciilifeform: trinque: i suspect that our null hypotheses differ.
trinque: yes and I can factor rsa in my head
mircea_popescu: you'll have to go into proper detail i guess.
asciilifeform: hey if i were 'convinced' - would say.
mircea_popescu: i'm unconvinced.
mircea_popescu: the objection never was as far as i can discern that linus did it (unless of course one is to give voice to the "feminist" cows), but that he seems to have given the keys away
a111: Logged on 2016-10-20 22:53 asciilifeform: as i see it , this is not satisfactorily solvable, the author cannot prove that he did not retain a crib sheet to the keyz.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-20#1557355 << yes. i very much claim that type for eulora. it's been done, turns out you just dunno where to look :) ☝︎
Framedragger: trinque: i know i know. (i'm young to answer q)
asciilifeform: eh i did not even say it would be necessarily worthwhile
a111: Logged on 2016-10-20 22:49 asciilifeform: unrelated to any of this, i recently went on a dig re crackpot altcoins, and was again disappointed, much of the phase space was never explored. for instance, it does not appear that anyone ever tried a 'captain kidd' alt
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-20#1557353 << well, it's sad, but i can't say i'm disappointed, because i had no expectation otherwise. the psychology of the alt-coin purveyor is very much as exemplified by that covertress chick : ambitious, mommy told her she's special which she believes, and "problems" "can always be overcome". preferably - by someone else. you know, what's washington gonna do about it. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: actually i recall ru went through a very acute phase
mircea_popescu: i don't use summer right
phf: there's an hour disparity between mp's tmsr-logs and btcbase, so i need to figure that one out..
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in so far as i can tell, modern american tatoo is ~always ~meaningless.
mircea_popescu: and i'd have busted your face on the street.
mircea_popescu: this i suspect is the ancient, tribal, functional usage. "modern" my left foot.
mircea_popescu: anyway. when i was a kid, tattoos meant a thing and that thing only : she fucks. there exists no majority age in romania, a girl's a woman the moment she starts doing it, which can happen as early as 12, though as a rule it's more around 15.
thestringpuller: i kno that. we discussed in 2012. 4 year discussion now eh?
asciilifeform: if i owned the closet hasher, i would also carry right along 'consenting', aha.
thestringpuller: iirc this was in 2012 logs, cause i remember you saying similar situation to "nLockTime" (altho we discovered more turds there upon further inspection)
thestringpuller: http://people.csail.mit.edu/rivest/RivestShamirWagner-timelock.pdf << is what I read back in 2012 on timelock puzzles
asciilifeform: as i see it , this is not satisfactorily solvable, the author cannot prove that he did not retain a crib sheet to the keyz. ☟︎
asciilifeform: the cryptographic mega-puzzler would be re how 'ck coin' could be 'provably fair' (i.e. the ciphertexts provably represent privkeys containing the entire monetary base, in aggregate )
asciilifeform: (i am almost wholly ignorant of how the latter mechanically works - so possibly not)
asciilifeform: i.e. one where all of the coin is premined, but allocated into 'chests', published as privkeys enciphered in such a way as to be bruteforceable with reasonable effort
asciilifeform: unrelated to any of this, i recently went on a dig re crackpot altcoins, and was again disappointed, much of the phase space was never explored. for instance, it does not appear that anyone ever tried a 'captain kidd' alt ☟︎
mircea_popescu: the overhead is : i encrypt 1 number, and communicate 127 numbers to 127 people then their responses to 127 people.
mircea_popescu: anyway. the main problem with the algo described being that if i want to multiply 2^2^7-1 with 2^2^11-1 i'm stuck requesting 340282366920938463463374607431768211455 discrete additions, which isn't worth doing in any possible universe.
asciilifeform: ('martian bank' being simply a naive abstraction of 'idealizes swiss bank', where money supply is constant, and i can send from account a1 can send to a2 if and only if i have the privkey for a1, and double-spend - impossible, etc.) ☟︎
mircea_popescu: i think he'd greatly benefit from mp-wp, but anyway
asciilifeform: if i have to do 6 bignum mults myself, to ask my partner to homomorphicate 1 bignum mult, i am losing.
