log☇︎
81300+ entries in 0.642s
phf: we had a thread when diff was first discussed as a way to do patches (i think maybe before even v), where i was erring on the side of no unicode support on the grounds that if we decide to support unicode we have to, to borrow asciilifeforms, drink the whole spittoon ☟︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2015-10-31 16:24 phf: some hypothetical b-a os and internal consistency of the whole model. if you say "we support utf-8" here, you're also saying "we support unicode x.y" everywhere
mircea_popescu: speaking of above article, can i get a commitment to never signing any V material which includes any non-ascii characters ? BingoBoingo diana_coman hanbot trinque mod6 danielpbarron mircea_popescu mike_c asciilifeform davout ben_vulpes phf jurov ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: and it also goes re "trade". yes the brits experienced a period of "hey, trade creates wealth". guess what - it created out of burning china's empire. spain idem. and the portuguese too.
asciilifeform: if anyone remembers when it was, stick a pointer here in the l0gz, imho it belongs.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes et al -- at some point there was a great 'savings ~never~ really worked' mircea_popescu thread
mircea_popescu: right, IaaS, ignorance as a service.
phf: afaik heroku invented the whole "container" thing, i.e. instead of oldfag unixing you have a thing with many slots, that takes ruby code, provides postgresql, etc. so that you don't actually need to know anything outside of your rails world
mircea_popescu: is heroku anything more than a pretentious website and a few dozen boxes rented in a dc somewhere ?
ben_vulpes: i never saw a signed anything, couldn't possible say "who" "did" anything
ben_vulpes: lj never took 2 seconds to return a simple html page...
ben_vulpes: whatever, crunchbase took 2 seconds to return a page, i killed the process
mircea_popescu: he's adorable when he thinks he knows a thing!
mircea_popescu: do you know what software m&a market was in 2016, or 2015, or any point, so you can compare ?
mircea_popescu: "m&a market" in the sense of bullshit "tech companies" of the software ilk is looking at a 99% contraction in 2017.
asciilifeform: and it 'works' like all grahamisms -- by being sold to a greater fool, somewhere, somehow
asciilifeform: 'heroku' is a paul graham operation iirc
mircea_popescu: talk to shinohai Framedragger pete_dushenski who else had a bot
asciilifeform: what's a scrat
phf: i've gotten to a point with logs, where most of my log memories are stored in logs
mircea_popescu: oh wait, blonde chicks surf cuz they're from california right ? and black chicks basketball. makes perfect sense. wanna bet the swimmer's a brunette ?
phf: no idea, and too lazy to investigate. i found it because apparently valid unicode pistol emoji was changed from realistic looking gun to a water gun
mircea_popescu: orinigally, nothing ; then it was made a day, then 5.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-28 21:05 mircea_popescu: hardly. subcultures that embrace comfort do lasting damage to the geography. which is how and why mexico is a shithole now - the aztecs lived there. which is why and how ukraina and the dalmatian coast are shitholes now - byzantines lived nearby.
asciilifeform: (cash'n'carry and i-switch-suppliers-on-a-five-minute-whim are your only guards against doctored-chip-just-for-you-at-ftmeade)
asciilifeform: mats: i will underscore the point: i am entirely, thoroughly, monumentally disinterested in purchasing industrial component where i gotta make a cousin-fucking relationship with some orc even before i get something like a quote. no anonymous cash'n'carry? not wanted in my supply line, not if there is an alternative.
mircea_popescu: https://www.reddit.com/r/Python/comments/5fc9ff/minigame_game_developer_ipod_for_8_million_a_few/ << similar lulz.
asciilifeform: 'some d00d on $phorum promises megatonne for a penny' is not 'supplier'.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-28#1574333 << 1) i want the raw chip 2) i want a steady supplier, not a d00d with 0 connection to my wot (including vendors i've personally used as 'connection' for this purpose) ☝︎
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-28#1573903 << that is one of the best games ever. i have many memories of high school drunken debaucheries, where a small clique would periodically dip out, one by one, to perform their next move in heroes on the family computer ☝︎
mircea_popescu: new ideas of impeachable kings ? c) who did max weber identify as part of a "rationalization" (aka enlightening, or in proper words pedestrian-anti-idealism) of abstractions in europe ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, to expound on the whole huguenot issue : a) who expanded the medieval notion of "universitas" to a notion of "popular sovereignity" in the sense of "the people" being a unit, better and different from its constituent parts, and better than the king at hearing god, and to be represented by parliaments ? b) who broke with legist theory of "tyrant = whosoever opposes the monarch" to introduce a transcription of calvin's
mircea_popescu: same sauce as goes in "a plain reading" of eg constitution.
BingoBoingo: Joshua-I: A honest basis.
mircea_popescu: "What follows are three distinct parts that can be read either independently or as a connected whole." aaand he lost me.
adlai: sounds like the same bs rai dalyo rambles about in his multiple-hundred-page copypasta about "principles" and how life is all about discovering your principles, then he gives as an example of such a "principle" - gravitation
adlai never understood wtf a "moral inventory" is
jhvh1: 4. Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.
