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mircea_popescu: i'm getting into a very "code sharing good ; open source bad" mood over here.
mircea_popescu: o noes! but how could this be! open source is a viable model! with a billion fly eyes, all weak mods are shallow! clinton 2016!
mircea_popescu: of course nopt much of a bet, someojne could just make 1mn bad mods and pump them in.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-14 23:49 shinohai: Roger Ver: "But a bunch of bitcoin supporters don't like centralized web wallets? That's crazy talk." http://archive.is/GHUXj
mircea_popescu: argentina appears a manufactured africa. not dumb by evaporation, but dumb from selective fractionation. apparently all the idiots came here. worst of italians, which is already pretty well selected for fail etc
mircea_popescu: egypt had an intensity of making a living you've not seen since jewish ghettos.
mircea_popescu: it was recently established that the best mental model for "wtf they're doing" is : if they've not seen/heard of a thing in the past two days, THEY UTTERLY FORGOT IT EXISTS.
mircea_popescu: and this isn't the end of it, or the peak of it. this is just a random example out of an endless pile.
mircea_popescu: the locals are such utter imbeciles, without those things they'd walk right into traffic. THEY DO NOT KNOW road is a thing.
mircea_popescu: for a long time we thought they were idiots in the sense, "it's for securidad - anti ice". except it never ices.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i have never hated a people, or anything, even vaguely in the same ballpark as i hate these mutant retardoids.
mircea_popescu: also a very stupid "age" bs.
phf: yeah, but as a "porn only" niche, tumblrs that would occasionally post porn mixed with random other found junk all disappeared
mircea_popescu: but yes, you correctly identify a hidden reference in my linkage
phf: before tumblr mayogendered there was a tumblr weird internet culture, thatused to post porn, internet explorer running on windows 98 screenshots, weird 3d renderings, porn, lisp screenshots, etc. basically the whole scene got destroyed by mayer with the whole "all porn is now marked as nsfw and force removed from all the search results". the weirdest, shoot-self-in-foot
shinohai: Roger Ver: "But a bunch of bitcoin supporters don't like centralized web wallets? That's crazy talk." http://archive.is/GHUXj ☟︎
trinque: those title escape codes have a lot to do with why I use exwm. c-x b (helm-buffers) then a few keystrokes and I can move through a lot of terminals quickly.
phf: maybe yahoo leak is just a ploy to tell everyone how many "users" they have.
phf: i actually missed the title bars from ion window manager (http://www.gilesorr.com/papers/otherwm2003/images/ion.manpage.png) because xterm title escape codes is one of the easiest ways to pack a lot of meta information from pretty much any cli app
phf: asciilifeform: not true ratpoison can be configured to render a 1 pixel border!!1
mircea_popescu: yeah, prolly would figure in a tmsr out-of-the-box os
mircea_popescu: what a gfx box that wasn't made by monkeys for monkeys would look like apparently remains an open question, ubuntu's not much better than period debian from what i see.
asciilifeform: ahaha yeah if you want a ~freshly made~ one, it'll cost you a fleet of migs. to build the factory again.
asciilifeform: a reasonably 4:3 is 1600x1200
mircea_popescu: (i have meanwhile fixed this, the gutting of ubuntu to make it behave like a silent and self effacing wife rather than a loud and demaning mistress takes a while)
mircea_popescu: notice, of course, that a) it is the same exact height and therefore b) it is idiotically arrogant enough to imagine being so much bigger it can afford things such as... mandatory windows title bars.
mircea_popescu: so in random sadness : back when i was a kid, resolution of everything was 1024x768. today as i am no longer a kid, thanks to progress etc, resolution of things is 1366x768, which is OMG SO MUCH BIGGER.
shinohai: "A Yahoo rep disconnected the call when asked if their user database was powered by Ethereum"
asciilifeform: because iirc i posted ~everything that is truly needed (other than a couple of undocumented commands, will deal with those some time later in january when 2nd crate is out)
asciilifeform: not only could it, but there's been a d00d serving up his www on a pic16f84, via slip, since 1990s... ☟︎
asciilifeform: sageprobe was a needle specifically made for this type of sow.
