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mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski i expect once the land/ownership update makes it in, eulora will give a run for their money to a lot of peoples.
asciilifeform: i can picture variations that increase cost (e.g., higher bitrate, and internal battery) but the basic idea cannot be improved, no.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-20 22:11 phf: i'd imagine in sane world they would have something like FUCKGOATS or an expensive variation of (like john walker's hotbits) so can publish schematics all you want. in reality it is probably a prng with a seed under two keys
asciilifeform: but there were (and, not too long ago, i saw -- still are!) 'security'-flavoured talismans.
mircea_popescu: phf but if you're up for some utter wtf, can always try "this must be the place". i have no idea what i saw.
mircea_popescu: (this, i come to realise, is a major block for my watching ~any video sf. back when the people involved weren't idiots, the machines weren't yet capable.)
phf: well, sucks. i have fond memories of it, so i'm not even going to try. like i watched a tv show that was popular in ru in mid90s, "quantum leap". i could barely sit through a handful of eposides and only because i was trying to see if it'll get any good..
mircea_popescu: i just don't go for the whole carny show with the facepaint and the star wars papier mache models.
mircea_popescu: phf i tried recently and couldn't stand it. the cheapo roadshow really irks me. it's almost like watching that dude "commenting", what's his face
phf: mircea_popescu: while you're in that french mode you should watch (or rewatch?) fantômas. there's the three 1960s ones, with de funes. i have no idea if they are any good, because i haven't seen them for a very long time, but i suspect that they are sort of comedic 60s take on james bond.
phf: i always thought of him as a pretty boy who can hold a certain pose. that's why i think purple noon is great, where he fits perfectly because he looks young, fresh, aloof and arrogant. but his other stuff is forgettable. i think he had some tv show where he played a middle aged detective, where he was great again, by virtue of being the right age
mircea_popescu: aaand i just looted ~half a btc worth of dagsden flags in eulora. mwahaha.
phf: fwiw his purple noon is great, i think it even got the trilema treatment?
mircea_popescu: last i fell alseep on alain delon. holy shit is that period weird.
asciilifeform: btw this is something i've already been doing for ages, bedtime lxr
mircea_popescu: no, it wasn't, as i don't actually propose any changes to processblock. it can go wholesale in b.blockchain
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-20#1586803 << you are attempting the wrong operation, which is the problem. cut where i toldja not where you feelta. ☝︎
phf: that's fair, i think we had a thread, when you first started working on this, with various schemes. "use the optics on your iphone" etc.
asciilifeform: given as it is not physically possible to audit an analogue rng in the same sense as one can audit the digital board (i.e. by putting a TB of random through it, and comparing what comes out other end to the expected), i expect that plenty of folks will choose to build their own analogue unit.
asciilifeform: fwiw (and i may have explained it in the past) FUCKGOATS will work with, e.g., a geiger, or anything else that can supply 1/0 signal
phf: i'd imagine in sane world they would have something like FUCKGOATS or an expensive variation of (like john walker's hotbits) so can publish schematics all you want. in reality it is probably a prng with a seed under two keys ☟︎
asciilifeform: i will also add that tests, for what they're worth, are worth 0 if they are not of YOUR PARTICULAR device which YOU OWN
phf: yeah, that's what it looks like. i wonder if in your explorations of state of rng you came across any offical GCB evaluation of casino rngs, i don't know if those would even be public or have technical detail...
asciilifeform: i gotta wonder, what the euthor of 'pdfminer' was smoking.
ben_vulpes: and i don't recall it well enough to find. alas.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i've ruminated on this as well before
asciilifeform: i will admit, that i many times sat down to do this.
ben_vulpes: all of a sudden i want to collect data on how long trb takes to return from a simple getinfo call, per your above protocol
asciilifeform: and yes i end up with multi-GB logs. but they are quite informative.
asciilifeform: aaaah see i don't rotate.
ben_vulpes: i may also need to adjust my log rotator, 1 gig of bitcoind logs is...not actually that much history.
asciilifeform: initially idea was that it would be a kind of load balance arrangement, if one were in blackhole state, connections would rout to other. but in the end i did not bother with this, and simply let one hang behind the other, and used the setup simply to observe how 'blackholing' propagates.
asciilifeform: at one time i ran a barbaric experiment where same box would run ~two separate~ instances of trb
mircea_popescu: i suspect it can be done by surgery without the two parts ~even knowing~ they're not satoshi-full-bitcoin.
