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mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: i often think about that, how the hell can someone who cannot/willnot read code, ever be the steward of a software project safely? <<< you know i don't actually read all that much code at all. i guess i could, more or less, but i wouldn't trust myself to understand it. by which i don't mean "what it does", but i do mean "what we can absolutely say about this program"
kuzetsa: [14:59:14] <+Naphex> kuzetsa: you should check logs, make sure you're not owned << logs of what?
asciilifeform: which stone in the roller << this is the basic premise behind 'many eyes' theory, - and we know it is empirically false.
mircea_popescu: jurov: redhat would be in a position to do it << redhat is a usg subcontractor. this is like saying goldman sachs is in a position to break the aml/kyc bullshit ring.
mircea_popescu: jurov: is anyone willing to pay "we have read the code for you" kind of security? <<< yes. but it's like the case with drinking water : people ARE wiling to pay for drinking water ; people are not willing to pay to have a dam constructed.
mircea_popescu: bounce: now it would help if we can properly articulate what ails us. but we can't, because the terminology has been deliberately confused and watered down and broadened and stretched (by the industry) so as to spread FUD more effectively << you are very naive to imagine the terminology has anything to do with it. point in case : if in a room with a woman that wants to fuck me, i don't need to speak her language. point
asciilifeform: http://www.kernelmode.info/forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=3505#p23987 << mega-lol
mircea_popescu: mike_c: meet behind the school at noon << yo!
mircea_popescu: chetty: does security exist in nature? << yes, actually. entropy securely flows one way, and god help you if you mess with mass conservation.
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03: language drifts news at 11 << language drifting so as to serve the interests and needs of the upper class is fine.
gribble: Dekker3D was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 11 weeks, 4 days, 0 hours, 40 minutes, and 47 seconds ago: <Dekker3D> I remember someone who used this.
mircea_popescu: bounce: VERY DANGEROUS UBERHACKERS << ever see a woman with a little girl trying to cook while the little girl stirred some random items in a smaller pot immitating her ?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: they wanna jedi mind trick the fappening and NSA etc << there's probably a feminst and an environmentalist somewhere in the us that actually will buy into it.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell ben_vulpes puzzle, because am n00b: http://imgur.com/a/JggcG << why does parting tool produce a spiral finish? and what determines the geometry of the spiral?
asciilifeform: argentina drones, unregistered real estate << and none of this happened with ordinary piloted airplanes ?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: it's not a real man, it's face morph of all the men in their target audience <<< this. it's probably the real point of facebook.
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03: but every contractor in the world is a miserable, lying thief. << because you pay upfront.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://www.itnews.com.au/News/396180,amazon-forced-to-reboot-ec2-to-patch-xen-bug.aspx << possibly relevant to your latest item
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: like i couldnt recognize my own sig... << the hand signature thing in the us is nuts by now.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: barely over retard. <<< nah you're just too young to have a clear memory of the 90s :D
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: o look, 1.271 << totally picked the wrong time to close down teh fund
mircea_popescu: jurov: emphasis theirs. dis gon b gud. <<< in that particular way...
asciilifeform: bounce: people still pay for security (see size of computer security industry) yet are getting none << obligatory >> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1299
lobbes: 'The paper, which was recently submitted to ArXiv, an online repository of physics papers that is not peer-reviewed' << hmm
ben_vulpes: <jurov> i have a little hope for haskoin, it's nicely done << last i checked it was just an rpc wrapper, has it grown much?
ben_vulpes: <ThickAsThieves> i often think about that, how the hell can someone who cannot/willnot read code, ever be the steward of a software project safely? << for legacy projects i generally angle for an audit phase.
ThickAsThieves: like was said earlier, <+mats_cd03> i delay the battles i cannot win and fight with haste otherwise
mats_cd03: http://courses.cs.vt.edu/professionalism/Therac_25/Therac_1.html << other software related fatalities.
mats_cd03: http://embeddedgurus.com/barr-code/2014/03/lethal-software-defects-patriot-missile-failure << floating point rounding error fatalities.
kakobrekla: ok so: which animal typed this: <iNanca> cndjkfhuasdy
kakobrekla: http://nsasimulator.com < i heard there some panic re this here as 3 bedrooms from ljubljana were discovered on that thing
mats_cd03: 23:16:36 <+asciilifeform> mats_cd03: practical-file-system-design << old favourite of mine.<< i am also busy consuming 'principles of program analysis' by nielson and friend.
