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asciilifeform: this may be, but i could not tell that this is so by the backflow from #e into #t
mircea_popescu: (arguably this is also in the past - not like i'm actually forbidding redditards to reddit, even as i am squeezing the cream from the thing)
mircea_popescu: sure, but tell you what : the headaches of managing herd would be a lot closer in your mind had you i dunno, been a mcdonalds manager in your late teens.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: at no point in my head for this thread was 'tuna can', but the headaches of fairly standard industrial robot process over which i presided some years ago
mircea_popescu: amusingly - i used to call plumbers in places where plumbing had been laid by hand. but in places where plumbing laid by robot - no need so far.
mircea_popescu: i've not decorated any robots either.
asciilifeform: this 'total robotization' thing, i can see it as a logical conclusion, but it isn't here yet. e.g., how many robots has mircea_popescu , to date, fucked ?
mircea_popescu: i suspect i might've talked to more industrial robots folks than you have over our respective careers, but be that as it may, the trend is towards not away job destruction.
asciilifeform: and often i get distinct impression that mircea_popescu is posting from a parallel future on mars : where, e.g., robots are not three orders of magnitude more expensive than well-brainwashed 'work ethic' folx working with bare hands
mircea_popescu: see, when I hire diana_coman to do dev work for eulora, OF FUCKING COURSE she gets to redefine the job on the basis of the title. because before she got it she hadn't seen the code, and after she had, for instance. or for any other reason.
mircea_popescu: aha. HOWEVER - which is why i bring all this up - the reversal is fucking evident here too.
mircea_popescu: getting back to the modern/traditional thing : there's a very visible and practically relevant distinction in trade. when i hire a modernist, i hire him to do a job, and i expect him to do a job. but when i hire a traditionalist, i am essentially assigning office. and as it is LOGICAL in that context, he may agree to any "job" specification ie burdens on the title before he gets it, while all he IS is humble applicant ; but o
mircea_popescu: just because i can't keep up with the horse doesn't mean it won't get its exercise. we have mechanics!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so if i give you a lined mat and a pile of all black tiles you thereby "still have a game of go" ?
phf: i think i'm being misunderstood. i'm saying that fake-tzars were cases of "emperor asking of you", because both tzar and barin (i.e. immediate supervisor) were seen as fundamental good. peasants consistently and historically allocated blame on various random hangerons. boyars, traders, foreigners, etc. in fact in fake-tzar cases the narrative was consistent "evil boyars have deposed our tzar-father and we won't stand for it"
phf: no, no, i'm saying the opposite. ~barin~ in this case is the dude who worked you to the bone
mircea_popescu: this "what care i" is very much a proposal to modulate behaviour ; whereas this active diatesis is not there contemplated.
mircea_popescu: fuck i love this article. "Deci, ce probleme rezolva ecologia ? Niciunele. Ecologia se bucura insa de sprijinul institutional al statului ca justificare persuasiva si credibila a nevoii de-a reechilibra administrativ dezechilibre economice induse administrativ. Tot aceleasi probleme pe care le rezolva si psihologia," -> "So, what problems does ecology resolve ? No problems. Ecology simply enjoys institutional support of the [
asciilifeform: in traditional society we also have 'emperor is far away, what care i'
asciilifeform: i can actually see the tank;
mircea_popescu: it seems credible to me qualitatively ; quantitatively i have nfi.
asciilifeform: i.e. i have nfi how many parts fact to how many parts propagandistic swill
diana_coman: but I don't expect it really changed all that much either
diana_coman: clearly, yes; tbh I had this uneasy feeling of totally back to the 80's when I went to Belarus some ...hm, 7 years ago already
mircea_popescu: no i mean, to see if live webserver.
Framedragger: for some initial additional data, i think so yeah..
mircea_popescu: i suppose even something as simple as curl $item would work really huh.
