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asciilifeform: it is generally not given to folx facing the sharp end of reactor rod, to entirely understand.
mircea_popescu: (literacy, for the sake of propriety, remains what newman defined, http://trilema.com/2013/a-very-unfair-perspective/ "to see things as they are, to go right to the point, to disentangle a skein of thought, to detect what is sophistical, and to discard what is irrelevant." hence the literacy as basis for technology, to distinguish slapping from lighting)
mircea_popescu: most feelers of the various rods comprehend ~nothing.
asciilifeform: well in the cited episode he felt the sharp end of the problem stick
asciilifeform: it would be fascinating to see how truman would have answered to this.
mircea_popescu: "replication" is no basis ; literacy is the basis. that "replication" is the schnelling'd-upon point of ~expression~ of literate heuristics is fine and dandy. but it is no basis thereby.
mircea_popescu: "oh but mp -- i don't mean absolute replica ; functional replica suffices" "then here's my recipe to replicate fire : slap girl's cheek middling hard. it'll turn some shade of reddish blue and give off heat for a time."
mircea_popescu: now, as to the other horn, what is "to replicate" ? fire is a technology, no man has yet replicated any fire -- fire is necessarily, as per thermodynamic laws -- irreplicable.
mircea_popescu: that is what technology is -- what's left once you exclude the monkey activities.
mircea_popescu: technology, ipso nomine ut ipso facto excludes the illiterate.
asciilifeform: can't replicate -- not tech. call it sumthingelse.
mircea_popescu: i can't imagine what sense does this make, to put iliteracy as the gatekeepeer to technology.
asciilifeform: rifle did not become serious weapon in the field until barrels -- interchangeable. etc
asciilifeform: like it or not, 'faberge egg' is not a good weapon. to which i'll add that imho trb only recently (with 'aggression') graduated from 'faberge' status, previously noad required regular babysitting, and i've found that this is no longer so
asciilifeform: to stalin's credit, he was not particularly frightened by the hiroshima show that was put on for him: understood that 'it was faberge egg'
asciilifeform: ( not to belittle the timetravel adventures of phf !111 )
asciilifeform: kurchatov et al approached the 'assembly line' problem slightly smarter (can debate how much 'from cribbing' and how much -- not) , and did not need own decade.
asciilifeform: in historicals: there is record where a 'let's nuke su nao before they can us' plan was given to truman, in '47. he did not sign, likely because it called for ~30 'fat men', whereas the entire stockpile was: 4. and grew at 3-4 / yr, assembly line stayed 'phf' for just under a decade, long enuff for ~parity.
asciilifeform: anyffing that can be replicated from recipe by illiterate red army conscripts, if you will -- 'technology'. the remainder -- 'phd assembly'. fortunately most useful items fall somewhere in the spectrum
asciilifeform: emphasis is on the 'phd', not 'assembly line'. faberge dead, no moar eggs
mircea_popescu: i do not perceive my time is strictly wasted with the phillies. unlike assembliline, assemblycunts are satisfying on a deeper level.
mircea_popescu: well then don't say magic! say w/e, ignorance.
asciilifeform: otherworldly << to riff on herr newton, 'i have no need of that hypothesis'
mircea_popescu: whereas ignorance only needs a correctly screwed dong to fix.
mircea_popescu: yes but the implication of the word is that a special catalyst is needed, that's otherwordly.
asciilifeform: perhaps a diff term is appropriate
mircea_popescu: paracetamol, similarly "we don't know how the fuck this works" doesn't meet my definition of magic -- it seems quite certain it works in the usual way, if yet the intricacy unknown.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'magic', in this sense, is a phlogiston, a measure of ignorance.
asciilifeform: even the screwdriver on yer desk -- yes it is hard, but the maker never knew why precisely ~that~ ratio of molybdenum is to be used.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: by the 'to your eyes' standard -- i dun think i own any artifacts that work to any other standard. even cement block -- we do not presently know precisely why cement hardens. ☟︎
asciilifeform: ( it's a pretty depressing yarn, the earthling attempts to make sense of the rubbish, sum to ~nuffin, and they fight over the scraps )
asciilifeform: this is the model of 'magic' i was thinking of.
