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mircea_popescu: this is almost as much lol as the first time i got actual data as to what entertainers actually earn.
nubbins`: below the poverty line
mircea_popescu: guy on windows pulling in 1k/mo is the nikki minj of viruses ?
asciilifeform: it was the most valuable 'psychiatric' find in the field, because the disk was full of correspondence with customers and half-finished work
asciilifeform: in June, the fellow who wrote a popular trojan, 'Caberp', was pwned, and his whole disk posted for public amusement
nubbins`: (verb conjugation is a very fluid thing here)
asciilifeform: in that very special sense of 'need'
mircea_popescu: i've yet not heard a case that wasn't a lie.
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't believe anything poor people say that has "need" in it.
asciilifeform: in the sense of a street beggar
asciilifeform: the bad ones seem to be motivated by... need.
mircea_popescu: in the end... kind of the same thing n'est pas.
mircea_popescu: and the bad ones by boredom
asciilifeform: the good ones are clearly motivated by the pleasure of the craft
mircea_popescu: they're trying to entertain themselves.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i suspect the premise that criminals are driven by a desire to acquire wealth is flawed here. crap artists aren't REALLY running a business.
nubbins`: will be nice to finally have a place to lay things
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
asciilifeform: the few exceptions tend to get hyped up in the media organs
asciilifeform: curiously, the uptake of btc among crap artists has, so far, been minimal. they are very 'tradition-bound.'
nubbins`: speaking of craftsmen, installing some nice new countertops and cabinets in the studio.
asciilifeform: in that the true craftsmen stand to profit directly from their craftsmanship, while the idiots are doing it 'as a job'
mircea_popescu: that's a reading on it, but i doubt there's depth there.
nubbins`: and texts like that are essentially an edgy fantasy novel
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: correct. and what's yet funnier, it showcases the 'marx' point about 'alienated labour'
nubbins`: by and large, the anglo world was long ago cowed into inaction
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i agree, and i propose to you it's because it is a free market.
nubbins`: they still think and they still kick up a stink once in a while
mircea_popescu: here's the thing : the french actually still think.
mircea_popescu: in the intellectually-desititute english language, it's an incendiary tract glenn beck gets all excited about.
nubbins`: i think there's less of an "allure of the unknown" on these sorts of topic in french society
asciilifeform: in the sense that it spans the entire spectrum from 'idiot, how does he remember to breathe' to 'brilliant, jewel of the ages'
mircea_popescu: in french is just a banal term paper on the works of otherwise commonplace academics.
nubbins`: although a simpler explanation is that anglos find The Coming Insurrection much more interesting than francos.
gribble: JOHNNY CASH LYRICS - Ballad Of A Teenage Queen - A-Z Lyrics: <http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/johnnycash/balladofateenagequeen.html>; Rodney Crowell - Ballad of a Teenage Queen (with lyrics) - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNKOTdwtT3s>; Our Town - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Town>
mircea_popescu: ;;google here's a story from our town, of the prettiest girl around.
nubbins`: apparently french people don't want to print things, nor read web pages
nubbins`: re: french vs english, i have no idea. TANJ.
asciilifeform: (obligatory note about the traditional 'good spies' vs. 'famous spies')
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the most successful ones i've 'met' so far live in your home town.
mircea_popescu: because at the bottom line there's no baby.
mircea_popescu: i suspect the baby is thrown with a bathwater somewhere at some point somehow tho
asciilifeform: some of them, if they could be fishermen on some forgotten shore, would probably take it up.
asciilifeform: they want to eat without submitting.
mircea_popescu: * it's a large, affiliate forum. people who eke out a harsh existence at the edges of economy, internet and legality. the guys who buy 50k clicks on site y to send to site x.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as someone who works 'with' these people, i think i have a bit of a psycho-crackpot angle on their driving philosophy
mircea_popescu: i came to it studying the warrior forum (*) years ago, when i noticed the unifying factor in all their textual emissions was a desire to "make money while you sleep". ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm pretty sure i lifted that phrase straight from your essays
asciilifeform: most of the career spammers / crapware artists are based in parts of the world where the resulting pennies buy you something approaching a civilized life.
mircea_popescu: i like that expression.
asciilifeform: getting back to the crapware: most instances you're dealing with a case of 'work 12 hrs. a day to make minim. wage while you sleep.' ☟︎
mircea_popescu: imo that's the good part, but hey.
