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kakobrekla: >This is nothing other than natural morals, you don't see a wolf trying to swallow a whale. You don't see a hawk trying to carry away a moose. You sometimes see snakes trying to swallow things they can't, but that's rare and it works as proof that snakes aren't really all that smart.
kakobrekla: as everywhere else
kakobrekla: as for the fsa i dont get it what is the problem
kakobrekla: that logo might get replaced but its not really a big deal (i thought othewise as well) as there are some background stories to it but we
Chaaaang-Noi: its pretty reasonable id say, as we are about to halve but still...
Diablo-D3: DMC would have legitimized Bitcoin as a way to crowdfund small businesses
Diablo-D3: and nefario as lied about the legality of glbse
Diablo-D3: I will also accept prison time as an acceptable method of repayment.
mircea_popescu: as announced by glbse folks
jurov: haha, i like to use her as such
mircea_popescu: honestly, there's two constructions that can be made on the data as-is. either these are some kids with a bright idea and absolutely no clue on how these things work, or else it's as deep as the tar pit goes.
smickles: mircea_popescu: it looks as if, when I launch the thing, my bot will beat your bot by about .02btc on some strikes (if it were running now
jurov: and was it 1 satoshi or 94 as website shows?
FabianB_: data as json in both directions would seem more consistent
FabianB_: just doesn't seem polished enough to qualify as standard yet
mircea_popescu: otherwise this exists as internal stuff for about a year now
FabianB_: STATJSON returns data as json
dub: you have negligence and nuisance as offenses
mircea_popescu: as long as you explain the deal properly
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 it's open auction. as much as the filler asks for.
kakobrekla: its prolly expencive as... hm... as saffron.
mircea_popescu: i don't care what antyone says, btc is solid as a rock.
smickles: it was our anniversary on the 30th just past, as likly to happen then as ever
dub: anyway, as far a business decision goes its madness to even contemplate
mircea_popescu: it's meaningless even as it is
BTC-Mining: That would be a problem if they push it as the official client... who controls bitcoin.org?
BTC-Mining: The risk lessens of this with each confirmation as the computational advantage the attacker needs grows to a mathematically improbable level and six confirmations is widely accepted as being the amount where the transaction is secure from this attack.
BTC-Mining: control the potential exists for this double spend even if the transaction had already seen confirmations as those blocks could be overtaken in the attack.
smickles: the devs swithcing algos would easily be seen as anti-freemarket, and people might abandon them over that
dub: I don't think it even matters, an algo war will devalue btc as smickles said
mircea_popescu: in a sense the current dev + gpu miner pools are creating that problem as it is
mircea_popescu: but anyway. the shipping problem is that companies don't have an incentive to ship for as long as what they're shipping is worth more than what the people paid for it.
smickles: mircea_popescu: the must plan to mine like hell as 'testing' untill their actions raise the diff significantly, then ship
Diablo-D3: when they threaten people for not joining and also act as the bosses of the workers they protect, theres a problem
mircea_popescu: Greg Palast is the author of the New York Times bestseller, "Armed Madhouse" (Penguin Paperback 2007). When Palast, an investigator of corporate fraud and racketeering, turned his skills to journalism, he was quickly recognized as, "The most important investigative reporter of our time" [Tribune Magazine]
thestringpuller: so they use "time" as currency
B0g4r7: Hush-hush as usual.
mircea_popescu: as a nice bonus, the person doing that isn't usually black.
kakobrekla: as much as Diablo-D3
mircea_popescu: "Yes, 2.0 was pretty much the beginning of all this, though I'd prefer the perspective they had when it was implemented as a command-line client."
knotwork: it seems to have no login, as if either its intended you run it in-house or you slap http auth over it or something
kakobrekla: it if doenst require too much attention i can try as well
mircea_popescu: but as to "which week" : the simple way to interpolate 3d graphs is to look at the angle gain.
mircea_popescu: fail to survive as long as some 4chan thing
mircea_popescu: it's kinda funny when various internet entities who we are expected to treat like, you know, as if they were human beings, with rights and all
mircea_popescu: Miscellaneous policy-based unjust factors such as 'withdrawal within the locus poenitentiae'
thestringpuller: she is hot as shit
mircea_popescu: an ACTUAL girl on the internet that everybody talks to as if it were some guy.
mircea_popescu: actually as it stands right now, the chinese own more of the us than americans do.
mircea_popescu: they made pretty decent music, which would count as an item for this conversation, except it wasn't valued at the time. arguably that gives them a leg to stand on
mircea_popescu: the system as presented stands. inconvenient as that may be ideologically.
smickles: i'd be fucked as a scammer
knotwork: treat it as them being the lawyer's sock-puppets
knotwork: take it as a hint that you read too much :)
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2012/conversation-discarded-as-worthless/ convo of doom
knotwork: yes as I was typing
knotwork: or was it scaled so it can even actually come out as integers?