asciilifeform: i'll add to this that in trb as we have it, you ONLY need blockchain to verify a potential mempool tx
tb0t: Project: trb, ID: 35, Type: I, Subject: Investigate blackhole, Antecedents: , Notes: Investigate what might be occuring with the so-called black-hole, described here: btcbase.org/log/2016-12-20#1586635
asciilifeform: queueing is sane but i will point out that from the other side, a node that doesn't answer immediately because it queued, is not distinguishable from one that doesn't answer because it is spinning wheels on block verification.
mod6: !%a trb I "Investigate blackhole" "Investigate what might be occuring with the so-called black-hole, described here: btcbase.org/log/2016-12-20#1586635"
mircea_popescu: myeah. i have no problem with the baruch spinoza approach, esp when eg, dealing with viri etc. but it's not a universal wrench.
asciilifeform: the necessary experiment is i think quite obvious and i do not need to describe it in detail.
asciilifeform: something that comes down the wire. precisely what, i do not yet know.
ben_vulpes: i don't expect to be able to make an rpc call while the node is looping through its list of peers and get 'the right' peer shat out
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i mean when the node is running through 'accepted connection' 'socket no message in first 60 seconds'
asciilifeform: i.e. is the very worst kind of mutilation of 'grandfather's pistol' conceivable.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-20#1586638 << i was able to reproduce a very similar effect. simply throw blocks at a node that don't fail verification until the very end. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: anyway, i've been rereading period warnings about myself, it's been rather pleasant.
ben_vulpes: but i mean blackholing as artifact of some other poorly written client, instead of script opening sockets to trb nodes
ben_vulpes: i doubt itll show up on solipnet
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski speaking of which - i didn't use "spreadsheets" like the fucking usg tards ( http://trilema.com/2012/law-enforcement-never-fails-to-unintentionally-entertain/ ) or for that matter wordperfect 5.1 ; nor did i have any use for a pdf maker. the whole article came out of an awk and a sort
pete_dushenski: nostril plugs i imagine
pete_dushenski: heh sure why not. but i love when old blog posts still stir the pot. it's even more satisfying than when the hot-off-the-presses sheets light some pubes on fire.
pete_dushenski: if you mean the latest mpex debate as referenced in 'what lasts forever', ya the leclerc (pankkake?) feller and i had a little back-n-forth
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski the latest bit is easily your best piece yet. people generaly hated because yes, throughout the lenghty process you sounded ~like every other jew boy reading the torah for bar mitzvah, ie, ridiculous. but insistence pays off, and now i dun have to groan when reading your stuff, which is a welcome change indeed.
asciilifeform: 'The raw power of computers has advanced at a stunning speed, but has this advance translated into a comparable improvement in their usefulness? Word processing, to take the most obvious example, hasn't fundamentally improved since the late '80s. And in the view of many people I know, WordPerfect 5.1 for DOS was actually better for their purposes than any of the bloatware that has followed.'
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-01#1561093 << I believe it starts here ☝︎
mod6: i think i found it.
mod6: meanwhile, i stumbled across this SoBA that references the tabling of the checkpoints patch: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000041.html
mircea_popescu: so technically jurov is right : i'll burn down this uganda and make a new one, fuck 'em. this pretense of independent existence everyone keeps trying to put up is sickening to me.
a111: Logged on 2015-06-24 21:05 mircea_popescu: punkman because a) when i first asked, their idea was "buy a mug" ; b) the link i finally fished out did not include any reference either i or fluffypony found (see it in logs) - they have A DIFFERENT unlinked page for this purpose
mircea_popescu: i suppose it isn't to be a surprise that in a world where the doctor expects you to pay him for him to do what ~he~ feels ; and the lawyer is strictly shocked that his position as counsel is STRICTLY to do all the legwork you don't feel like doing and absolutely not to do any of the cool management stuff, cuz you're paying and you're gonna be eating that - the charity dudes similarly expect nsa oodlebunches of moneyz
davout: i remember the openbsd thing but not the blender one
mircea_popescu: i'm rather independently VERY soured on "donation" to the idiot parade.
davout: precisely why i wouldn't do it again
mircea_popescu: myeah. if you absolutely want comment i'd point out that wtf "charity", the guy on the ground in uganda isn't even in the wot ; and wtf arrogant google developers shouldn't be entertained, but really there's no problem with trying and whatever.
davout: except for the fingers i guess
mircea_popescu: i thought it was some gypsy who lost a finger through the unlikely avenue of filling a caravan full of papier-mache flowers and then using gasoline for lube when fucking his 16yo wife.
davout: yeah that's me! i recognize that avatar's smug smile
davout: mircea_popescu: takes ages to load, i'm 33 and what is this
mircea_popescu: jurov dude may i just not know everything to the level of l0 cache here for a minute!
davout: jurov: the less i use my euro stuff the better :D
jurov: davout: i can help. you can't wire eur easily anymore?
