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The20YearIRCloud: I didn't realize that it was possible to do that, are the speeds typically much higher than what their clocked counterparts are?
asciilifeform: (won't go under 'vmware' or any machine i could dig up)
decimation: 'we don't do it because no chips and tools' 'no chips and tools because no demand'
asciilifeform: and when designed - won't be chinese.
asciilifeform: because it doesn't really matter what they cost
decimation: yeah that's a good point, why doesn't samsung or some chinese vendor bust this stuff up?
mircea_popescu: not with internet-connected customers. it just can;t.
decimation: I can't imagine that this business model of making enemies of your customers will survive
asciilifeform: decimation: problem is lack of fpga with documented layout, so you aren't chained to a vendor's turdware.
asciilifeform: but it won't work ☟︎
asciilifeform: afaik they don't even sell printed docs now.
asciilifeform: don't say i didn't warn.
assbot: Logged on 01-10-2014 03:13:19; asciilifeform: phun phact. traditionally, the folks who write cpu manuals (how many people here have seen them alive? dead tree manuals) don't have access to original design specs.
decimation: in case folks haven't seen the latest amusement with x86: http://randomascii.wordpress.com/2014/10/09/intel-underestimates-error-bounds-by-1-3-quintillion/ ☟︎
decimation: indeed, for instance from the yegge article: "We retired Mailman. That's because we have the Quality With a Name — namely, Suckiness. We suck. We couldn't find anyone who was good enough at Emacs-Lisp to make it work. "
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: I see. What I don't understand is why CLers haven't just ditched the web.
decimation: ?? what part isn't the problem? 'automatic parallel-ization?
gabriel_laddel: decimation: re, the problem with lisp... this isn't CL's problem, and not a real problem anyway. Compare to writing ~ALGOL on c-machine.
mircea_popescu: decimation i don't get this. all machines are multi-core
gabriel_laddel: It's a pity Terry doesn't frequent #b-a
mircea_popescu: because marginal hires won't ruin your codebase quite as badly ?
mircea_popescu: "(yeah, there are a bunch) are going to have to realize that if Lisp is ever going to be massively successful, it needs an overhaul. Or maybe a revolution. Contrary to what some might tell you, it doesn't need a committee, and it doesn't need a bunch of money. Linux proved exactly the opposite. Lisp needs a benevolent dictator. Lisp needs to ditch the name "Lisp", since it scares people. And Lisp needs to learn from th
mircea_popescu: saying that the only thing this apple's good for is the pigs doesn't amount to a suggesting feeding the pigs.
asciilifeform: 'don't wait for bus, you might be the driver' etc
mircea_popescu: "Every 15 years or so, languages are replaced with better ones. C was replaced by C++, at least for large-scale application development by people who needed performance but desperately wanted data types too. C++ is being replaced by Java, and Java will doubtless be replaced with something better in seven years — well, seven years after it finishes replacing C++, which evidently hasn't fully happened yet, mostly becau
mircea_popescu: lol i stand to make a pretty penny there, don't i.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 10k line/250kb limit. if you overrun it you get shot << chuck moore (of 'forth' fame) seems kinda in favour of this. as am i. a kind of 'environmentalism' i've been advocating for many years (intellectual pollution doesn't blacken mere lungs. it makes everybody - stupider. measurably.) ☟︎
assbot: How A Bigger Blockchain Is Less Secure And Why Block Size Ain't Gonna Increase Any Time Soon | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
mircea_popescu: "these are my children" ? "this is my house". most property owners don't own their own torens title bureaus
mircea_popescu: (there's an extra bit in there, where people with a lot of exposure, financial, intellectual, emotional, w/e also run full nodes - but generally they also won't be following patently insane notions a la "let's make the blocks infinite")
pete_dushenski: thankfully, i had made a back-up but i was pretty choked for a minute cuz the auto-save didn't include that last article about gavin's retardation
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: shit i wasn't aware anyone realised this << naggum did.
mircea_popescu: shit i wasn't aware anyone realised this
pete_dushenski: TheNewDeal: surprised they didn't make a pitch to increase the blocksize limit << lol
mircea_popescu: in other words, back to the topic : i think the people arguing that c is just the way to talk to the c-machine, aka von neumann machine have it wrong - c is just the way average people abstract. fortunately that fit into an already existing machine, but if it hadn't it'd have been forcibly fit anyway.
gabriel_laddel: I don't understand what you're getting at. (emacs) Lisp still has to store things in files.
mircea_popescu: We have 50 million lines of C++ code. No, it's more than that now. I don't know what it is anymore. It was 50 million last Christmas, nine months ago, and was expanding at 8 million lines a quarter. The expansion rate was increasing as well. Ouch."
kanzure: this wasn't a conference.