asciilifeform: in terms of the pc 'sow', imho a very promising item could be a handmade scheme in asm that fits in l0 cache. the 'nic question' (discussed in earlier thread) could be finessed in some grotesque way, for instance, consider using SLIP !
phf: seems like a very traditional thing to do though, sitting around talking about how everything went to shit since the ancestors went away
mircea_popescu: can we set aside a day for the o-woe service and be done with it ?
phf: only for the lack of trying, but even now elsewhere i'd be a regular trb guru :p
asciilifeform: there is a linux variant of this very thing, and yes, like a dog
phf: asciilifeform: i think bsd people like to compile their stack with various "i wrote this c compiler in a weekend" projects, like tcc
trinque: leaving the sinful steps unspecified might be a decent strategy.
asciilifeform: see earlier mega-thread, re how signing a binaryball is a fundamentally un-vtronic act.
trinque: the stage1 tarball is a built gcc and whatever else is needed to rebuild itself entirely, then proceeds with that system to build the rest
trinque: gotta start with a running compiler somewhere
trinque: there isn't a way to insulate from it and still bother with the bum
trinque: if I decide to clean up a bum and put him to work, I am going to have to accept the risk that he burns my damn barn down.
phf: we already have a method, which is a list of sha512 signed with a corresponding disclaimer. can do the same for any complicated project, like gentoo "here's the stage3, here's sigs for all the packages that you might possibly install"
asciilifeform: i suppose 'everybody turns into a swarm of deliberately-maintained sybils' is one way to 'vectorize signature'...
mircea_popescu: i create a key, sign the whatever dump ; for all you know a new eulora player signed a gentoo legacy v root.
asciilifeform: it's a new and poorly defined layer of moving parts
asciilifeform: well mircea_popescu suggested a 'this is my key for signing legacy c bs'. how many of these does mircea_popescu personally intend to keep ? of what types ?
mircea_popescu: what, you want to have a flood and lose it permanently ?
mircea_popescu: who THE FUCK is in a position to contest anything ?
asciilifeform: the point is that the necessary labour to make such a signature carry any weight whatsoever does not exist.
asciilifeform: what ~useful~ thing would such a signature tell to you ?
mircea_popescu: so make a "this is my key for signing legacy c bs"
asciilifeform: there is such a thing as a signature's weight.
mircea_popescu: dun see why you'd want a positive rating from that mind anywya
asciilifeform: because all of it is really a game of underhanded c contest .
asciilifeform: you would have to be a lunatic to sign, e.g., python, bash.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is actually how i ended up puzzling over 'vectorized sigs' and other, even less promising leads -- proper, honest-to-goodness signature is a 'heavy' instrument
mircea_popescu: hey, "it's a start".
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: a vtronic 'gentoo' is trivially possible except that nobody's going to sign GB of crapola.
asciilifeform: phf: how is a binary turdolade installer comparable with portage?!
phf: even dpkg/apt would be better than portage (note that dpkg and apt lets you build packages from source in a reliable and automatic way, but the setup for the process is not documented anywhere, since it's supposed to be "package maintainer technology")"
asciilifeform: when such a thing appears to work, it is because it is running on human fat
trinque: it's a mountain of hacks under the hood
phf: there's a pure musl gentoo build
asciilifeform: (though imho a fully depythonized one would be more interesting; but it would be sufficiently different animal to deserve a new name)
asciilifeform: iirc there exists a musltronic python. so a musltronic gentoo is afaik in principle possible.
trinque: got a musltronic one for example
trinque: after a very serious meeting with Trump he apparently chose to move his very serious run back from 2020.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/12/googles-youtube-bans-a-government-media-outlet/ << Qntra - Google's Youtube Bans A Government Media Outlet
asciilifeform: 'The work by Wuille and others on the SegWit proposal, which moved from testing to launch over the course of 2016, has set the stage for what will likely be bitcoin’s critical development arc in 2017. For Wuille and all the other bitcoin developers in the world, 2017 is on course for a defining year.' << lel
shinohai: http://www.thedp.com/article/2016/12/shakespeare-portrait-removed ".....replaced it with a photo of Audre Lorde, a black female writer." Such inclusiveness !