asciilifeform: worst part is that in this latter case, the devil occasionally appears and shits out a little gold, just enough to temp the sinner into being stupider
mircea_popescu: anyway, the quote above is from my own blog. cargo cultist got a spam script, understands some parts of how it works. ends up sending the unprocessed spinlist.
mircea_popescu: at least in the 1800s it was a book
asciilifeform: i think back to this every time i read about the btc mining 'industry.'
asciilifeform: each time, for a much greater price
asciilifeform: the book changed hands many, many times
asciilifeform: who would help him find treasures
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mircea_popescu: {Entrepreneurs|Business owners|Internet marketers|Business people|Enterprisers} {and large|and enormous|and huge} {firms|companies|businesses|organizations|corporations} {should|ought to|must|need to|really should} {both|each|the two|both equally|equally} {take advantage of the|make use of the|use the|benefit from the|leverage the} {resources|sources|assets|solutions|information} {offered to|provided to|agreed to|wante
asciilifeform: that promised the reader that he could learn to summon devils
asciilifeform: as a boy, i read about an 18th c. book, 'Triple Power over the Forces of Hell' ☟︎☟︎
pankkake: I don't think it used to be as separate as it is now
pankkake: profit is in selling the stuff
asciilifeform: who heard, of someone long ago and far away, turning a profit...
asciilifeform: most of what i see is profoundly disappointing in the intellectual sense.
asciilifeform: maybe once i leave that work behind. i promise it isn't an interesting story though.
mircea_popescu: is it the phenomenology of cool driving it ? like he guy with the ferrari at burning man never having trouble "renting" the bitch ride ?
kakobrekla: i wanna hear the different story
asciilifeform: KRS1: crap artists (whom i hunt for a living, different story) never seem to have any problem renting out space on their crapnets.
KRS1: lol @ <CiPi> And everyone must know, bitcoin will never be accepted by banks. NEVER. And because of this the price of bitcoin will rise like the price of cocaine in 1960.
KRS1: asciilifeform the problem with crapware is capitalizing on it, thats where the road ends for most..writing virii is the easy part
mircea_popescu: well... either because i'm naive or because i've seen happy wolf men and they don't look like it
asciilifeform: (in the medieval sense of 'rogue')
asciilifeform: i'm not certain why you so readily conclude that they aren't happy 'wolf men'
mircea_popescu: yeah, but their problem kinda is that they should be answering to someone. i can sorta see the loneliness in their actions.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i specifically brought up crapware as a field where a modestly clever fellow could work without answering to anyone.
mircea_popescu: it's out of that wastage that communities emerge in the first place.
mircea_popescu: in short, people rarely make the best decisions for themselves
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they'd be even richer, work more at shit they like working at and so on and so forth if they just gave up their delusions of self importance and agency and just found some better people to submit to.
asciilifeform: the funny part is that these folks would be richer, work less, and spend slightly less time in jail if... they wrote virii.
KRS1: they're hitting up angel investment in the meantime
mircea_popescu: now they don't dare try for phase two of that, and so they're stuck waiting. it will probably be indefinite.
mircea_popescu: initially they thought they can buy their way into relevancy, and intelligent actors bleed them dry.
KRS1: love this analogy: xrp, like worldcoin turned our lady bitcoin into a cheap whore
KRS1: thats a nightmare waiting to happen imo
mircea_popescu: the idea they're still pushing usagiesque nonsense...
KRS1: mircea_popescu: it wasn't peercover exactly I was trying to get at here, it was their trading platform
KRS1: i tossed it out to the chan to see if anyone had an opinion
mircea_popescu: KRS1 do you see any indication this is anything more or other than a purely nominalist rebranding of their old crap that was already beaten to shit in the marketplace ?
mircea_popescu: KRS1 how is this new/noteworthy/whatever ?
benkay`: KRS1: where can i read more about peercover being insurance? their website has *nothing*.
pankkake: whereas they could do most of the work before raising funds
pankkake: bitcoin businesses seem to raise money when they don't need it, end up with a shitload of coins, and simply don't have any incentive to work
KRS1: so consider this..peercover is insurance but they also will now have an exchange for trading..doesn't this complicate their liquidity requirements
benkay`: most of the time it's a scam of the innocent 'i want to derp a thing related to buttcorns so i'll poop some features and call it bitcoin 2.0' type
KRS1: hard to figure out what the hell anymore..such scam everywhere you look it seems
KRS1: actually it specifically says you can buy/sell tickers tied to the ripple protocol with this platform
benkay`: if this person actually "owned" an actual "business" they wouldn't be "looking into" selling shares on some derpy ripple thing