asciilifeform: (and if i could! wouldn't need crypto at all. just shamir's secret-splitting algo...)
asciilifeform: if it relies on my being able to send packet from my house without it being immediately logged, some fraction of the time, then i personally cannot much profit from the scheme.
mircea_popescu: i jus' did, and best i can see it is sufficient, and how we'll do stuff like rsa encryption/decryption over uci once gossipd is here.
asciilifeform: btw i've been trying to come up with useful scheme standing on paillier, for >decade now, and if mircea_popescu writes one, i promise to read it.
asciilifeform: i only today dug him up...
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-19#1556932 << i started chipping at the code to get the old log support working, probably a couple of days worth of work ☝︎
asciilifeform: can't speak for other folx, but i personally sit in a kettle.
asciilifeform: i would rather leave it as exercise to the patient reader, mircea_popescu et al, than press it
mircea_popescu: for all i know the guy has a point ; but we've not to date managed to put it in terms i can read.
mircea_popescu: trinque he has a serious issue with things that i don't yet fully grok, but i can not presently distinguish from this irrational meltdown and the irrational meltdown on the gossipd spec.
trinque: if not I don't see how alf says every single comm between all peers gets intercepted readably
mircea_popescu: i'm not interested in the branching, will be happy to have a bignum machine that's securely separable via uci.
asciilifeform: let's temporarily leave this part for later, and posit that mircea_popescu can both add and multiply homomorphically, via whatever means. i'd like to hear how he carries out the branching.
mircea_popescu: i dun follow ?
asciilifeform: it isn't that i can say, with 100% certainty, that you multiplied; it is that i have != 0 bits of info re what you might be doing.
mircea_popescu: but you can't know that i'm multiplying
asciilifeform: how not ? if i know that you delegated a total of 3 ops, i know that your multiplicand is <= 3.
asciilifeform: aite. (i dun even dispute that a scheme where multiple parties are used for obfuscatory/smoke purposes ~can be useful~ - but it is not crypto in the normal sense. stego, perhaps.)
mircea_popescu: this is a very abstruse spoke off an interesting discussion. i dun really want to follow it. can we get back to the point ?
mircea_popescu: maybe i ask a bunch of decoys
mircea_popescu: i decrypt tty and have my 9.
mircea_popescu: i ask trinque to add fgh to qwe
mircea_popescu: i ask you to add fgh to fgh. you come back with qwe
mircea_popescu: let's try once more. so, I want to multiply 3 by 3. suppose the encrypted form of 3 is fgh.
mircea_popescu: are you actually reading what i say or should i just stop ?
mircea_popescu: i have nfi what you're on about. again : i want to multiply C1 by C2. I fire up the UCI, i ask C2 processes to add C1 to the result of the previous process adding C1 to the result of the...
mircea_popescu: if my job is to obtain C1 * C2 I will chain it : ask A to produce P1 + P1 ; ask B to add P1 to his result. ask C to add P1 to that result and so on.
asciilifeform: (i was only able to see 'solution' from the shithub code, the paper is everywhere paywalled. and this somehow passes as a 'source' for pediwik et al..)
asciilifeform: based on the most obvious scheme, that i toyed with as a student, paillier (see oooooold l0gz)
asciilifeform: in re thread from coupla days ago, i was somewhat surprised to discover that a recent homomorphatron scam, 'cryptoleq', is now promoted in a buncha places, incl. pediwikia, ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_instruction_set_computer#Cryptoleq and probably elsewhere ) .
mircea_popescu: i am very much interested in this method, because i guess it could be extended to distinguish malicious from stupid slavegirls
asciilifeform: i wonder, did they actually import american hardware, or contracted to have own, 'industria argentina' dieboldtrons birthed ?