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gabriel_laddel_p: One of the features I need to complete is replication, which is to say: "
A single procedure call being all that is necessary to bundle the entirety of the (possibly heavily modified) sources into
a redistributable bootable USB stick installer or network download. "
gabriel_laddel_p: Oh right. Masamune is
a gentoo (no systemd) curated for (sbcl) lisp development only. It offers graphics, CAS & other mathematical libs all in the same lisp process.
mircea_popescu: no you said you're trying to get
a stick replication ?
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel_p so what is this stick business,
a tailored gentoo + masamune ?
mircea_popescu: truth be told we're so far into it i can't say in confidence i even fully understand what masamune ~actually is~. this is
a sad state of affairs.
mircea_popescu: might be ~same as the above musl, i suppose on
a curated gentoo.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-07 20:26 gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: once I figure out how to do this USB replication things, I aim to see every that every lord / notable republican has
a Masamune + the ability to replicate it.
gabriel_laddel_p: Sigh. Altman is probably going to end up with
a version in his hands before alf.
mircea_popescu: anyway, entertaining the thing as you describe at face value : if indeed your concern is
a sort of bastardization as conceptually constructible from the foregoing, then the correct move is to build your masamune on musl and attach
a license that forbids the empire (such as for instance the trb license ; or else one stating to use must be in l2, or rated by you, or any such thing). this will mostly protect you both technically
☟︎ gabriel_laddel_p: I contend that the current "lisp community" is
a bunch of fundamentally broken people, and that symbolics was
a bunch of fundamentally broken people, but they're broken in different ways.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel_p well, let's put it this way - not
a page of symbolics supposedly superb documentation did make it to republican coffers after all.
gabriel_laddel_p: mircea_popescu: idk about that. Symbolics was
a different beast with
a different set of problems. But then again, I don't know that much about the people involved with Symbolics, so perhaps you are right.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-07 20:10 gabriel_laddel_p:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598292 < this is _the_ problem in the lisp world. Each and every lisper painfully recreates
a sorta-similar environment over the course of years.
davout: some peeps i meet irl but don't have
a mapping to
a nick
davout:
a bot that could randomly go on strike i guess
mircea_popescu: phf illuminated schematics with tits seems like
a winning strat.
gabriel_laddel_p: if you want to discuss this in more detail, find me
a blog I can post comments on without people bitching
gabriel_laddel_p: Anyways, will encrypt
a copy to the lordship and drop it in here today.
gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: yeah, but FUCKGOATS has _lots_ of text, whereas this is
a video.
gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: once I figure out how to do this USB replication things, I aim to see every that every lord / notable republican has
a Masamune + the ability to replicate it.
☟︎ gabriel_laddel_p: That being said, I should drop
a version in here for the lordship
a111: Logged on 2017-01-07 17:49 mircea_popescu: anyway, i'm not entirely up to speed re sad state of lisp world. i expect it's in the shitter, but not exactly clear how. is there any merit to the nude assertion that "lisp is
a shittier thing than trb, because trb at least has SOMETHING that can be made into
a musl ; whereas lisp does not" ?
phf: i think we should draw
a line at illuminated schematics though
a111: Logged on 2017-01-07 20:03 phf: mircea_popescu: it gives me
a way to bring my knowledge and skill on par with people who invented computing, both on cs and ee sides. i keep one eye on
a possiblity that i will be able to restart their work. in entirely hypothetical scenario of somebody coming to me and going "we want to build
a personal computer that follows stan's 7 laws etc." i simply want to be able to do it from first principles. at worst there's going to be some
ben_vulpes: well having failed to extract the battery from the dead car i must now do the aforementioned food run but also to get
a 10mm deep socket
Framedragger: whatyougonnado.jpg ; fwiw gabriel_laddel_p i'd lend you
a vps for
a month for free (i wouldn't have access to it) just so that you'd stop pissing people off, but your call of course
phf: mircea_popescu: it gives me
a way to bring my knowledge and skill on par with people who invented computing, both on cs and ee sides. i keep one eye on
a possiblity that i will be able to restart their work. in entirely hypothetical scenario of somebody coming to me and going "we want to build
a personal computer that follows stan's 7 laws etc." i simply want to be able to do it from first principles. at worst there's going to be some
☟︎ ben_vulpes: i gotta do
a food and battery run before these roads ice over, bbl
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: customization aside, .13 for
a year of hosting and .17 for
a year of support and reboots?
phf: well, result of my work will be basically one step removed from useless :} no need for
a logic analyzer, but still
a gargantuan effort to make sense of architecture. smbx has opposite problem from scheme stack. there's the DPL, but there aren't any AIM-514 equivalents
phf: i have
a second trip scheduled for second week of march to finish the process
phf: they always look like somebody laid paint too thick while painting
a metal shed
mircea_popescu: incidentally, /me is not
a great fan of tattoos, by which i mean the meaningless optional bs, not the actual tribal/prison stuff. however, from
a purely aesthetic perspective, isn't there something fundamentally wrong with the blocky ones (ie, the ones with large monocolor chunks) ?
