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phf: i still remember how my hired driver crossed the state line and had to speak
a very broken english with the locals to ask for directions
mircea_popescu: well, india is
a sort of china's africa. except the chinese were too lazy to properly fuck theirs.
phf: indian children still mostly speak conlang "by this measure". there's something like 15 ~official~ dialects, all of which have
a significant post panini sanskrit incursion so that in say malayalam you have two different ~grammatical~ structures available to express the same thing, malay and sanskrit.
mircea_popescu: but w/e, maybe my very dim view of "scholarship" in the field is entirely unwarranted, i'm just
a meadhater and library contains "
a river of gold", to quote obama.
mircea_popescu: you have
a better shot at finding well written c-s implementation in the library.
mircea_popescu: now this may well be
a great use for one linguist-anthropologist's career. you wanna be it ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the problem is that for most people, language is the only thought-amplifier they have. once you teach them
a non-language they're very severely fucked.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-11 19:54 mircea_popescu: phf suppose you make an ai expert system to beat us at go. this gives you two practical options : either include 10gb worth of binary flags preset ; or else have us beat it at go for 10 centuries before it gets to where it plays like
a freshly fucked 19yo.
mircea_popescu: it's just not clear if it has much substance on the jaguar's side. but clearly when ~you~ look into its eyes, ~you~ perceive
a soul there.
phf: asciilifeform: elt is
a sequence operator, nth is
a cons cell operator. cons/car/cdr/nth/list etc. you can express nth in terms of car/cdr. you can't express elt in terms of any of those
phf: asciilifeform: last time i said that cons structures and sequences solve two entirely unrelated problems. cons specifically is
a fundamental memory management abstraction for
a von neumann machine (it solves the insert problem), so has its own set of operations that can predictable performance and behavioral characteristic.
phf: another take on this might be common lisp vs scheme. cl was standardized after the fact, existed and evolved on lisp machines. i'm looking at mit's cadr at the moment, and at
a certain point you have maclisp, interlisp, zetalisp and "common lisp" all coexisting on the same machine, 10 years before the standard was written. scheme on the other hand was esparantoed for
a purpose. the result is that as you move closer to speaking common
mircea_popescu: you will ~never provide
a better solution to the waterflow via running equations than via running the fucking water.
mircea_popescu: yes, but they were idiots in another way : much like stalin's central planning committee (as implemented by the stuart court in london) can't beat the disorganised merchants of the low countries - just so five dorks with nary
a clue can't compete with the combinatorial experimentation of the actual pigdin.
mircea_popescu: and your objection to "ukrainian" which is
a lulz much like the "croatian" for instance doesn't come and isn't informed nor supported by "the poor quality of conventions employed". it's its lack of history that marks it, correctly, as nonsense.
mircea_popescu: but the historical matrix of language (on which for instance myth is merely encoding artefact of lived experience) is the key ingredient to language - which is why romanian,
a language spoken by
a people for many years is much more powerful than enlgish,
a language spoken by much more mongrels, but not so long really.
mircea_popescu: yes, eventually, once v is so old to have been forgotten like the original calculations for the pyramids, robots will perhaps have enough linguistic history that you could pretend idiomatic-c is no less
a language than latin.
mircea_popescu: language ~is
a convention~, yes, but it is ~made from~ experience ; not consensus. people don't say "people" to denote people because ~they~ agreed to, but because people in the past ~have~.
mircea_popescu: anyway ; language reform sometimes works - but this because it was
a language, not because it was reform. similarily to how cutting fruit trees works, but this is because they are trees, not because of the cutting. if you cut
a broom whatever way it's not gonna make plums.
mircea_popescu: nor do the average old women who put forth their usual menopausal engineering pretense within my earshot and get treated to
a large helping of stfu and make sandwiches.
mircea_popescu: i have no fucking idea why the postmenopausal worldview is even tolerated by actual engineers ; if i thought myself one i'd actually spend half my time having people
a la "we'll make
a language" whipped at the public stake
mircea_popescu: and engineered languages are exactly an island of dr moreau,
a place that
a) can't exist and b) whose only conceptual function is to show how fucking unbearably tedious old women are.
mircea_popescu: anyway. an airplane is very strictly not
a bird without feathers ; there's no relation to
a bird whatsoever, an airplane is
a sort of bus not
a sort of bird.
mircea_popescu: this can be trivially verified at any party of models/sluts where we invite
a few engineers.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform
a language is not
a car nor an aeroplane. also engineers are not nearly as important ; or powerful as they like to pretend.
mircea_popescu: the ignorance of random john smiths with "progressive" delusions of self importance is scarcely
a basis for existence.
mircea_popescu: this is
a stupid idea, not unlike "to make more compact human, without apendix, tonsils etc"
mircea_popescu: it's not
a ~real~ language, but
a very pathetic ersatz.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform tbh, the reason
a "constructed language" is readily forgotten is precisely the fact that it was constructed.
shinohai has
a Qntra on Chinese Gox when BingoBoingo awakens
trinque: mircea_popescu: looks like just
a mount flag in fstab
a111: Logged on 2016-12-22 07:35 jurov: and to give my 2c also on sql, while it's possible to use some portable standardized ansi sql subset, essential stuff like prepared queries need
a database driver
mircea_popescu: (while the store-by-hash txn scheme promises at most 256 directories OR 65536 files however in practice finding 65536 contiguous hash txn seems rather unlikely for
a while yet)
mircea_popescu: jurov in principle the address of
a block is something like /44/4600 for the latest, so 2char dir + 4 char name
ben_vulpes: and yes, phf, when i am not exhausted i will also produce
a genesis.
