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mircea_popescu: anyway, i'm not entirely up to speed re sad state of lisp world. i expect it's in the shitter, but not exactly clear how. is there any merit to the nude assertion that "lisp is a shittier thing than trb, because trb at least has SOMETHING that can be made into a musl ; whereas lisp does not" ? ☟︎
asciilifeform: i dunno how mircea_popescu cuts the knot of distinguishing (say, among his pets) 'slow learner' from 'militant ignoramus'
asciilifeform: it is ridiculous, and i swore it off.
mircea_popescu: this is ridoinculous, the paternal fallacy. "oh he sucks but i made him". doh ? do you do the same with code, also ?
asciilifeform: eh i had more than the appropriate measure of sympathy for the poor bugger because laboured under the impression that he, fwiw, was a monster i had an indirect hand in creating
trinque: all I can say is, take part in the forum. it'll rid you of that american megalomania, or get rid of you, real quick.
asciilifeform: (y'know, where i stuffed bootable linux kernel + userland + trb into 5MB with 0 drepperola or poetteringola)
asciilifeform: 'Until I can buy a lisp nic, I'll be networkmanagering it up thank you very much.' << lel
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes thing is, i land on your page, i have no easy way of knowing what moves.
asciilifeform: trinque: it's the national folkdance of 'i am young and GENYOOS and californian and hip and here comes me'
ben_vulpes: i kid, i kid.
trinque: ben_vulpes: I made the statement here, will wait for the day g_l shows up permanently and raises the thread
trinque: I'm not using networkmanager; where's my lisp nic?
ben_vulpes: augh gabriel_laddel_p i'm formatting your comment into sanity
ben_vulpes: i'm one more 'undefined is not a function' away from moving to boring and raising cashmere goats ☟︎
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598017 << i too would like this very much! ☝︎
mod6: I like that MARC thing. seems useful.
mircea_popescu: i'm an utter linguistic slut, if it wasn't screamingly obvious.
netmonk: when i was idling here
netmonk: well i still have all the backlog from one year ago to read
netmonk: i will try to improve my gpg skills
netmonk: i least i was succesfull to decrypt the otp :)
mircea_popescu: im not even sure what this difference is supposed to mean, but anyway. my own key uses the master and i've not had any problems, so there's that.
netmonk: and i hope my bad reputation wont transfer to my child :)
netmonk: well i too old for oxford
mircea_popescu: that's like saying "i'm not much into clean linens". your personal taste in the matter is a relatively secondary concern. the primary thing is they don't let you inside oxford unless you wash.
mircea_popescu: and entirely unrelatedly : anyone willing to stand up an irc bot for me (as a service for hire deal) and expose some kind of programmable interface that can read messages to it, process and push out a reply ? bonus points if i don't have to learn crazy-shitstick-"$modernlanguage". ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: no i know. the point being - insanity contradicts expectation. i'm not importing koch.
trinque: I have no evidence yet that using that key ID works, or what other heinous acts gpg undertakes when handed one
mircea_popescu: but here's what i don't understand : the substring 62F6E94CB8BEC891 is not found within 6FD9603CAEDCB7638EFBE9D115F6BC08DC5EC056 ; and moreover http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598125 == http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598076 ☝︎☝︎
trinque: netmonk: I've deleted your registration; feel free to re-reg when you have the right key in hand
trinque: we're not much about "do what I mean" around heah
netmonk: man i will have to load my master private key
mircea_popescu: in gpg you mean ? nah, and i wouldn't trust it anyway. ok to wait, it waited for a year before masochist guy found the rake in grass to step on
netmonk: i gave my master key id instead of subkey encrypting
trinque: mircea_popescu: however gpg does; I'm just passing it as argument to --recv-key
trinque: Framedragger: I decided to eat a beach ball whaddayawant
netmonk: strange i cannot decode the message
Framedragger: btw trinque i don't think my gpg key has all the associated ratings in your wot.deedbot.org wwwtron. but mebbe the latter isn't finished anyway, so i'm jumping ahead of myself :)
netmonk: damn i need to find my smartcard :)
mircea_popescu: lol i c
netmonk: i was netmonk long before him ! :)
mircea_popescu: if too long say an' i'll trilema it instead.
asciilifeform: i will add that his facility was, iirc, the home of the ill-fated dulap-1.
trinque: I can't put it past these idiots that they'd try a limited hangout on their impending 91
mod6: first message i can see looks like september of 1997
asciilifeform: i can't resist asking, what's trinque's picture of subj
mircea_popescu: phf every whorish ditz i ever knew has a linkedin account.
phf: huh, interesting. i can see that, i wonder if you need to be at a ведомственное скб or if it's the opposite, to get away with stuff like that
phf: presumably stored in an the country house attic between floorboards. i doubt he used nazi memorabilia at work. at least that's how we had a gewehr or a karabiner for a very long time. grandfather though it was appropriate to teach a tyke how to clean a gun with the only gun available in the dusty attic, because can't really use it or take it out or...
asciilifeform: i still have some of my father's drafting toolz, they were taken by his father out of - supposedly - dead german, have nazi eagles on'em
phf: huh, all the precision tools are made in germany. i guess cia doesn't need to do the whole "proud owner of made in ussa!" thing
pete_dushenski: i have one of those on my desk in front of me, as it happens. ratios between 100:1 and 500:1.