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-19#1586383 << http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/XDTr8/?raw=true ; note that i use the wrong command `getmempool' (line 8587), and that my rpc command of `getmemorypool' doesn't show up at all in the log, but some thirty seconds after the bogus `getmempool' the blackhole symptoms kick in ☝︎
ben_vulpes: crime 1: n = 43 (i am /so/ impressed)
ben_vulpes: https://freenode.net/news/PSA-brief-update-infra << 'sekuridee measures have been instigated!' oh good thanks exactly what i want, a riot in the dc
ser: I'm sure he's some ether
mircea_popescu: i'd be surprised if he made much more than living expenses.
asciilifeform: (why the 'rainin' pipette ran on them, i have nfi to this very day, ask the french not me)
asciilifeform: funnily enough, at my first paying jerb i used up dozens of these batteries, electric pipette ran on'em, and i had nfi why they were interesting other than 'bitch to get'
asciilifeform: btw if anyone knows where one might buy breadboard bigger than this, i'm all ears.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-20#1586446 << i think you mentioned before, but you had some sikrit hardware raid that you were reasonably happy with? i've been doing some cleanup on my data, throwing out old usb drives and such, i've been meaning to replace software raid (which is ... spotty) with something that i don't have to think about ☝︎
mircea_popescu: prolly mature enough by now i guess. anyway shouldn't be a huge thing.
mod6: lemme see if I can dig that part up too.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 that "separate config file" references what i recall as a previous discussion. << aha, now i recall. I think the suggestion was that one could, from a config file, turn checkpoints on or off, or add new ones if they wished.
mircea_popescu: mod6 that "separate config file" references what i recall as a previous discussion.
mod6: which i guess was all in response to alf's question just above: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-06-24#1174408 ☝︎
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 got al ink ? << i'll dig it up once im caught up here...
mod6: <+asciilifeform> the one caveat that i can think of is that it may very well turn out to be unusably slow (as in, >10min block verify), on anything but reiser. (if there even.) << would be great to start experimenting with this in '17
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> ben_vulpes iirc the discussion at the time ended with me pointing out it should be made arbitrary to user's choice. << there was a whole public discussion on this at the time. and at that point, i backed away from it.
mircea_popescu: that's exactly what i mean. when that happens.
mircea_popescu: "pogo is cheap" no it's not, i'm not buying one.
mircea_popescu: no, i mean the kind of cheap you're talking about, "oh, soy is cheap and gold is expensive". volumes scale, soy is sold in the ton and gold in the ounce. there's no "cheap" ; if it's 20 a pop you bundle 1k together.
asciilifeform: though i can think of a few exceptions ( transport for, e.g., cray, or connection machine - and yes, i knew a d00d whi bought connection machine! is not easy or cheap ) -- generally old hardware of the interesting sort ( vs everybody's old 386 ) is cheap
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron i mean that if some guy who is actively developing for some iron is shying away from buying a piece because he only has part of the money i'd consider cutting a deal.
mircea_popescu: well he says ukraine, i don't imagine he means sevastopol.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the notion that russia was at some point popular in the ukraine is utterly insane. when was this exactly, i don't get it, before or after the muscovy went to space ?
a111: Logged on 2016-12-19 23:23 danielpbarron: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-19#1586263 << i'm trying to get eulora working on some new machines, they came with video cards, official nvidia driver doesn't work on latest linux kernel, (works fine on older kernel) but somehow this is nvidia's fault for not releasing a free fix every time someone comes up with another way to make a driver stop working
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-19#1586393 << this is actuyally a very valid complaint ; i'm not necessarily proposing the finn's right. ☝︎
danielpbarron: 4.1.35-gentoo is what i had to go back to
danielpbarron: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-19#1586263 << i'm trying to get eulora working on some new machines, they came with video cards, official nvidia driver doesn't work on latest linux kernel, (works fine on older kernel) but somehow this is nvidia's fault for not releasing a free fix every time someone comes up with another way to make a driver stop working ☝︎☟︎
ben_vulpes: i think that i just crashed my node asking for the memory pool.