phf: asciilifeform: because i have
a paper by shrobe from 1982 vlsi conference (i could only find
a hardcopy, been meaning to scan it), that explicitly says that data path generator was written for mit cadr, and that it opts the DPL code out of
a gui environment. i haven't seen complete listing for DPL for the cpu either.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger i "really got it" coupla nights ago, out walking, splendid full moon with abendstar in opposition. and it was SO OBVIOUSLY
a fucking planet, lit by the star in part that i really had nfi what people had been doing prior. it's fucking obvious omg!
mircea_popescu: correctly modelling "what would happen to sun if chunk of lead hit it" is more of
a "learn qm exercise" than most resources available.
mircea_popescu: and speaking of canticle : anyone looking to write
a sf piece in the
a c clarke vein willing to model what'd happen if
a lead comet the size of ceres showed up on
a slow orbit ? at first, comet observed somewhere past kuipier belt, it's slow and dim. then, is it
a comet or an asteroid ? then, measurements indicate it's much too dense. then, in timescales ever narrowing, its orbit turns out to be unsafe. then, as it collapses
Framedragger: luckily enough i realized i was on hash before i could quickly set up
a blog in haskell and start writing stupid words about the singularity
phf:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598294 << scheme83 is like
a "canticle for leibowitz" artifact. "published design" is overstatement of the century. scraps of published memos and reports spread over out of print conference proceedings, the bulk of actual technology needed to recreate probably somewhere on
a TAPE. i don't know where you got that mask generator runs on scheme83. the entire production stack was for mit cadr
☝︎☟︎ a111: Logged on 2017-01-07 17:32 asciilifeform: trinque: eh he's
a veeery speshul trainflake, managed to read (if one is to believe) my compleateworx, and learn 0
mircea_popescu: this exercise promises in any case to be hopefully one of many in
a new trend : $item for extremely intelligent people.
trinque: deploying other people's code into
a logbot service sounds pretty UCI to me
mircea_popescu: ill go harvesting parantheses in the meanwhile so i have
a few stacks
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes so therefore considering that you don't have to rewrite trinque's bot nor is
a vps more than
a few bux
a month, dja got
a counteroffer ? :D
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i mean to say "if it gets mircea_popescu to write and think in lisp its
a worthwhile use of lines"
mircea_popescu: ah. the way i was thinking this'd work would be : the bot answers to any lines where its name is mentioned ; and i can update its "brain" with
a !^ url style command. whereby it replaces its "ai" code with the content of the file.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: how much for
a year's worth of hosting it + the occasional reboot ?
ben_vulpes: trinque: any action on recording all message lines or is that
a patch i should cook?
a111: Logged on 2017-01-07 15:19 mircea_popescu: and entirely unrelatedly : anyone willing to stand up an irc bot for me (as
a service for hire deal) and expose some kind of programmable interface that can read messages to it, process and push out
a reply ? bonus points if i don't have to learn crazy-shitstick-"$modernlanguage".
trinque: it could be said that insofar as the CL standard does not specify
a machine, it is drastically incomplete
mircea_popescu: in practice i come to understand now, after thousands of articles / years blogging, that in fact the frontend to
a blog should really be as close to
a... vdiff patch! as practicable.
trinque: ^ aka took me
a minute to find g_l's reply to me
mircea_popescu: anyway, i'm not entirely up to speed re sad state of lisp world. i expect it's in the shitter, but not exactly clear how. is there any merit to the nude assertion that "lisp is
a shittier thing than trb, because trb at least has SOMETHING that can be made into
a musl ; whereas lisp does not" ?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: more sympathy by
a large margin is owed to the things no one made, than to the suspected fruits of anyone's loins.
ben_vulpes: i'm one more 'undefined is not
a function' away from moving to boring and raising cashmere goats
☟︎ mircea_popescu: iirc it was made for
a very tmsr-like reason - kde people wanted to save their mailing list
mod6: be neat to have
a tmsr mirror of that; probably yuuuge tho.
trinque: netmonk: of course when not already voiced you'd have to do that in
a private message to the bot
mircea_popescu: that's like saying "i'm not much into clean linens". your personal taste in the matter is
a relatively secondary concern. the primary thing is they don't let you inside oxford unless you wash.
mircea_popescu kind-of has
a hankering to dick around with "ai", but no time to fuck with linux eigenstates.
mircea_popescu: and entirely unrelatedly : anyone willing to stand up an irc bot for me (as
a service for hire deal) and expose some kind of programmable interface that can read messages to it, process and push out
a reply ? bonus points if i don't have to learn crazy-shitstick-"$modernlanguage".
☟︎☟︎ trinque: not
a bad sort algorithm. most intolerant of an obstacle remaining in his path gets in first.
trinque: netmonk: send !!up to deedbot in
a private message, then decrypt the response, and reply to deedbot with !!v <your OTP here>
mircea_popescu will wait for self upping to rate. o wait, that doesn't work does it.
A WELL!!1
mircea_popescu: re-registering
a nick with ratings on it can't be done, but unrated they're all equally the same.
mircea_popescu: nah, seeing how
a) it's the first time and b) he's nobody anyway
trinque: would it be
a terrible breach of ethics to help this guy re-register?
mircea_popescu: in gpg you mean ? nah, and i wouldn't trust it anyway. ok to wait, it waited for
a year before masochist guy found the rake in grass to step on