TheNewDeal: surprised they didn't make a pitch to increase the blocksize limit
assbot: CFTC met on /hashtag/Bitcoin?src=hash today, here's the full transcript http://t.co/Y2U8Yqudk6 /hashtag/CFTC?src=hash
thestringpuller: ;;later tell nubbins` hey instead of refund can I just get another poster :( the USPS can't find it
thestringpuller: i didn't get to see the bitcoin poster yet
cazalla: mircea_popescu: mebbe qntra publishes a summary, then i can "watch" it too <<< i can't sit and watch that guy for 2 hours
TheNewDeal: somehow they don't know how to link to a video
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves: usg is just alarmed hacker haz more dataz than them, so jelly <<< AAAANNDD they don't even quote trilema. not like it's been a secret over here, for the past half year or so.
mircea_popescu: lol what is this, "if you remember the 60s you weren't there" ?
thestringpuller: and don't gentleman's club employ females?
thestringpuller: i think there are all male universities still around...but I don't know who would want to attend
mircea_popescu: so you can't have gentlemen's clubs but you can have all cunt university ?!
thestringpuller: something about dem places ain't natural
thestringpuller: don't chick's become chicken?
nubbins`: don't let me stop ya
nubbins`: half those people in the room don't know what the fuck a computer is
nubbins`: i don't think the phrase "blew my mind" has a literal meaning
princessnell: can't find the live cast
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> which kinda explains the unholy proliferation of the "vlogger". derp that can't be bothered to write shit down because it's too much work, and so instead he wants everyone to see past his out of shape flesh and obnoxiously poor vocalisation. beause that's somehow not a lot of work. << Why Vlogger's can't be relevant
mircea_popescu: which kinda explains the unholy proliferation of the "vlogger". derp that can't be bothered to write shit down because it's too much work, and so instead he wants everyone to see past his out of shape flesh and obnoxiously poor vocalisation. beause that's somehow not a lot of work.
mircea_popescu: why don't YOU transcribe it ?
thickasthieves: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUNGFZDO8mM&feature=youtu.be#t=34m18s
nubbins`: 'cause sorry bru operating expenses don't ya know
fluffypony: even the ones that aren't used for meat
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "Suppose you want to support strings and have a string comparison instruction. You might think that "it's done in the hardware", so it's blindingly fast. It isn't, because the hardware still has to access memory, one word per cycle. A superscalar/VLIW assembly loop would run just as quickly; the only thing you'd save is a few bytes for instruction encoding. On the other hand, your string comparison thingi
decimation: I hadn't made the connection between french elite absurdity and Nietzsche - an interesting connection
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> i don't really like the mr trololo treatment << this was re the seuss link
mircea_popescu: i don't really like the mr trololo treatment
decimation: the french revolution wasn't only caused by the socialists, it was also caused by the pathetic derpiness of the 'nobility' and monarchy
decimation: my understanding is that early analog cell phones weren't even trunked, they had a dedicated channel while connected
asciilifeform: decimation: yes, and somehow we aren't supposed to notice the atrocious quality.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> because modern111!1111 browser won't build there << what is the "modern browser" for ?
hanbot: news doesn't call for it so often, i don't think.
thestringpuller: probably not a need since the intended audience isn't retards
mike_c: probably can't curse as much as on the forums
asciilifeform: because won't fit in 64M of the machine in question
asciilifeform: and if built (miracle, hand-massaged bottle-fed libraries, etc) won't run.
asciilifeform: because modern111!1111 browser won't build there
mircea_popescu: it wouldn't go very far now would it.
mircea_popescu: whoever makes it, either makes it to spec or it won't work. period and enforced.
mircea_popescu: you can't install airplane flaps on your car. somehow this is perfectly comprehensible. why should you be able to use a noncompliant usb stick ?
asciilifeform: yes. but it didn't happen in empty space, but from the 'tower of babel' situation
asciilifeform: i don't even have to disassemble the beast, extract the fw, and reverse it to have a pretty solid guess
asciilifeform: but build a system where it isn't milked (usb pipe with non-null payloads kept going) and drown in shit.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller the "working group" hasn't yet heard of bitcoin
asciilifeform: (what kind of device? a 2d plane digitizer that sits on usb, meant to be used as 'touch' gizmo. and it pisses GBs of usb disconnect garbage into log -if and only if you don't use it-.)
mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> you can do minimalist without stooping to using browser defaults << i don't think that's stooping.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller nah can't be bothered. but also am not depressed.
cazalla: anyway, while driving such long distances, i got to listening to let's talk bitcoin episodes and in one of the latests, adreas concedes bitcoin isn't for africa but maybe now philippines, argentina
thestringpuller: i haven't seen you in a bit
danielpbarron: ;;rate ninjashogun -1 doesn't understand the WoT http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-10-2014#865707 ☝︎
thestringpuller: thanks nanotube! i didn't know the main one.
nanotube: <thestringpuller> nanotube: how come I can wget the downloads on http://cahier2.ww7.be/bitcoinmirror/otc/today/ <- i think you probably mean "cant", and the answer is i don't know, neofutur keeps that mirror. you can wget from bitcoin-otc.com/otc/
moldysnizz: I don't know what any of that means.
BingoBoingo: Don't put expiration dates on the keys?
asciilifeform: i can't resist!
asciilifeform: <ninjashogun> I think you can improve your device by communicating with the host in any other way (LED and webcam, speaker and microphone, whatever), other than as a USB device, which I don't think is the most secure interface for your usage case. No, I didn't have anyone else tell me to tell you this!
asciilifeform: that, e.g., you can't switch off (how does the usb dongle behave on power-low mode? etc)
asciilifeform: then it isn't a laptop, but a crate of crapolade on wires
asciilifeform: bounce: only really an issue on laptops, where you can't install a civilized replacement for $gizmo
asciilifeform: <ninjashogun> you're not correct that I have any connection with the u.s. government. (or any other government). Other than holding citizenship and in the interests of absolute full disclosure, I served briefly in the military. This isn't text or me saying it
ninjashogun: I don't htink that's the sole purpose of letting me speak.
ninjashogun: What I mean is that that is the meaning of the sentence "things you don't understand and things that are random don't share much common ground" gramatically. (though i understand you're just being rhetorical). after you factor out the double negatives.