Framedragger: i guess i should rerun the scanner at some point at any rate
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i suspect bad https.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger he's an english/math teacher not a coder from what i gather.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i've run into quite a few of these
a111: Logged on 2016-11-29 16:50 asciilifeform: anyway, i have neither the time (presently grunting out a much-delayed and urgent item) nor inclination to do the entire backlog (what, 800 of these?! by now) by hand.
mircea_popescu: i thought they gamified with the "loic" thing a decade ago
EDLionX: I'm not a Kid
diana_coman: I vaguely recall some discussion touching a bit on that
diana_coman: mircea_popescu> diana_coman for some reason it decided i'm anonymous lol. <- fixed; weird though, as I can't seem to be able to reproduce whatever the issue was
ser: i told him to quit dozens years ago
ser: i'm just a silent reader
asciilifeform: actually i worked once in certain place where we had dozens of 10g portz --- but there was a logical reason
mircea_popescu: i mean the only thing this says is "we suck at system design"
asciilifeform: i have monumentally nfi why
mircea_popescu: i'd kinda like to see all these "engineers" (who, as per some random douche working for microsoft, can not be found because most "relevancy engineers" as if that's a thing already work at google) would run phuctor on.
mircea_popescu: or i guess i didn';t say. but i meant to say!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha! i said!
asciilifeform: hence posted. somewhere there live such people as the author!! what goes on in their heads? 'i am an acorn!!'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as i read the 'google' link, could think of only http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-01#1575868 , unique kunstkammer specimen ☝︎
mircea_popescu: motherfucker i want to kill this idiot.
mircea_popescu: this is an eminent case of "Yes, yes, I know how it's doublespoken - socialism is not about them making their own lives better. It's all about making "other people's lives" better. Because it's so selfless and "good" and - most importantly! - because it can't be measured. If they dedicated themselves to making their own lives better, there'd be a definitive authority to say when they failed. But if they instead pretend to be
mircea_popescu: because i run a farm for idiot us-born capons in haskell on cloud and pay 12mn/year for a 1bn items index.
mircea_popescu: holy shit, people can barely type out their name without reaching for a napkin to clear the drool, i'm going to index the 5 billionth prime number as such.
mircea_popescu: and after all that engineering optimization companies care bla bla song and dance ? "So there are definitely more than ten million unique terms on the entire internet! In fact, there’s a website out there that has all primes under one trillion. I believe there are something like thirty-seven billion of those. If that website falls into one shard of our index, we’d expect to see more than thirty-seven billion terms in a si
mircea_popescu: ex of 1B documents. Then our cost comes down to $12M/yr." << this danluu piece is the most idiotic thing i read all day. what the fuck has "cloud" done to these people that they think a 1bn index cost A MILLION A MONTH holy shit. ☟︎
asciilifeform: and afaik 1st new box since i tuned in
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-08#1579521 << i must say "probablem" is actually remarkably act for the sort of problems one encounters in the post-determinist software world. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-09-14 17:54 trinque: mosis.com was the one I found somebody talking about getting a run done for a few k
asciilifeform: i could've sworn we had a thread
mircea_popescu: this is not the matter. most girls understand, somewhere deep down, that if i come in and grab them by the hair and drag them to their cell they will at the very least love the child they conceive, and eventually learn to live the cell.
mircea_popescu: so in short, i don't even mean that it's inevitable with you or without you. it's inevitable with or without your mental constructs. the body will follow.
asciilifeform: i confess! that i had only the foggiest notion of what it was
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if i had 600k i'd buy a mig ffs
mircea_popescu: in belgium "but i am her husband" is no defense, but on the contrary, scandalous ; and in brunei "but i fucked her right" is no defense, but on the contrary, scandalous.
mircea_popescu: married woman in belgium, a modernist society, expects to fuck her husband, or another man (ie, the who is indifferent) PROVIDED they woo her properly. the what is discerning, and "i fucked him because he bought me roses just like you did 20 years ago you pig" is perfectly "rational".
danielpbarron: yeah i'm happy with it
danielpbarron: doubtful. I wouldn't know where to start, nor do i care to have one. whatever is worth reading should work in lynx, and the rest works on my phone
asciilifeform: iirc something quite similar happened when i tried.