ThickAsThieves: ;;later tell TheNewDeal <TheNewDeal> any response on that foia yet? /// since youve been singling me out, I wanna clear up that, while I did email them an inquiry long ago, I did not personally submit a FOIA request. I simply know of a couple netizens that did. You can expect news to spread fast once(if) it happens. ☟︎
Vexual: 23-09-2014 12:10:33  <jurov>   (some call it axe soup)
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: if software were to start behaving like metal cut, most of the extant practitioners would fellate their pistols. << ask the maintainers of legacy software how they feel
decimation: "I swear on my magic that I will not put Hermione Granger into the Asplundh in the courtyard," Harry said solemnly, << lolwtf
asciilifeform: generally learn how to stop drifting aimlessly around << this is particularly funny to me, as i 'knew exactly what to do' before interned as a kid, and then began to doubt...
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: le travail, c'est le travail << i like how philosophical marriage makes one. socrates had a point.
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> TheNewDeal: Feel like I working in a chinese sweatshop for the last half hour << i am glad to learn that i am not the only one who ended up constructing his own personal chinese sweatshop to toil in... << and how is this different from the making of a computer useful for software development?
decimation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHNpayYhBvM << watch the annoying australian run his design on an 'adult' assembly line, with solder paste, pick n' place and oven
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> peristaltic pump also stretches the tube if the business end is clogged (as it inevitably becomes) << In the prototypical models Magnesium citrate tends to clear this well.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> (then i'd have to explain how this doesn't work, sadly, and for nonobvious reason) << it could work if instead you went for living fabrication machines as the Flinstones did.
asciilifeform: it would smash the solder balls << nope. the standard methods (auger and piston) actually do. and this limits the life of the apparatus (smashed balls end up adhering to the inside bores.)
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: Feel like I working in a chinese sweatshop for the last half hour << i am glad to learn that i am not the only one who ended up constructing his own personal chinese sweatshop to toil in...
asciilifeform: decimation: netlist << nope. the actual masks, ready for tapeout.
asciilifeform: decimation: does the vlsi design exist (presumably in vhdl) << afaik it was lisp from day 1 (mit cadr was hand-drawn, after that - 'ourobourus'-like tail-eating iterative design...)
asciilifeform: mats_cd03: practical-file-system-design << old favourite of mine.
asciilifeform: decimation: vlsi design software << yes, it was. and they actually... used it.
BingoBoingo: <TheNewDeal> Drops happen fast as well? << Only really drops fast after decisive peaks
ben_vulpes: <decimation> what intrigued me was the mention of the vlsi design software that was written in lisp << me too. has the source been lost?
atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 0 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.39 TH/s
mats_cd03: 20:08:59 <+mircea_popescu> i have no idea what monero even is.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2014#823434 < that. ☝︎
mats_cd03: 20:08:34 <+fluffypony> I had no idea you were all-in on Monero
BingoBoingo: So the Virtual girlfriend <hashlet> fanboys found my post http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/29/what-the-fuck-is-a-hashlet/#comment-35912
mats_cd03: www.nobius.org/~dbg/practical-file-system-design.pdf << i have been enjoying this recently. re: BeOS, but a decent primer on how file systems work, too.
gribble: pierre_rochard was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 8 weeks, 6 days, 0 hours, 44 minutes, and 52 seconds ago: <Pierre_Rochard> mircea_popescu: ah, well I’ll myself out then
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: anyone from bitpay in WoT? << ayup. http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=Pierre_Rochard&sign=ANY&type=RECV
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: the question that almost begs to be asked is whether haakon (cortez, whoever) would immediately seize upon modern tech as being the product of long-dead wizards, as it is. << any books to recommend on cortez?
mircea_popescu: "bărbații discutau despre zapceasti, porșni, zadnii hod și zajiganie" <> "the men were talking of запчасти, поршни, задний ход and зажигание." etc
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://tarancutavesela.md/mananc-si-plang-plang-si-mananc-bataie/ << decent example of the moldavian exploitation of russian.