BingoBoingo: In similar news, Christmas Shopping for the frugal: Buy a Christmas Tree. Have the bottom limbs stripped off and cut it in half so the top becomes a small tree. Slice the now detached bottom log into disks. Score the bark on the disks with a knife. You now have a tree and tree scented disks to give as presents.
BingoBoingo: Anyways this is a serious Coindesk problem. People ask about doing things, decide to not do them instead doing the Silbert fiatola thing, and then make Coindesk list because it is all silbert stuff nao.
danielpbarron: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-13#1582850 << actually, eulora is a great imitation of life in this regard ☝︎
asciilifeform: no need to even be a buffett, if asciilifeform were to move out of his street, 'rents would fall' there.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-14#1583068 << maybe the dear hearts an' gentle people of iowa&co finally figured out new york's really not worth the hassle ? and stopped moving there in hopes of becoming a magazine writer with a manhattan mansion just like that carrie bradshaw irl genuine real person ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-14 05:14 hanbot: ...nah. but totally, a derpy tourist pidgin would be just the thing to take off here.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-14#1583052 << that's nothing ; in romania she asked the clerk in the fish shop for a coupla sidewalks, because english trout seemed cognate to romanian trotuar and wtf is a "pastrav". that guy is probably STILL staring into the empty space. ☝︎
ben_vulpes: someone showed me a 'data point' that supported that hypothesis recently
BingoBoingo: Nah, I have a hobby for that.
hanbot: anyway BingoBoingo a major lesson of the forum was that "nothing/nobody could be that fucking stupid" fails to pan out, and pretty much every time it's tested, too. i imagine scouting stories for qntra yields the same realization.
hanbot: ...nah. but totally, a derpy tourist pidgin would be just the thing to take off here. ☟︎
hanbot: speaking of which, i got contact lenses for the first time last week. talked to a few people here about them, then realized i'd been calling them "contact lentils" (lentejas de contacto vs lentes)
BingoBoingo: But the forum offer a flayground full of bodies to skin!
hanbot: couldn't've hurt. really though, there's nothing like travel and working for mp to give someone a pair of disdain and derision glasses.
BingoBoingo: hanbot has a gift with the verbal venom
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-13#1582795 << you live in an alt world. i don't think ANY car in buenos aires EVER averaged 50/hr over a whole day of its entire its lifetime. ☝︎
asciilifeform: (to briefly revisit upstack, for log readers, 'prolog disease' is when a language is designed in such a way that in the course of normal operation, you routinely ask the machine questions which may well be np-hard to answer; and at any rate the correspondence between the algorithmic complexity of your proggy as-written and the resulting instruction stream physically as-executed, is something other than obvious)
phf: ru still uses pascal, at least at msucmc when i did evening math school kuryachiy taught everyone C, which i later learned was a kind of rebelling. dept proper uses pascal for all course material
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's a 2 take of 1.
mircea_popescu: there's to my mind two different and unduly conjoined at the hip in practice meanings of "computer". ONE is "i need this tool to amplify my searching - false positives are not a concern, false negatives are very much a concern" ; but THE OTHER is "i need this machine to reliably do boring task for me - false positives are CATASTROPHIC, false negatives not so big a deal".
asciilifeform: (there is also pascal, but there exists , afaik, no reasonably cross-arch compiler today for it. and ada is a variation on the pascal theme anyway...)
asciilifeform: as someone who ~likes~ 'functional' languages, etc., i still must point out that it is a highly questionable business to use a language where there is not a simple, kindergarten correspondence b/w each line of the program and what the machine physically does, for safety-critical equipment.
mircea_popescu: there was a window, but i think it closed recently.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: on the contrary, it has a native compiler for x86. but i categorically am put off by the 'one implementation' thing.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-13#1582941 << i still think koi8-r was a great hack. i think cleverness of that kind is no longer popular because idiots ruined cleverness for everyone ☝︎
asciilifeform: i considered ml as a very, very close contender for 'an ada'
mircea_popescu: there's possibly a language under academia-haskell screaming to get out ; strong types and etc
asciilifeform: 'lazy computation' is -- like it or not -- a horrendous idea.