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jurov: i doubt you actually went into such inconvenience as to typing everything you say on the workshop, either
pigeons: i want to make a big bet. i'm just using your money as a way to contribute interest to the community. if i lose of course i'll still pay you back in full and on time
thestringpuller: and using gribble as my arithmetic bitch
thestringpuller: albeit the bot is expensive as shit
smickles: especially coming from the midwest, this is as much desert as i want
smickles: as if i know anything about the situation, but if you own the house, spend at least some of it on the house
smickles: ).( woops, i read that as exicted
dub: may as well not even have a search function
Namjies: Consider it as majorly a US hiring freelancing Indians, at least for the marketplace.
mircea_popescu: as you know there is many websites regarding blog post , I don't know how should earn money through it ?!!
smickles: they hire the llc as a contractor,
Namjies: ... what do you want as a logo?
mircea_popescu: as opposed to all the other girls people like not for their boobies
copumpkin: oh, I'd count it as being due but not getting collected
smickles: I think you could also 'lend' a lot of money to your family, not charge interest, but be required to count a certain minimum amount of interest as income even tho you didn't charge it
smickles: if my assumptions are correct, as well as you not taking advantage of various things, it might actually be possible
smickles: it might also be possible for next year's taxes, but not this years, as it could involve operating an off-shore company for the full year
mircea_popescu: as long as you're required to sign off on the tax one, it's the one. anyone doesn't like it can stand on his head.
mircea_popescu: you sign the tax one as being correct
smickles: 18:29 < copumpkin> maybe smickles can provide a justification for the whole thing, but the best I can come up with is that a company's accounts serve a different purpose than its tax returns <<< this is true, taxes are not handled the same way as responsible accounting
mircea_popescu: but as long as you do everything the tax way you don't have a problem.
copumpkin: also, warranty expenses are fucked as well for different reasons
Ukto: in this case, they are using it as "can"
smickles: clearly we should take icbit's futures marked as an acceptable prediction of the price after the reward halving
mircea_popescu: {"info": "we can spin it as 'we are closing' and do the neatest, cleanest, best run shut-down ever..."}
mircea_popescu: "Exercises are usually done to reduce urinary incontinence,[3] reduce urinary incontinence after childbirth,[4] and reduce premature ejaculatory occurrences in men,[5] as well as to increase the size and intensity of erections.[6]" <<< there you go Diablo-D3
mircea_popescu: rather than as a business.
mircea_popescu: or do you mean specifically numbers, such as 20`000 ?
mircea_popescu: course, i see wp renders it as
mircea_popescu: this attitude as if "control" is something that's feasible, possible, desirable or even allowable is getting on my nerves.
mircea_popescu: merton is basically "let's consider holding a company as the equivalent of holding an european style call on its assets"
smickles: Also, if you still see it hard to see, why don't we use the very next two sentences in the Grinberg text: "Bitcoin supporters may similarly argue, as elaborated below, that bitcoins do not look like securities or investments, especially because there is no money- making enterprise that is attempting to raise money, and that bitcoins are instead like commodities or currencies, which are generally not regulated under the federal securities laws. Fu
smickles: Did I miss something, I thought the relevant footnote was about an digital currency and Ginburg brought it up as reference for digital currencies being unlikely to be regulated as securities in a discussion about Bitcoin being a security or not which directly impacts whether or not Bitcoin is a Ponzi scheme. --Smickles86 (talk) 02:13, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
coingenuity: as they fix the situation there with roads and electricity etc the delay will vanish pretty rapidly, but nothing we can do about freaksize hurricanes... yet!
coingenuity: so there's a bit of a delay on specific items, but we're letting folks know as needed
dub: safe to class it as 'too stupid to warrant further interaction'
jurov: You did this as to show some activity on your site. You forgot to mention that the activity is from you, the owner of the site. Do you think this is OK?
Ukto: I also dont want a certin someone >,> to go labeling my system as the asset sesspool. :P
jurov: oh that's a guy??? i read that as "grandma"... *hides*
dub: hrm? people discussing in forums as if its up, been down over a day
knotwork: and look into whether selling options both ways on such pairs you can earn as much as you had been making by loaning
knotwork: so pick any pair of this and that you have plenty of on hand and can no longer get as high interest on by loaning it
knotwork: i had to change all the plots to use logarithmic scale because otherwise all the tiny valued assets tended to vanish into the y-axis on the bottom, using log for X lets you see the tiny stuff as well as the skyrocketed stuff
knotwork: well considering t-bills are passed off as risk-free ...
knotwork: Software to handle puts and calls on arbitrary pairs of assets is badly needed. That is really coming home to people today as they ran around negotiating large puts and calls to try to prevent a tipping point that could trigger panic selling if they don't get enough, and the right, puts and calls worked out and in place
thestringpuller: you're old as shit
smickles: Oh, and a CPA can sign your 1040 as a preparer, wehre oters cant
smickles: thestringpuller: heh, just as I would've left
jcpham: and i could tear through the streets as fast as i want?
Namjies: Technically, I can't make the difference between shares owned in each account. They're aggregated as one in my list.
Namjies: Basically, as soon as you inquire about a domain/website, be sure to receive a "feel free to offer" or a 50x inflated price.