phf: ben_vulpes: i was just looking at that thing. i like his definition of what "correctness" in case of terminal emulator is. "should be able to properly render modern terminal applications like tmux and vim. Glyphs should be rendered properly, and the proper glyphs should be displayed."
mircea_popescu: http://labs.openviewpartners.com/linkedin-pricing-strategy/#.WHAoLFJOm-I << in random lulz. the following elements are present : "experts" with nary a clue, expertise predicated entirely on context in a purely substance-free lacanian manner ; "controversy" in the sense of, wholly worthless item lost some of the arbitrary "value" it never had, what could be the possible "explanations" that nevertheless avoid stating the obviou
ben_vulpes: that is what i want
ben_vulpes: yes i want fewer features and prettier widgets that fit in with my os aesthetic
mircea_popescu: i've not really been following openbsd.
mircea_popescu: and supposedly i should feel bad for them, right ? because look how the barbarians came and burned down all these nice guy's hard work. hurr.
mircea_popescu: in the process, creating the perverse incentive structure for the monkey wail. i really can't fucking stand ustards already.
asciilifeform: i was, refrained from clicking, links on that www tend to be tiresome crud
asciilifeform: 'i wouldn't do the work if it fellated'
asciilifeform: there is this. but i also have difficulty picturing taleb sweating over apache config etc.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't mean the niggers. i mean the others.
asciilifeform: i dunno what is 'intellectual' about packard, poettering, the leah-whatever dope of libreboot, gavin, et al
mircea_popescu: oh, i'm sure.
mircea_popescu: rather than port extant drivers to a twice defunct pile of code made by mit i'd rather paint tits on a boar.
asciilifeform: i'd be curious to see if original could be revved up on any recent box
mircea_popescu: the idiotic ustard discursive posturing was intolerable even cca 2003. "Persistent problems in XFree86 development have become widely recognised within the X community. I have talked to people throughout the X community in a search for solutions." check out the utter nigger talk.
asciilifeform: https://vmssoftware.com/products.html << i shit thee not, STILL MAINTAINED today
trinque: I will be happy to continue this discussion as comments in my blog in near future
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: well as i understood criticism from trinque was 'stop measuring with your arse, gotta have objective metric'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i am somewhat unsurprised the immediate reaction is to take the matter outside of the computer.
mircea_popescu: hey, he said benchmark, i proposed a benchmark. lotta branching lotta iterations, some memory allocation. should be plenty obvious.
asciilifeform: if trinque made a gadget that actually benchmarks ui delays (i.e. injects keystroke via keyboard port and times reaction on display) it'd be quite spiffy and i'd even buy it.
asciilifeform: but i ain't paying for the privilege of testing alpha.
asciilifeform: what can i say, i'll happily test the new ver.
asciilifeform: i did the benchmark, in (iirc) 2010.
asciilifeform: where it is ~not~ a matter of 'all i gotta do is shave some cycles'
trinque: mircea_popescu: the hash wouldn't slow anybody down because I'd be hashing in one thread, updating UI with results in another as they pop out
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform interestingly, the only time i ever encountered such delays before was on ssh sessions.
asciilifeform: trinque: it was true of clim and i wrote not 1 letter of code. of the stock ui. last i saw.
asciilifeform: if i can feel delay between pressing a button, clicking a control, etc. and things happening -- this is called dog-slow.
asciilifeform: no, i mean it.
asciilifeform: the benchmark is 'i can feel delays'
trinque: asciilifeform: define a benchmark and I'll run right now.
asciilifeform: i'ma put clim on that i7-7700K (released yesterday!) for lulz. betcha it's still dog-slow.
ben_vulpes: i'll refrain from further.
ben_vulpes: can i slam other pngs in there? probably. great.
ben_vulpes: yeah, emerge, network managers, gui wrappers around os stuff is very uninteresting (but i suppose useful in the case of eg fs browser 'dired' and climacsy presentations). what i *want* is a lispy gui toolkit and i do not give one screaming fuck re "omg ancient athena widgets"
mircea_popescu: there's an impedance mismatch between description and labeling though. i expect my wine bottle to say "wine bottle" rather than the more accurate "dubious suspension of tanic acid salts in water"
trinque: I emphatically do not want anyone telling me how to run gentoo when I've been doing so myself almost as long as it has existed.
trinque: I think he would've been wiser to say "I wish to replace emacs with a CL environment" than "this is a step towards sane computing" or somesuch
asciilifeform: about, e.g., impedance mismatches in a comp system, or the failure of massive abstraction towers, or any of what i consider to be the basic observations
asciilifeform: ftr i grunted through gabriel_laddel's www material and cringed, he quotes massive chunks from my www but shows no symptoms of having learned anything there
ben_vulpes: i will not write this theorem in cocoa, qt, wx, or any of the ilk.
mircea_popescu: i dunno why i was under the impression it was 210 + laptop.
asciilifeform: i see ~0 public docs.
asciilifeform: i gotta say that i am entirely uninterested in theatrical/hollywood imitations of lispm
mircea_popescu: i can't evaluate same ever ; after some cursory attempts to help the evaluation i'm resigned to let it evaluate itself.