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ben_vulpes throws a coffee mug at phf

mircea_popescu: will probably end up with a tmsr crypto lib anyway, might as well start thinking about it.

ben_vulpes: might be more practical to make a genesis for the fixed version

mircea_popescu: no practical way to just steal the sha itself make it a standalone ?

phf: "you can't fix a machine by just power-cycling it with no understanding of what is going wrong"

ben_vulpes: the one time i want a package manager to have the most recent commits...

mod6: tmsr aught to send out a message to them saying their shit dun work

ben_vulpes: i'm also not really in a mood to make ironclad_genesis.vpatch today

trinque: also a link on the page.

trinque: ben_vulpes: www-wot package farts out a bunch of json index files for the search

trinque: that it came out as a trollface smiley is a sign from the gods.

mircea_popescu: btw are you foundation people gonna make a prize gala or something ?

mircea_popescu: then in a few centuries tmsr guard can protect the scotuspope much like the swiss guard in rome today. nice hats and all.

mircea_popescu: sounds like a reasonable basis for an actual state.

mircea_popescu: which i suppose is the main strategic direction of tmsr - in a few years they either pay us to "secure" all systems or else the systems burn down. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: as a point of sovereign strategy, you always want to trade with the smallest and toughest of the neighbours - it's productive, plus it softens them up ; and to loot and pillage the largest, softest of neighbours (preferably under the guise of "being allies" and "keeping the peace" if possible, but outright rapine otherwise).

mircea_popescu: there's an important business strategy point here that's not discussed among the chickens, but hark : it is actually a better business strategy to sell to isis than to us consumer - because isis is still on the ground in spite of usg shooting missles at it ; whereas us consumer is barely standing in spite of usg pumping all it can print straight into him.

a111: Logged on 2014-02-13 00:54 asciilifeform: 'carding' as we know it is actually a creature of u.s. and british banks. which profit from it.

mircea_popescu: ~same came of either +/- a blowjob or two.

ben_vulpes: kinda think "not working totally incidental" has not been a favor to its recipients.

mircea_popescu recalls meeting cca i dunno, 2005 maybe ? dorks were going to make a shop, made demo, mark (eldery expat, texan, totally lovely) innocently goes "wouldn't this be a lot better if it worked ?"

ben_vulpes: (at least the magento folks have the decency to call their phpball a "site")

trinque: maybe you get a comment sometime or whatever.

ben_vulpes: "i tell ya tho, all that time you spend tweaking emacs is entirely useless." *navigates to precise spot of insanity* "well that's cool, but emacs is still a waste of time, i coulda found that on github in a few seconds"

phf: asciilifeform: i literally don't spend ~any time~ learning web on my own. i simply have this unprecedented apparently ability to sit the fuck down and read the documentation/source code for longer then it takes to google twitch. spend 3 hours of reading docs??? forget about it, i might as well be a wizard of some sort.

mircea_popescu: (i also thought that it was a lulzfest to rival that wikipedia founder/retard's crazy batshit "knowledge" thing)

mats: heh, half a dozen folks i know at tripadvisor are likely still there because boss is ok with consuming a growler before noon

phf: asciilifeform: but i ~learned~ web 2.0 when it came out in 2004 or 2005 or so, back then because it was interesting new technology. literally nothing changed since then. so now web is an easy racket. despite all the "shitstack" cries there's no difference between it and other types of manure work, but the bar is so low, it is sometimes very convenient. if you're a ~good~ developer doing web, you can write your own check, write your own

phf: asciilifeform: i also did physical security, actually my biggest lisp project was modifying FREEDIUS to do perimeter security on multiple large south african compounds. they needed to do coordinated incident escalation and wanted something more sophisticated then a wall of monitors

ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: that'd be how i actually learned anything useful, finding a master jumping when told.

ben_vulpes: i'm also experimenting with alternative identities, imagining wearing a food truck, to see "how the other half lives"

ben_vulpes: i have been considering buying a few beat up tow and box trucks and getting into the hauling of cars and storing of shit

ben_vulpes: i once sat in on a sales meeting where this security gentleman terrorized a poor nonprofit into wasting tens of thousands of dollars on snake oil

ben_vulpes: "just want"ing an office with a keg

jurov: yes yes, just a way to raise awareness and for BingoBoingo to scoop some more precious shares :)

asciilifeform: we had a thread.

asciilifeform: jurov: possibly because they are sop since a couple of years ago ?

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-27#1591256 << it still blows my mind that a proggy that erroneously calculates ~standard~ sha512 was actually released ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2016-12-27 16:39 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-27#1590876 << i suspect that ironclad is still one of the better platforms to audit and integrate into own ecosystem. short of waiting for p what other options do you have? ffi to openssl? the code is readable, in the past year munchkins have been adding various algos to it, so you know what to cut, but also gives you a nice blueprint of how to extend etc.