mircea_popescu: knotwork nah gpg string is just submited as a post to an url.
knotwork: thus whether giga would learn who they are given their PGP identity is up to them, as they were told from the start
knotwork: I say "possibly" because I do not recall whether MPEx let me use as my PGP identity my normal one, my OTC one, whose publicly listed email address does not exist
knotwork: I have lots still in backscroll I havent scrolled back as far as yet
knotwork: the "discarded as worthless" part is what? more a colloquialism? or a technical term meaning something specific?
knotwork: Or are you basically trying to buy them all back so that by the time they are "discarded as worthless" no one is stuck with any anyway?
knotwork: a technical loophole - we dis-carded as in its not writ on stone nor cardboard anymore, more of a mere paper trail ow
knotwork: (yes we deleted the shares as worthless. Oh suddenly dividends turn up? no we didn't delete rcords, presto undelete...)
knotwork: Not asleep, just taking a long time to backtrack to figure out if the whole dramafest-recap-and-rerun was ultimately just something thinking "discard as worthless" implied or intended "deletion of records"
BTC-Mining: And I don't like people rushing things as fast on the forum without any proof or reasonable evidence.
BTC-Mining: Like theymos passing as a fact Nefario was using user's funds solely because "He thought so"
BTC-Mining: My complain is people passing as fact something they have no credible claim to pass it as a fact.
BTC-Mining: As for the other part where I claim facts, I cannot actually claim direct sighting of those facts.
mircea_popescu: <strong>mircea_popescu</strong> you know this as a fact ?
BTC-Mining: As such, I might have been wrong. But I never presented it as a fact. Although technically we're on a public medium in this channel, this was a conversation between you and me.
BTC-Mining: be erased), that data would be kept along signed statement (as in all your data too, it was a bit of confusion in my understanding), and then the part with smickles where it went unanswered if you'd honor signed statements (not very useful if you don't keep your part of the signed data).
BTC-Mining: Nefario claimed not to be using user's funds. Theymos, thinking "wait, Nefario certainly does not have the money to pay for it, he probably used the users's funds". And went ahead making an official statement that Nefario used. Now that's assumption put forward as facts. You stated the data for the ETF would be deleted (A general statement which seems to indicate any data related would
mircea_popescu: made out of parts as it were
BTC-Mining: I understood it as data would be preserved within the saved "stat" data.
BTC-Mining: Mea culpa I guess. You were talking about how it's unreasonable to keep the data indefinitly. I understood it as all the data. I pointed out I was annoyed by this.
smickles: 04:46 < mircea_popescu> i didn't say i delete all data lol. i said the shares are discarded as worthless
mircea_popescu: i didn't say i delete all data lol. i said the shares are discarded as worthless
BTC-Mining: When you said you'd delete ALL data for the ETF, I understood it as ALL the data. Including signed transactions...
BTC-Mining: And as such will keep the transactions data for the ETF.
BTC-Mining: So you need to keep all transactions data for that, as proof we signed them at a later date.
BTC-Mining: Not as in negociable instruments. Receivable has offering any proof of ownership later than the date it was issued.
mircea_popescu: BTC-Mining think for a moment, logically. in any possible implementation there'd be some dbs which hold records of what has happened. such as, who transfered what to whom, in sale or otherwise.
BTC-Mining: I understood it as you were going to delete ALL data...
BTC-Mining: No, I stated afterward I answered yes to your "lol srsly" as if it was an answer to my question.
BTC-Mining: [22:21] <BTC-Mining> Will you honor the most recent data available as of who owns what of the ETF should the information be disclosed and you get access to the funds received through it?
BTC-Mining: I think I asked something like, would you honor a signed statement? Which you answered as "No"
BTC-Mining: I understood it as any signed statement by MPEx would never ever be accepted in any circumstance by MPEx.
mircea_popescu: lol you know i could say "if you only asked this two hours ago" just as well :p
mircea_popescu: or we might as well not even bother
mircea_popescu: but as explained above, this does not actually degrade anyone's ability to prove that they did own them at some point.
mircea_popescu: it specifically does not say what happens if they even later prove to have been mistakenly discarded as worthless (as in, are worth something).
mircea_popescu: "shares held discarded as worthless"
mircea_popescu: actually what it says is "held discarded as worthless"
BTC-Mining: I'd accept 6 month as a minimum.
BTC-Mining: The expected time it will take, not in as fast you could do it, but how fast it could be expected to be done according to how it's been said it's going to be done.
copumpkin: as an excuse
BTC-Mining: So on that account, I think delays should be set as such to allow the benefit of doubt that Nefario intends to repay.
BTC-Mining: Not by reviewing them later as: "Well we went on waiting 10 years, why not 100?"