asciilifeform: (largely not in the direction of betterment)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the strugatsky brothers, before sinking into senile delirium, had a tale 'roadside picnic', where unknown aliens land and leave buncha rubbish behind, and immediately depart. the rubbish includes 'usefuls', such as 'eternal batteries', but also various deadlies, and plenty of things 'in between', and earthling culture is rearranged by it. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: you know, iron only replicates it TO YOUR EYES. it doesn't do it in some sort of objective sense. it only puts the corect mul in rx if you know there's a rx to look for.
mircea_popescu: by these bright lights, most math is magic.
asciilifeform: any effect that cannot be replicated, must be modelled as 'magical', unfortunately
asciilifeform: in the strictly technical sense: yes
a111: Logged on 2018-09-10 16:24 asciilifeform: it wouldn't be any dismay to asciilifeform if we end up filling the rack with strictly mircea_popescu's successful patients, say.
asciilifeform: rright, but if in order to succeed , need mircea_popescu's psi powers, then we're in tight spot, unless http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-10#1849188 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: girl (or, i suppose, "bottom", to not exclude spuriously half the discussion) is more than happy to go out of her skin. if you ask her to.
mircea_popescu: so there we go.
asciilifeform: granted, the stick dun work if nobody wields it, just as turing's meat didn't
asciilifeform: and evidently the greek meatstick is not overwhelmingly superior instrument, or would have taken over globe and we wouldn't even think to have the thread, unless i'm missing something
asciilifeform: prussian, or if you prefer, sov, or jp, stick-beatin', does work to produce something like working minds
mircea_popescu: all knowledge is in the end unwilling. not "carnal", there is no such distinction, all knowledge is the exact same thing. and "unwilling" not in the sense of oppostion, but in the sense of defect. what exaclty is the maiden to know afore the fact about the knowledge you're about to impart on her, be it penis or math ? DEFINITIONALLY "not enough", right.
a111: Logged on 2014-11-26 00:46 asciilifeform: have to understand, jet fighter is not really a complete machine. it is a tentacle of the larger industrial slave empire which produced and employed it.
mircea_popescu: there's a large component of rape involved in all education ; had the societal convention not been that "ye kids must suck an adult cock, nqa", the feeble interest socrates managed to induce even in his contemporaries would never have amounted to anything.
mircea_popescu: socrates, to take a modest example, would eminently NOT have been even remotely interesting to the kids in the kids' own terms.
mircea_popescu: note that there's a problem here. that i, personally (and not explicably) manage somehow to be sexually attractive to women less than half my age as i was to women over twice my age has very little to do with anything and i wouldn't expect it systematizable.
asciilifeform: iirc he wasn't even able to keep his catamites from ratting him out in brit kangaroo court
mircea_popescu: because placed no demands. hence the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-10#1849184 ☝︎
asciilifeform: i suspect that there's a missing term in this equation. e.g. turing did not, afaik, create any great maths folx with his (very active) cock
mircea_popescu: note that the prussian system (which is the upper node of what contemporary dork calls "school", and it is a SYSTEM, more complex than just that) is not even 2 centuries yet.
asciilifeform: prolly why the brits ended up cargoculting it, neh
mircea_popescu: no, actually, it worked out for the greeks for longer and with better results than any attempt at either paideia, "civilisation", "education" or anything else ever did.
asciilifeform: worked out, i guess, for the greeks... for a spell
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there are examples in the past, e.g. the orig nazi folx. (or the ww1 britain, from prev thread?) but these didn't end well.
mircea_popescu: oh, you got ~one~ of those too ?
a111: Logged on 2018-09-09 18:55 asciilifeform: if martians land tonight and in their pov 'sentient' means 'grasps at least first order logics' they will immediately barf, 'we found a race where 1 full battallion of sentient males for erry female , and whole buncha veggies '
mircea_popescu: honestly, i would expect (if your http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-09#1848929 is right, at any rate) that the republic will be mostly homosexual. ☝︎
asciilifeform: for all i know, the year's 1944, and there's that ~one~ dish of penicillum in existence.
asciilifeform: if there's another mircea_popescu somewhere, likewise curing, i do not presently know about it.
asciilifeform: well, if the statement 'education must sexual' is indeed troo, then how else.
asciilifeform: it wouldn't be any dismay to asciilifeform if we end up filling the rack with strictly mircea_popescu's successful patients, say. ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the puzzler is, how to knock out the crutch. or persuade the sufferer to part with it on own power ? pizarro is isp, not psychiatric clinic
Mocky: I've witnessed in my grown children to my horror and despair
mircea_popescu: "man who has walked with crutch all life -- cripple or not ?" "we'll have to see, won't we."