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: if the solution is in java, then it isn't a solution, and chances are that your 'problem' is also not a problem

a111: Logged on 2016-12-27 17:13 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes pray tell why do you recommed unity in favour of eulora ? eulora bots exist as a matter of fact, with people hacking on them and repl-ing the results after a 10 minute compile. what equivalent to this does unity offer ?

asciilifeform: like the proverbial awl in a sack.

mircea_popescu: "i'm a dancer-poet slash cook-plumber"

asciilifeform: in other lulz, some d00d is carefully, slowly crawling phuctor using ~dozen linode boxes (why the effort! why not write in, get a copy of the db, like normal people)

asciilifeform: ng) a half dozen different subsystems. It's a complexity snowball.'

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-27#1591202 << i have NO FUCKING IDEA why technical monkeys would wish to misrepresent themselves with this ceo business. being a ceo is entirely orthogonal on what they do, it's like a car mechanic claiming he's a fuel chemist. no good can possibly come of this. ☝︎

asciilifeform: (it ain't a hare, the kind in the woods, but a beam of sunlight a kid throws around with something shiny, for amusement)

asciilifeform just realized that he has nfi what a 'солнечный зайчик' is called in english

mircea_popescu: "this is the painting of a knife without a handle that's missing the blade."

asciilifeform: (orlol translates this as 'bum garden. what's yer problem, it's just as much a 'garden' as an office park is a 'park' !'

phf: it's active ~disempowerment~, because opengl is already a tricky state machine, but they are trying to manipulate it by controlling a puppet that's using chopstick to toggle switches on a pdp-10 that has effects on the environment state. i'm sure ~if you don't need unity~ you can filter out all the noise, but good luck if that's your first exposure to 3d

asciilifeform: and wtf is a 'coworking space'

phf: discussing the moon phases of successful appstore game releases with their shamans, i spent about an hour shoulder surfing one of the "main devs". guy was trying to get a texture to render without artifacts (ultimately it's a texture mapped to a surface in opengl and if you don't want the opengl's scaling to kick in you have to get the size just right), and literally everything that he was saying was in terms of "i read this one

phf: there's a gamedev coworking in philly, the space is primarily rented by some team that had a handful of successful releases in appstore. naturally games written in unity. they can't rent by themselves, but as a minor celebrity (game featured on appstore frontpage for a whole two weeks!1) they can share rent with a handful of other 1-2 people teams. i went there once before finding all this out, because was expecting a scene squat. after

mircea_popescu: and the ~only way~ innocent grasshopper could even know about this is if graybeard can be arsed to go through these motions - which you couldn't pay me to do as a regular thing.

mircea_popescu: now the fucking code "that's easy to get up" will have to contain a pi radian check because otherwise clocks may be going backwards.

mircea_popescu: and of course b is in the fine print and of course this just became a fine example of the discussion itself.

mircea_popescu: degrees, often EulerAngles are a better choice."

mircea_popescu: oh, hey, I KNEW this was gonna be in there. a) "I recommend using quaternion variables to represent two things: an object's rotation, and/or a rotation which you'd like to apply to some object." ; b) "You cannot represent rotations of greater than 180 degrees with Quaternions, and when doing a Slerp() or MoveTowards() rotation with Quaternions, the rotation always take the shortest path. So if you need to rotate more than 180 ☟︎

mircea_popescu: meanwhile the last time anyone produced a game the wtc was still standing.

mircea_popescu: with any luck there's a Heisenberg.ToSchroedinger first class function implemented in this unity thing and it runs permanently in the background.

mircea_popescu: these people can't find a simple limit in their head and yet fucking vectors are no good for them anymore.

mircea_popescu: do you understand this Framedragger ? there is a ~COST~ to this "getting going fast", and that cost is - you give up ON UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE FUCK YOU'RE DOING!

asciilifeform: 'And you're right: we were not out to win over the Lisp programmers; we were after the C++ programmers. We managed to drag a lot of them about halfway to Lisp. Aren't you happy?' -- steele (yes, that one, of CLTL!)

mircea_popescu is vaguely unfamiliar, is there a link ?

phf: right, in a sense that "pros" are as much of an illusion

mircea_popescu: for that matter, "ai" wouldn't be confused with a large bank of switches.

mircea_popescu: if the average programmer were literate as opposed to marginally qualified clucker, a) configuration wouldn't be confused with programming and b) vice-versa either.

phf: well, yes, but mcdonalds is not the best analogy. it's commodification. "buy this thing that all the pros use and be just like a pro! comes with EASY TO USE controls!"

mircea_popescu: and the whole thing relies on a certain blindness of "why is the tomato green on your cash register but blue in my plate and shouldn't tomatoes be red to begin with" which is the very bread and butter of both "mit is the premier science and technology institution at the world series" as well as "thank you for your leadership we will conqueliberate mosul in two weeks three years ago. or four."

asciilifeform: the key here, for n00bz, is that there is literally not 1 byte in there that does not have 1) a specific purpose, 2) that you can discern from looking at the cpu docs -- which fit on 1 a4 sheet of paper.

phf: license it you'd get source, technotes and some scripting thing. at some point somebody discovered that if you have enough of "some scripting thing", you can keep the engine closed source, thus creating a market of unity/unrealengine/etc.