mircea_popescu: http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/06/07/archipelago-and-atomic-communitarianism/ << possibly the most idiotic thing i read all week.
asciilifeform: http://www.cnccookbook.com/CCMillTramming.html << for other wretched n00bs in my situation
assbot: Logged on 19-09-2014 00:00:23; asciilifeform: http://putnik1.livejournal.com/2048845.html << highly relevant
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-09-2014#834623 << similar. ☝︎
asciilifeform: wasted effort << what effort.
mircea_popescu: https://blockchain.info/address/16crkmdoaK6Tq8NP3FVK7Uxq5Dwdicb3c3 << it's got so bad im targeted by scamvertisers.
asciilifeform: malbolge << befunge.
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gribble: I haven't seen anyone matching I haven't seen anyone matching (seen [<channel>] <nick>) -- Returns the last time <nick> was seen and what <nick> was last seen saying. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. <nick> may contain * as a wildcard...
gribble: I haven't seen anyone matching (seen [<channel>] <nick>) -- Returns the last time <nick> was seen and what <nick> was last seen saying. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. <nick> may contain * as a wildcard..
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kakobrekla: awww <3
jurov: and who is <last> ?
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asciilifeform: http://www.damilic.com/autopen-products/office-signature-machines << vendor.
asciilifeform: http://perpelle.wordpress.com/artikler-og-leserinnlegg/erik-naggum-in-memoriam/#comment-145 << aha this is where it was. (story of naggum and his death by tax.)
asciilifeform: http://console-cowboys.blogspot.com/2014/09/arris-cable-modem-backdoor-im.html << not the glorious turd tower that is 'headbash', but still great.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'the best eulogy is suicide on the grave' << 47 ronin!
mircea_popescu: http://shrani.si/f/2h/ER/1akHgOUp/rejected.png << lol pretty good.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-09-2014#843358 << came up last night... ☝︎
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: consider though, the coin whose owner controls its network. <<< pedigree of owner is of import in a situation of absent information.
mircea_popescu: bash: warning: x: ignoring function definition attempt bash: error importing function definition for `x' <<< patched bash sez
mircea_popescu: env x='() { :;}; echo vulnerable' bash -c "echo this is a test" << tester.
asciilifeform: not everything is malicious << see the ancient thread (mp's?) re: whether it is useful to distinguish between sufficiently incompetent 'rangers' and actual scammers
asciilifeform: svg << anyone familiar with the atrocity will understand why everyone involved with 'xml' should be roasting in hell, with devils stoking the furnace with copies of the standards literature.
ben_vulpes: http://imgur.com/vpqTxnd << oh god oh god my bleeding eyes
ben_vulpes: http://mshr.info/ << amazing design
kakobrekla: http://bitbet.us/bet/755/indias-mars-orbiter-mission-will-succeed-on-schedule/#c4012 < lol, so true, so true
thestringpuller: http://bitbet.us/bet/749/?ref=173UtFc8KyVAkvGvHhpB3wFvYaNqNujDB8 << that's a good one
xmj: 09:02:29 <+thestringpuller> the insomniacs club!
ben_vulpes: <decimation> mp_colonist: that's an interesting thought, you are probably right. it also makes the actions of the west w.r.t. money obviously 'dishonorable' << zero, one, infinity. a good wot may grant you a coin of honor.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: kBez << gold
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> 'choose from where you will eat $mysteryobject - from vegetable market, or city dump.' I may be a poor subject for this one... I sometime pick Toxicodendron radicans for personal consumption
ben_vulpes: <mp_colonist> +ben_vulpes no idea how that happened. noobicle. << shit, vulpes. did you just get called by a girl ?! << read it again, and that to which it's a response.
ben_vulpes: " On January 17, 1995, Intel announced a pre-tax charge of $475 million against earnings" << convenient
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> genealogy? << WIth wetware this is a deciding factor...
ben_vulpes: LS(1) BSD General Commands Manual LS(1) << BingoBoingo quite.
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> be glad for the bell. << amen. i recently undertook to build a piece of 'golden cage' 'software' to ship over to a client. required 'upgrading' 'xcode', which required 'upgrading' 'os x', a thing i'd been avoiding on principle as the bell shows up every time i plug the shitbox in.