BingoBoingo: There is a solution
Joshua-I: I'd be weary of saying how long such a thing can last tho
mircea_popescu: well it's a succession of or
a111: Logged on 2016-11-28 21:43 mircea_popescu: understand : when dorks dork on about "putting abstract principles above the people themselves" in http://trilema.com/2014/the-definitive-tract-on-sociopathy/ ; or when random nobody "does not have time to read logs" or "doesn't believe phuctor did so and so" or "doesn't see why should get a pgp key" or "doesn't think bitcoin can work" etc etc, there displayed is the SAME fundamental anti-idealism of the deliberately stupid l
Joshua-I: Multiple personality disorder is considered a product of its times as it has mostly disappeared as of late
Joshua-I: Allo quick point about mental disease a la http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-28#1574271 ☝︎
shinohai: http://www.sciencealert.com/this-new-prime-number-could-help-solve-a-decades-old-puzzle "Only 9.3 million digits!!!"
mircea_popescu: i'm not proposing idealism is acceptable, or good or the solution or anything. but i am outright saying that the specific sort of anti-idealism here displayed IS, in point of fact is, a mental disease.
mircea_popescu: it's not simply "how do other people dare not be miserable", but moreover - what if there's a little more to it all ? exactly the luciferic damnation, for that matter ; and exactly the one criticism pre ww2 jews never wanted to take seriously.
mircea_popescu: understand : when dorks dork on about "putting abstract principles above the people themselves" in http://trilema.com/2014/the-definitive-tract-on-sociopathy/ ; or when random nobody "does not have time to read logs" or "doesn't believe phuctor did so and so" or "doesn't see why should get a pgp key" or "doesn't think bitcoin can work" etc etc, there displayed is the SAME fundamental anti-idealism of the deliberately stupid l ☟︎
mircea_popescu: anyway, the deep point here is a certain anti-idealism, coherent in form and presentation, that permeates the five centuries of progre aggitation. the nonsensical objection re "has anything made your life better" in http://trilema.com/2016/consumerism-is-not-the-answer-though-it-will-put-you-to-sleep-or-american-history-x/ very exactly mirror the issues of denying the physical presence of christ in the diddled roman wine/brea
mircea_popescu: are you aware they even had a flashmob ?
mircea_popescu: never you mind what similarities tyou can see. point me a difference.
asciilifeform: the only similarity that i can see is that they are the maggots on a corpse.
mircea_popescu: 10% at the time, yes ? aspirational like exactly the "i am going to ny to be a writer just like carrie bradshaw" jew of today.
asciilifeform: there is the 'engine' and the 'chrome', i.e. the actual motive ideology, vs the window-dressing. similar to usg's 'hyooman rights!1111' chrome, around a 'market for hollywood and cocacola' engine.
mircea_popescu: find me a point of divergence. even fucking global warming was there, in 1572.
mircea_popescu: they sprang out of the EXACT thing hillary sprang out of : a) individual problems are a collective concern ; b) "we" are all equally dignified and entitled ; c) you name it
asciilifeform: fr-speaking protestants ? afaik luther et al sprung out of a very clearly decaying corpse of the church, and not external baccilae of any sort
asciilifeform: subj btw is a thoroughly worked concept in ru sphere, where folx got to watch 'consumer revolution' unfold in fast-forward picture in 1990s
asciilifeform: y'know, toilet can be very close to cockpit in a spacecraft and pilot eat 0 shit.
mircea_popescu: take the web. there's nothing fundamental about html or the upstream concepts that require it to become a pile of shit. but the simple proximity of aol ENSURE, pointedly necessitate and absolutely guarantee, it WILL be a pile of shit. no matter ANYTHING else.
mircea_popescu: it LOOKS like a mountain, or a hill or a weir, but it is a touched mountain, hill or weir. and if you eat from there - you will be dumb.
mircea_popescu: because paleologoi polluted the square - not with nuclear waste, which resolves in a century, but with cultural waste, which doesn't resolve in millenium+
mircea_popescu: and the fact that the byzantines were nearby is inescapable ; you can build any odessa you want on that tile - it will be a shithole
mircea_popescu: hardly. subcultures that embrace comfort do lasting damage to the geography. which is how and why mexico is a shithole now - the aztecs lived there. which is why and how ukraina and the dalmatian coast are shitholes now - byzantines lived nearby. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the minoans were the size of a cat's piss.
asciilifeform: ( do we still know half a fuck's worth re what nailed, e.g., the minoans ? )
mircea_popescu: it is certainly the case that eastern europe / middle east is a shithole now because instead of razing byzantium in 500, they waited till 1500.
mircea_popescu: same EXACT thing happened to everyhing else america touched. the damage that brown hole of fetid shit does to things is such, that the aggegate benefits to mankind of say computers, or philosophy, or you name it are actually exceeded by ustardian damage in the short half century since it even became a thing.