phf: at some point you had engines, and if you wanted to license an engine you got the whole thing, source and ~technological~ notes. later engines started getting in-house nooks and crannies so that your wizard team of mainloop development can focus on squeezing extra couple of ms for a cycle, while your lesser mortals can write the scenario logic etc. there was a reasonable sweet spot there like Aurora or Gamebryo where if you wanted to

mircea_popescu: holy shit "Quaternion.Euler" is a full blown core function. and wait, there's more : http://answers.unity3d.com/questions/765683/when-to-use-quaternion-vs-euler-angles.html ☟︎☟︎

mircea_popescu: i daresay a goto-ridden program is saner than this.

diana_coman: there is no scheme and no notion of scheme, because only interface and you know a bit country style: what do you mean you don't know how to get to X? EVERYBODY knows

mircea_popescu: there's a problem with these "obvious" things that are only ever obvious in retrospect.

diana_coman: Framedragger, it's not the syntax, it's the whole "approach"; though if you find *that* acceptable, I guess you'll find planeshift code just as acceptable with all its 20-level dependency hell, mix-and-match mess of concepts (hey, what IS a concept anyway and what do you mean there is something other than interface anyway)

mircea_popescu: at some point someone recounted me an anecdote about the indian minded programmers using like a dozen empty for loops in lieu of sleep ; and then when one was hired to optimize the code he did a nested for loop, the inner being one of the previous and the outer equal to their count.

mircea_popescu: i suppose he has a point - and if you're trying to make one of those clock walls, you'll just you know, paste down the code three or five or n times with various offsets on the TimeSpan timespan = DateTime.Now.TimeOfDay; plus should one of the clocks have to go backwards you'll paste the code once more but put a minus somewhere (which maintenance will take off because automated bounds checking indicated they should - and befo

phf: you ~script~ it in C#, by knowing just the right combination of widgets available out of a large collection of widget classes.

Framedragger: it's a fucking clock.

mircea_popescu: every method can in principle be *fast* from a certain perspective, horseback travel is blazing cca 1100. but for making a clock appled my time budget does not exceed a quarter hour nor am i willing to do much more than A COUPLA LINES!

Framedragger: i'll link to tutorials i went thru in a sec

Framedragger: you can build complex shit fast there. that's a thing.

a111: Logged on 2016-12-27 17:11 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-27#1591017 << since theme of the day appears to be sidechanneling, commonlisptrons lacking a separate cons pool for crypto ops, noncacheability hints, etc. are ripe for the treatment

mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes pray tell why do you recommed unity in favour of eulora ? eulora bots exist as a matter of fact, with people hacking on them and repl-ing the results after a 10 minute compile. what equivalent to this does unity offer ? ☟︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-27#1591017 << since theme of the day appears to be sidechanneling, commonlisptrons lacking a separate cons pool for crypto ops, noncacheability hints, etc. are ripe for the treatment ☝︎☟︎

mircea_popescu: fancy we're at the sad stage of decay where i am going to use a vague memory of another as to something i myself said as a reference point.

a111: Logged on 2014-12-10 00:51 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu had an article (or perhaps a thread here? but can't seem to find it...) about an archetypical u.s. expat. fellow keeps a pub somewhere in thailand, or cambodia, etc. the locals - drink for free. he fancies that if he begins to run out of dough, he can always start charging. but somehow in the back of his head he knows what will happen to his sorry arse if he were to do so.

phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-27#1590876 << i suspect that ironclad is still one of the better platforms to audit and integrate into own ecosystem. short of waiting for p what other options do you have? ffi to openssl? the code is readable, in the past year munchkins have been adding various algos to it, so you know what to cut, but also gives you a nice blueprint of how to extend etc. ☝︎☟︎☟︎

Framedragger: BingoBoingo: it's a single php file, relatively elegant i'd say. the logic is in redirect() (line 212 on v1.07 of plugin) if you want to verify lack of satan. seems ~relatively harmless but i no wp plugin masta

phf: ~proper~ ffi in a form of ctypes and "(we exist in own bubble!1) CFFI" has only been added really recently. maybe 5-10 years

phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-27#1590973 << hah, pycrypto is ~all~ c. python has this ffi mechanism, where import can work on an .so and there are standard hooks for registering/providing python object equivalents from your c code. in this case i don't think there's a single python line in pycrypto at all ☝︎

Framedragger: i don't know if redirection plugin does that. if you mean that a plugin would add a new line to htaccess then yeah that's retarded. don't think that's how it works

BingoBoingo: Plugins that demand access to htaccess are a no-no

Framedragger: there's a wp plugin but maybe policy against such works of satan

asciilifeform: it is not about primes at all, aha, but about the ancient proverb where 'you can't hide an awl in a sack'

mircea_popescu: incidentally, there must also be a "timing" attack that relies not on time but on properties of integers. and no i don't mean birthday attack - if your hashing is an arithmetic process then necessarily the fundamental fact that "primes count is log integers count" in some sort of restatement is going to bite you somewhere.