danielpbarron: i don't think i even have a browser on this gentoo one, besides lynx
danielpbarron: i don't even care what it looks like, at least it got served. these other sites give an error in lieu of the requested page, something about unsupported browser
shinohai: I use wotpaste w/out browser, thanks to ben_vulpes help a few weeks back
a111: Logged on 2016-12-08 02:08 danielpbarron: oh, re: wotpaste and lynx? yeah i recently discovered that most non-tmsr sites won't even load on a "sane" computer (for example a gentoo with asciilifeform's crib sheet applied)
ben_vulpes: i eventually gave up on making the mimisbrunnr block renditions look acceptable in lynx
danielpbarron: oh, re: wotpaste and lynx? yeah i recently discovered that most non-tmsr sites won't even load on a "sane" computer (for example a gentoo with asciilifeform's crib sheet applied) ☟︎
thestringpuller: !~later tell cazalla I see you playing pokemon moon!
mircea_popescu: diana_coman for some reason it decided i'm anonymous lol.
phf: i'm not sure i get it. perhaps the idea is that the plot is constructed from conclusions backwards, rather than as a chain of causes and effects resulting in an outcome, then conclusion. so the setup is restricted by what actions hero must perform or what other kind of allegory
mircea_popescu: "but we did fix most of it" AHAHAHAHAHA omfg. name ONE THING mulatto-in-chief fixed. i wish to hear this wonder, the one item.
mircea_popescu: phf i suspect the entire business model is "get archive.is for pay because you don't google too well".
phf: i went looking if marco arment has published any stats for when he was running instapaper (it was $3/mo for paying subscribers and perhaps somewhat more useful) and instead found https://marco.org/2016/11/11/letter-to-young-people
mircea_popescu: that said, he does have stroing support in the sprawling i-wanna-be-a-writer collective, which may actually contain 10k who can part with $10 a year (if not the same 10k each year, still) ; and if he keeps a tight lid on costs it may well work.
asciilifeform: http://www.polaroid.com/products/onestep-600-instant-camera << holy fuq i had nfi these were still made. i have only ever seen'em at junk shops
asciilifeform: https://www.justice.gov/usao-mn/tom-petters-case-summary << somehow i slept through this
asciilifeform: http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/12/the-magic-of-polaroid-and-how-i-rescued-it-from-oblivion/ << linked somewhere from mircea_popescu's random
mircea_popescu: i'm happy to report the auto-archiver works!
asciilifeform: (they, funnily, are all on the man's www, but not indexed, every time i grep the local copy and look for same filename on his www, it's there...)
asciilifeform: wai am i looking at this-here set of nobodies instead of that-there
mircea_popescu: i was about to ask what am i looking at.
mircea_popescu: i have no interest in the misguided speculations of reddit as such, they're not a demographic as much as a random number machine.
asciilifeform: sooo the various 'omfg i lost my car and house' ethertards etc were confabulating ?
mircea_popescu: none of that last century "by god i will dig this mountain up and reshape it as a pineapple" piss and vinegar feelin' left.
mircea_popescu: i did say any~thing~. they're ecologists, they just want to imagology.
asciilifeform: but i also see no reason to think that the mega-wealthy folk publicly advertised their stashes
asciilifeform: quite truly i have nfi what precisely happened before i tuned in ( and even during; the record is not so great )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: last i recall, prb was 100% mit-powered
asciilifeform: (' i have 10,000,001 unpilferable cryptotronic magic coin; what to do now? I KNOW! i'll trade'em all in for PROMISES and HOLOGRAPHICALLY SEALED TURDS ')
asciilifeform: 'I wrote this email recommending bitcoins to Dmitry on June 18th, 2011, I hope he is rich now, since Bitcoins are up 4000% since then...' << a particle of lultronium from the comments
mircea_popescu: not so. what if i happen to be running the first and you end up my main bitch ?
phf: but so that it's not just noise, here's one thing that i used as a jumping point, http://foldr.org/~michaelw/log/programming/lisp/diff-sexp there's also a cmu archive of differs, including a working common lisp diff implementation (with a different output though) http://www-cgi.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/project/ai-repository/ai/lang/lisp/code/tools/src_cmp/0.html
mircea_popescu: phf i wouldn't worry about it.
mircea_popescu: not so, according to knowledge that i guess may have expired meanwhile.
phf: mircea_popescu: i really hope i'm not preventing ben_vulpes from hacking, i have a few previous failed attempts at doing this though
asciilifeform: neither i nor afaik anybody else knows what satoshi did prior to posting