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diana_coman: atm I'm just playing around with generic to wrap my head around it! lol; but receiver can haz max size and then report, no?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: how did you make the receiver eat unexpected sizes ?
asciilifeform: at least this was so in the old gnat
diana_coman: asciilifeform, yes, atm I'm looking at it for the test harness, for which I think it fits great (since I wouldn't want to go writing 1-65535 explicitly if I can help it)
asciilifeform: it prevents full modularization, in that the restrictions that hold in the library begin to apply to the called
a111: Logged on 2018-09-14 16:02 asciilifeform: the only lang feature that gets in the way of this partitioning is 'generics', but iirc diana_coman did not use these anywhere
asciilifeform: diana_coman: there's a caveat tho
diana_coman: in other pleasant surprises, this generic thing in ada is very useful
asciilifeform: did i also somehow sleep through this
asciilifeform: hey mod6 , didja ever switch to new format in trb ? ☟︎
asciilifeform: would also like to have (but afaik we dun have?) a mechanical converter from old to new, so that all i gotta do is re-seal
asciilifeform: i'm not averse to regrinding things, vtron that understands 2 types of hash inside 1 tree is prolly too much to ask for; but at the very least i gotta be able to distinguish old form from new by file ext., for own workflow.
diana_coman: I can fully see the point to that, certainly
asciilifeform: really imho oughta switch the extension. note that this requires no regrind.
diana_coman: my approach has been: try with keccak; if fails, for now at least, try with old sha-based
asciilifeform: not even speaking out of concern for heathens ( tho they do read my www and occasionally try to build the proggies ) but for tripping over own feet
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I can see the point given how often I went already "oh, this is /not is keccak/sha"
asciilifeform: diana_coman: the 1 thing that still bothers me is that same file extension was kept for new v as for old
diana_coman: asciilifeform, not full as far as I'm aware; there is http://trinque.org/2018/06/02/v-manifest-specification/ re manifest
asciilifeform: btw do we have a full spec for the new form posted somewhere ?
diana_coman: possibly because I did not yet fully digest the new one (or not as well as old one)
diana_coman: I pressed only the keccak branch of phf's
asciilifeform: i thought phf's was backwards-compat?
asciilifeform: hm why is this?
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I know that pain, honestly; I still trip over this change and I wouldn't even say that I have as convenient a workflow with new tooling as I had with old
asciilifeform: diana_coman: what's going on is that asciilifeform has buncha boxen with old tooling, and also tends to rely on mircea_popescu to proclaim 'let's nao new format'
diana_coman: cool; I was just surprised + trying to understand what is going on
asciilifeform: again i had and have 0 objection to the format, or would have said.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-08 00:14 asciilifeform: i expect that errybody currently tuned in, will use keccak.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'm satisfied that your keccak worx
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'm not averse to regrinding , if diana_coman already switched ( i managed to sleep through this , somehow, but yes looks like you're in the new format )
diana_coman: uhm, wait; you mean you think it might still change and *not* be keccak? or current keccak version not surely if keccak? or...dunno, what?
diana_coman: the issue at hand is more simply that being sha means it will have to go through regrind at some point and so I'm not very keen on adding to it patches just to have what to regrind later; but maybe that's just me
asciilifeform: diana_coman: this is how we typically do standardizations, yes ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-06 23:15 phf: considering the slow adoption of the keccak approach and also a large number of existing sha512 patches, i'm planning on doing a regrind where i merge the keccak and the sha branches together, so that vpatch/vdiff can produce both hashes on a switch, until further notice.
diana_coman: I wouldn't expect there is such a thread, no; at any rate, last discussion on this I think starts here: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-06#1832406 ☝︎
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I don't get it: are you saying you need mircea_popescu to officially declare it something or the other or what?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: but to answer the orig q -- i have nuffin against the new format; but not switched yet.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: and if there was a moment in the l0gz where mircea_popescu proclaimed 'hey this is out of beta, errybody plox to retire the classical vtrons' -- i missed it? plox to link.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: believe or not, i still havent switched to phf's .
diana_coman: asciilifeform, since your udp genesis is using the sha hashes + a "history" file I'm not sure: do you have something against the move to keccak + standard manifest file for v-trees?
deedbot: http://bimbo.club/?p=16 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR Summary Log - 9/08/2018 ☟︎
Mocky: huge mass yes, but all the good picks still less likely to be taken, and more willing to dote over whatever can be found
asciilifeform: in the excess mass
asciilifeform: Mocky: wouldnt it be mostly pinoy & indian d00dz tho
Mocky: if you're a woman who wants an arab man, qatar is the shit. step up on your pedestal and take your pick
Mocky: construction workers for their 2022 world cup stadii firmly in gulag, unpaid for year+, dying at a rate of 1 every 2 days, according to The Guardian ~2014 ☟︎
asciilifeform: iirc they dun bother with workhouses for defaulters, tho, straight to cement boots
asciilifeform: they have similar thing for mexicans in usa, but 100% unofficial, orcish, under the table
asciilifeform: aa, nobody gets out till they mop the requisite # of floors to pay back their master for shipping'em in , a la dubai, then
asciilifeform: ( they have articles of indenture and such )
asciilifeform: iirc dubai has this system, it is used to keep the indian janitors from jumping ship
asciilifeform: interesting. do they also have a gulag where you work off said dime ?