Namjies: As someone posted recently somewhere on OTC I think: http://innerslacker.com/images/argue091204.jpg
Namjies: Ah yes... well I suppose someone making an agreement he cannot honor afterward (for whichever reasons, even if forced not to honor it) could be considered as a scam, somehow...
gribble: Nick 'PsychoticBoy', with hostmask 'PsychoticBoy!~Psychotic@pdpc/supporter/active/psychoticboy', is identified as user PsychoticBoy, with GPG key id 06DC71AFE4DAC520, key fingerprint 9E476C16F877E988110787BC06DC71AFE4DAC520, and bitcoin address None
mircea_popescu: it's almost as if the western world is made of no citizens.
Diablo-D3: Chaang-Noi, gigavps: you can chime in here as well btw
Chaang-Noi: im shocked giga is doing as much as he is...
copumpkin: I wouldn't say trust is as much of an issue. The thing about a perpetuity is that the later payments are effectively meaningless
Diablo-D3: I want as little bullshit as possible
Ukto: EskimoBob: from nefario's point of view, gigavps's actions with the lawyer may actually help glbse holders further as he mentioned. nefario is afraid of lawyers/lawsuites, etc.
mircea_popescu: you are the issuer. you receive a "list" which someone meanwhile tagged as a scammer says is not complete. what do you do ?
mircea_popescu: and kept it as it originally was, private offering
Chaang-Noi: im not as in the loop as i once was, but iv not seen it posted anywhere...
Diablo-D3: and people can fight that as well
PsychoticBoy: last on mpex does not mean last on glbse as stated in contract, but beeside that no dividend etc
pigeons: PsychoticBoy: how would he "pay you back"? at the mpex last 15 day price as the contract specifies?
PsychoticBoy: I will invest as much btc a needed to...............
Chaang-Noi: i dont think giga got a lawyer as good as mine...
Chaang-Noi: he will be acting as a broker more or less
mircea_popescu: Namjies nope. as in, won;'t claim them.
mircea_popescu: no, what i'm saying is, this detail is not important, i could actually make the claim as well as they could.
mircea_popescu: i could make it just as well.
Namjies: As such I could simply claim with my signed statement from MPEx directly with that person, assuming that person will be making the claim.
Namjies: Let me guess, you have not provided GLBSE an email & BTC address? As such you're not even on Gigavps's list to start with?
mircea_popescu: Namjies you mean the contract as displayed on the etf ?
smickles: Namjies: thing is, as described, the giga.etf wasn't actually an etf
Namjies: Well I'll default on assuming it was an automatic/index one since you didn't charge a fee, even if not specified as such.
Namjies: As far as I know.
mircea_popescu: now if you imagine that i will out of my own time and money a) go through whatever hoops Y comes up with and b) pay counsel to advise as to whether those hoops are safe
mircea_popescu: they are, insamuch as they arise from the actual issuer.
Namjies: But being listed as the owner and manager of the ETF, dropping the bonds altogether because it involves legal fees doesn't seem to be the best way to do that. The ETF's manager legal liability and related costs are not ETF holders concerns.
mircea_popescu: do you understand why i'd want a lawyer to research and report as to whether i'd better claim as a real person or as a legal person ?
mircea_popescu: i'd have to research as what i'm accepting them. i'd have to research how can i handle them once accepted. i'd prolly have to take them off mpex. on it goes.
mircea_popescu: the very reason people are stuck with messes such as giga's is exactly that : they find themselves in a situation where they have to assign other people's propetyu
mircea_popescu: you mean official as in mpex or official as in nyse ?
Namjies: It's basically the premise of GLBSE as the very poor ownership proof system it had. That GLBSE's records is the ownership proof.
Namjies: As far as I'm concerned, that's good enough for claims.
Namjies: No. As far as I'm concerned, all bonds, shares, etc. on GLBSE would remain valid, even without an exchange.
Namjies: That the deposits are lost didn't matter as per the contract.
Namjies: Regardless if it's his fault or not, Mircea should honor the contract as stated, regardless of requirements. There's no exception/discharge of responsibility in various situations for the ETF manager.
Namjies: smickles: It's not his fault, it's GLBSE's. GigaVPS has to identify the claimers as GLBSE data cannot be fully trusted.
Namjies: As such, all stocks/stocks/etc. require an exchange to exist?
mircea_popescu: Namjies : i'm not doing affidavits as a proxy for anyone just cause you figure i should.
Namjies: Technically, your ETF doesn't contractually require the shares to be on GLBSE or any exchange. It says "The Owner will never own less shares of the underlying than the total float of this asset implies." No conditional statement. As such if bonds remain valid and your property, you have to claim them.
mircea_popescu: you've made some presupositions which aren't borne by the facts, but would prefer to present these as fact.
Namjies: What do you think he is doing? He's attributing bonds to each holder to continue honoring their coupons as usual.
mircea_popescu: that in the event glbse goes away the thing still carries as if nothing happened.
Namjies: The fact GLBSE doesn't deserve the appelation of an exchange because it was so bad doesn't change the fact it worked as such.
mircea_popescu: the problem here is this : the etf was an instrument to pass along value as conveyed
mircea_popescu: ftr, the entire "blogs are not a source" like of wikipedia, while they take utter junk such as news sites into account...