asciilifeform: aint even, imho, organic braindamage, but more typically 'learned helplessness'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: did this patient also reach for calculator to mul by 10 ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i have personally witnessed "could not estimate laptop charger chord is not going to reach" visually, from five yards away, had to do the actual manual comparison. so yes, that's my overarching point -- IM are universally stupid in a very strict sense, unfit to lvie in world.
asciilifeform: 'Thanks for the offer, but we already have methods of becoming a sponsor. I'd like to give that opportunity to up to 10 groups/companies/people through patreon. I hope you'll understand.' << lol!!
mircea_popescu: very much like this, o'reilly-ers, or de raadt-whatever collective barnacle IM.
mircea_popescu: but i guess that was coincidental, model works quite well i nthe general, including cases such as "TW looking for IM" like say http://trilema.com/2018/and-in-todays-lulz-the-obnoxious-cocksucker/
a111: Logged on 2018-09-10 15:50 asciilifeform: the 'TW' , 'educated' by decade of reddit and hn, is usually incapable of even considering 'tor is honeypot', it threatens 'depersonalization', sorta like pushing the hanging stool out from under feet. iirc naggum described this psychopathology at length.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: by all appearances the 'free men on free soil' folx are http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-10#1849132 -stupid. without (to date) any detectable exceptions. ☝︎
asciilifeform: these are god's own pizarro customers. where are they.
mircea_popescu: i suppose, in a degenerate case. my original example was "business" of a certain sort of "free man on free soil" outlook, like "online casino" or whatever other mlm-for-the-2010s things.
asciilifeform: i puzzle over this q : where are the theos-without-becks hiding ?
asciilifeform: or, say, theo de raadt & bob beck pair
a111: Logged on 2017-03-08 22:29 mircea_popescu: in other lulz : femen, the "ukrainian" organisation is selling shit priced in dollars via 2checkout.com, the columbus ohio us corp.
mircea_popescu: "their power and capital". because http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-08#1623380 "never happened", especially if you wish it really hard to not have. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-22 17:18 weevlos: trinque: we are a media publication. our power and capital comes from the number of visitors we have to the site. we aim to transform through culture. if normal people cannot visit our site we are not accomplishing our goal
asciilifeform: aaa so ~indeed~ the lichen-fungus symbiont described by mircea_popescu
a111: Logged on 2017-12-22 17:21 weevlos: 1) that's not my call to make, i am only one employee
asciilifeform: i dunno if i can correctly model the weevils writhing around in that skull, but imagine it went something like ' i was looking for new isp, not to change religions '
asciilifeform: 'we already have box that stays up, but how will you make our dns stay'
mircea_popescu: o that guy, what was his name. yeah, here you go, absolutely fine IM-TW binome. that dood and weev.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik the clearest 'schoolbook' example of folx suckered in by pseudorepublic, were the weev people
BingoBoingo: Aite, updated. Going to walk a bit and read where the forum discussion goes before seeing what the least shitty webirc is
mircea_popescu: understand : woman saying "i don't have sex" is a fine approximation of "i don't have sex [unless you convincingly ask me to]". meanwhile "i don't suck dicks without permission" connotes "well, you were passed out, i asked three times like the jews, in all directions, and as there was no answer i figured...welll... here's a dick..."
asciilifeform: but in principle there is no reason why a colo customer cannot seal his disks, so long as he understands that he will have to come in person and swap'em then
asciilifeform: we also swap disks for colo folx, if they supplied spares.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform take out "for any reason" then ?
mircea_popescu: in #Pizarro on Freenode. << link to webthing mqay help
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in point of fact we do currently open boxes on explicit request of owner, to emplace FG
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo : "Pizarro servers do not employ BMC, nor always-on KVM setups. We do not disassemble servers for any reason, so feel free to seal your boxes. Account management is done through RSA process, do not expect that you can sidestep loss of your key through social engineering. Burn Microshit, burn." ?
a111: Logged on 2015-12-09 03:27 assbot: Logged on 06-10-2015 19:36:34; mircea_popescu: <Naphex> https://xotika.tv/static/report06102015.html << speaking of which, plox to give the guy's numbers a good shakedown, because im considering listing xotika this month.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is rather like if snail could speak, and was threatened with the loss of its shell, in the hot sun
BingoBoingo: Ah yes, Naphex welcomed Republic as customer of exchange he did for someone else. Then when he wanted to do HIS OWN camsite ran away to heathens