Mocky: or if bank says you owe a dime, can't leave. no time limit
Mocky: yes, doesn't apply to visa on arrival which i'll be using. but if i want to stay past 60 days need some sort of business sponsor or hotel sponsor. and if use sponsor, their failure to file paperwork will prevent you from leaving
asciilifeform: sorta the last notch on the dial
asciilifeform: it's a pretty good proxy for 'is this place northkr yet'
asciilifeform: this gotta be on the arabian end, afaik usa not (yet) has sucha thing
Mocky: i'm a noob to international travel, but the whole exit visa thing seems super sketchy to me
a111: Logged on 2018-09-01 17:06 mircea_popescu: i figure... you get what 2 ? 3 ? months there until the first save point, see if it can be done or can't be done ?
Mocky: 60 days to make something happen >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-01#1846611 ☝︎
asciilifeform: Mocky: way back ? i thought yours was a 1way
Mocky: tried to stretch it out in madrid long enough to look around but couldn't make it work
Mocky: on the way back I'll have 3 hrs in madrid and 3 in miami
BingoBoingo: <Mocky> got my flight booked. will be on layover at heathrow for 15hrs on oct 8th << I don't feel so bad about the 45 minutes I ended up with in Panama now
Mocky: never been to London before, but from what i hear, can practice my arabic with half the population
Mocky: it was that or pay fiddy buks more for 12 hrs layover in turkey. turkey wasn't gonna let me out of the airport tho
mircea_popescu: Mocky why the hell would anyone do that to themselves.
deedbot: http://thewhet.net/2018/09/the-appropriately-proportioned-ballad-of-chimichurri/ << The Whet - The (appropriately-proportioned) Ballad of Chimichurri
mircea_popescu: osmanli harems were populated by the valide sultan, ie, mother of guy.
asciilifeform: ( maybe they were picked for toe-suckling amplitude..? )
asciilifeform: it is difficult imho to picture a d00d with working cock having been involved in the auditions for this harem.
asciilifeform: or possib this was one of those degenerate harems that morphed into a sort of harvard, i.e. institution that popped its tether to whatever original ground it stood on
mircea_popescu: nah, there is actual philosophical underlying.
mircea_popescu: ie, unibrows, moustaches, bellybutton lint, you know, the COMPLETE
asciilifeform: i have nfi how this passed 'qa' for 'harem'. but i suppose 'in the great birdlessness, my arse is a nightingale'
mod6: lol, i remember these, that one lady looks like Jay Leno.
asciilifeform: 'face to push locomotive' or how did the ro folx put this.
asciilifeform: http://www.xubux.com/upload/000/u1/013/4781adf0.jpg << i def saw this, in a b00k, must be
asciilifeform: even notes, 'The harem inmates did not suffer of thinness.'
mircea_popescu: those, they are female.
asciilifeform: where was this
mircea_popescu: lol you saw the pics with that obscure middle earth harem, all chicks with mustachios ?
asciilifeform: in '90s asciilifeform idly dreamed of learning fn and going there. but meanwhile they sank.
a111: Logged on 2014-03-20 14:20 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'cum se suge pula' << can't help but associate this in my head with the finnish proverb, 'Pillu se on pulullakin'
asciilifeform: incidentally, speaking of finns, there was a http://btcbase.org/log/2014-03-20#570183 . ☝︎
asciilifeform: y'know, specific term for how insects, rodents, scuttle about in-place
a111: Logged on 2018-09-18 18:22 asciilifeform: this is the other thing, 'changes are expensive' promote imho a sane view of software, where you actually try to perma-stabilize yer proggy, rather than to keep up the classic 'open sores' eternal cauldron of bubbling liquishit
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-18#1851362 << yes! this BingoBoingoian "movement for the sake of movement" thing they do... it is not for white people. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: "if my typo fix contains a typo" i mean
asciilifeform: entirely. this is one of the 9000 ways in which vtronics wins.
mircea_popescu: this way i fucking hear if my typo is typo'd.
mircea_popescu: which is how you even pay back the upstream
asciilifeform: imho this is the Right Thing.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nao you add my changes to your line
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the heathens make a pretense that 'dun have to, automerge' etc
mircea_popescu: well so of course if upstream fixes something, downstream will have to either import or lose out. this can't be different nor is in any known system.
asciilifeform: ave1 was asking re scenario where 'say i make pdp11.c for yer lib, and you changed the ada trunk, naowat'
mircea_popescu: or you mean "regrind the patch" ? usually regrind means you know, the whole tree.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: subj was specifically the cases where regrind.