mircea_popescu: the parallel here is pretty evident - for a century now man's eternal dream to fly was realised. it was realised by great minds in europe, and then taken over by usians. who FUCKED IT. but i mean so utterly, that at the last count cca 2008 it came out the aggregate air travel industry lost more money in its history than it made. period and full stop, consider that.
mircea_popescu: yes but rubbish in the sense of supermarket rubbish - useless and ubiquitous, with a fury worthy of a better cause.
mircea_popescu: shift ? ayup. the great idea is "what if we took ultima and made it in 3d", that's fucking it. "i want a car just like that car but paint it pink and write my name on the dash".
asciilifeform: ( it is difficult to see how it could be a +ev product )
asciilifeform: aha, and i don't expect the radio repeater thing to become a future s.nsa item either
mats: i hope not, i'm still hoping to see a return on my s.nsa shares
asciilifeform: 'this bathtub lacks a meat grinder'
asciilifeform: mats: that is a problem shared with every cpu ever made, it is not really a problem
mats: i remember now, there was a lack of entropy source
asciilifeform: (and woe be to the experimenter who actually needs to know whether such a component is available in bulk, where, at what price point, or for how long ! )
asciilifeform: now if you want to buy a quintillion of them, yes, china will send a steamer with 10,000,001 crates. but this is quite irrelevant to an experimenter.
asciilifeform: ( in a much earlier even thread , about the marvell chipset used in pogotron, i found same thing -- the chip is simply not www-orderable in the west, at least not at any kind of price point that isn't a laugh when stood next to the price of whole pogo )
asciilifeform: the thing that cooled asciilifeform's interest (to a slow simmer) is that the things remain unavailable in-bulk other than via chinese meatwot or something else inaccessible by asciilifeform
asciilifeform: mats: i still have a bad of two dozen or so here.
asciilifeform: mats: i handed out a bunch of chinese sample boards at conf3, didn't help...
a111: Logged on 2016-11-16 14:20 mircea_popescu: also as taleb correctly points out, this example is just a very good example, but not the whole story. what it exemplifies is the ineptitude of a class of people, whom we call jews, and whom we wish to see in camps. these people understand some - enough to be harmful - but not enough, so as to be useful. they are worse than stupid, because of this familiarity with first order but incapacity for higher order reasoning.
mircea_popescu: he correctly identified the problem with modern "educated" "liberals", which is - http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-16#1568343 aka first pass knowledge. whatever they could scrounge up in a quick skim through wikipedia reinforced by a smattering of wqhat was trending on tedtalks. ☝︎
pete_dushenski: o.O clement vii was a medici. fancy.
mircea_popescu: tis a risky venture to pick one's example from a period when the consensus was to call all deaths "of poison" just because everyone was trying to appear worldier and therefore jadeder and cynicer than everyone else.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski it's not even that simple, there's that entire wolf episode, rome got sacked also... twas a murky time.
mircea_popescu: otherwise it's perfectly fine when the libertard does it! he's not supposed to follow the herd, and is not a redneck "conspiracy-minded" nutcase etc for being... a conspiracy-minded nutcase.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: a slave isn't a slave to all, just to his master. so it was that clement vii was obsequious to charles v, not henry viii. anyways i can see that the sentence was poorly worded and it's been corrected. so cheers :D
mircea_popescu: ainst a child because of who the father is ?"
mircea_popescu: a) yes, that's the fucking point - and more people who could be taken at their word would be an incredible improvement over "open society" and "modern democracy" ; b) no, not "humans". women. strictly women. the ~FEMALE~ response to "confronted publicly with the unacceptable", which is just a periphrastic mention of public rape, is to... what was that line, "i am a woman, david. do you think i hate children ? must i choose ag
mircea_popescu: in other lolz, "Rule #1: Believe the autocrat. He means what he says. Whenever you find yourself thinking, or hear others claiming, that he is exaggerating, that is our innate tendency to reach for a rationalization. This will happen often: humans seem to have evolved to practice denial when confronted publicly with the unacceptable."
mircea_popescu: the avatars of "Safety" - have a bunch of men dork around with guns that are NEVER charged, get them used to using them like doorstops.
mats: >Jasmin Olbrich, having a quick lunch of French fries at a food truck outside the educational center, said she liked the Middle Eastern looks and complained that German men "drink too much beer, watch way too much soccer and are just so white!"
asciilifeform: trinque: is there a simple way to make the graph fill the area of display available to it ?
trinque: then a moment of enlightenment came and I decided to proceed unfairly :p
mircea_popescu: or you know, offer a separate "all conceivable datapoints", but imo waste of your time and the whole point is that their presence drowns out the actually important people.
mircea_popescu: trinque i don't think there's anything meaningful there ; should prolly purge all those with a nil reputation string.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you have to consider the history of the republic. first it was a very vague thing in a very large soup that was #bitcoin-otc ; that split up between the libertards and the sane people ; me, mod6 a few others moved on to -assets. then that also split up, between whatever the hell it was, modern-science-democracy-and-consumerism and the current #trilema.