ben_vulpes: mod6, asciilifeform, trinque, phf, mircea_popescu, and anyone else tracking vtronic gnashing: i dusted off and rewrote my cl V implementation. i'll follow up sometime tomorrow with more demo usage, and
a more robust demonstration of wot-variant pressing.
http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/juTpM/?raw=true ben_vulpes: jurov: sql just falls out of "i shall make tmsr
a block explorer", no more, no less.
jurov: and to give my 2c also on sql, while it's possible to use some portable standardized ansi sql subset, essential stuff like prepared queries need
a database driver
☟︎ jurov: mircea_popescu: ext4 has 256Binodes, and "The target of
a symbolic link will be stored in inode if the target string is less than 60 bytes long."
ben_vulpes:
a few minutes of thinking while working on something related did clear this up for ben_vulpes
mircea_popescu: "i ended up with
a woman in my bed i don't know." "how ?"
ben_vulpes: without
a flow that renders all patches. but fine
ben_vulpes: i expect it to be
a royal pain to run down "which patch is missing sigs and breaking the flow from genesis to whatever"
a111: Logged on 2016-12-22 02:38 ben_vulpes: but if it doesn't show me which patches are lacking sigs, that strikes me as
a bug.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-22 02:32 mod6: you will, you must, have everything signed for it to show up in
a pressable flow.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-22 02:28 mod6: it sounds like everyone wants instead,
a general overhaul to get to the 'wot variant press' instead, which would also fix the bug, because these vpatches, without
a corresponding seal, would simply be ignored.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-22 01:59 phf: well, since collective reaction is "tis but
a scratch" i have nothing else to say, and will happily await mircea_popescu's unrate
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-22#1587972 << it's altogether unclear where did you get this "celebrated is its ability to support
a scientific dialog" ; got
a link or something ? seems more the case what was celebrated was its ability to put
a wrench through imperial-style "scientific dialog" where "we dindu nuttin wrong".
☝︎ ben_vulpes: it's
a very special haskellian snowflake that makes it so i don't have to think about that so nyah
ben_vulpes: that is
a very liberal use of the acronym
mircea_popescu: in theory the above should be uberefficient sqling of
a blockchain
ben_vulpes: surely
a symlink wouldn't eat more than
a few bytes now would it
mircea_popescu: aaaanyway. mimi's in
a fine position to try this out, attach old drive, write script to spit them out as per schema, see what occurs.
mircea_popescu: more importantly, why is this not ~exactly~ like saying "doh, of course you can't fill
a drive with text files". dude what.
mircea_popescu: and b) wtf happens once you load
a drive with this nuttery.
mircea_popescu: ok so
a) gotta see if ext2 / ext4 CAN EVEN HOLD this many symlinks. like, at all.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: this way you don't actually have to ~index~ anything, if you wish to see where txn 1234567890 was included in
a block, you go to /12/34/56/7890 which points to block x
☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: you'd end up with (as proposed there)
a directory tree like 20 layers deep, with thousands of symlinks in each.
ben_vulpes: chiptune christmas, if you want to give any olds
a migrane
ben_vulpes:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-20#1586531 << i don't recall the proposed tests, actually. i mulled on this for
a bit, am reluctant to try any sort of implementation until i finish the sqlator which
a) is probably just sunk cost fallacy rearing its head, as i've done not much there but design the schema and prep
a massive ingest job and b) has now been bumped down my todo list *again* in favor of vtronic
☝︎ BingoBoingo: Seriously, no one wants fucking bentgrass outside of
a putting green
mircea_popescu: bitcoin'd certainly be infinitely stronger were it the result of
a concurrent development effort in this style.
mircea_popescu: and on the other hand, i suppose it's entirely possible that if
a years-made-wiser satoshi tried to release bitcoin, it'd have been done in the manner of how we did vtrons not in the manner of how he did bitcoin, ie, "here's what should happen - anyone who wants to participate make one"
a111: Logged on 2016-12-22 01:58 asciilifeform: there is
a 'harem-v' and
a 'forum-v'
mircea_popescu: this opposition may be less categorical than it seems here, and may evolve in time, but i suspect even if
a continuous function it'll never be convex.
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-22#1587923 << i am fwiw satisfied that it's qutie mroe than this : vs aren't on btcbase because they don't fundamentally belong on btcbase, because unlike public trb "we all use this" they're private "my girl will dance the way ~i~ want her to dance and stfu". there's
a much more limited set of rules re what vtrons should do ; than re what trbs should do.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2016-12-22 01:44 asciilifeform: i ended up turning that into
a warning, vs fatal, but it looks like i never posted this variant.
mod6: i mean, we could do it that way... where the printable flow tells you which do not have sigs, but then impl-wise, they must be two different lists as to not inadvertantly press out
a WILD vpatch. that, or re-check the flow at press time.
ben_vulpes: but if it doesn't show me which patches are lacking sigs, that strikes me as
a bug.
☟︎ ben_vulpes: that we print it as
a list is an unfortunate accident.
mod6: but i apologize, and see that this is the wrong way. and there is
a better way.
mod6: this is why they exist in the first place, these WILD vpatches, because my impl wasn't written with this in mind. i was more written with the idea that
a guy would place things in .wot/.seals/patches by hand and would know what is what.
mod6: you will, you must, have everything signed for it to show up in
a pressable flow.
☟︎ ben_vulpes: (and in the absence of
a WILD boolean, asciilifeform's pain-receptor-switch)