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netmonk: i used to program in RPL on my hp48 back in the day, does that count ? :)
danielpbarron: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598562 << i have tested many many times. works very well ☝︎
mircea_popescu: truth be told we're so far into it i can't say in confidence i even fully understand what masamune ~actually is~. this is a sad state of affairs.
mircea_popescu: might be ~same as the above musl, i suppose on a curated gentoo.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-07 20:26 gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: once I figure out how to do this USB replication things, I aim to see every that every lord / notable republican has a Masamune + the ability to replicate it.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598539 << i'm curious how this'd work. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: and legally, and i estimate the barriers would hold.
gabriel_laddel_p: I contend that the current "lisp community" is a bunch of fundamentally broken people, and that symbolics was a bunch of fundamentally broken people, but they're broken in different ways.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-07 20:25 netmonk: damn i just realise it still exist people coding in lisp
gabriel_laddel_p: mircea_popescu: idk about that. Symbolics was a different beast with a different set of problems. But then again, I don't know that much about the people involved with Symbolics, so perhaps you are right.
davout: some peeps i meet irl but don't have a mapping to a nick
davout: i don't know, maybe we do?
mircea_popescu: i am surprised you two don't know each other.
netmonk: davout: from what i hear you left
davout: a bot that could randomly go on strike i guess
davout: no i'm a bot
a111: Logged on 2017-01-07 20:30 gabriel_laddel_p: davout: you've never wanted to do anything even remotely similar to what I aim to do.
davout: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598557 <<< this reduces to "i'm special, also reasons" ☝︎
davout: gabriel_laddel_p: i have no interested in taking part in anything for which whatever idiots do or do not do has any kind of bearing
gabriel_laddel_p: if you want to discuss this in more detail, find me a blog I can post comments on without people bitching
gabriel_laddel_p: davout: you've never wanted to do anything even remotely similar to what I aim to do. ☟︎
davout: i really don't get this fascination with whatever idiots will do
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel_p: entirely leaving aside the particulars of your product, i must confess that i get an impression that gabriel_laddel_p is not himself entirely certain yet how it is that he wants to do business, and with whom, on what terms.
danielpbarron: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598350 << I love it. babble bots are my favorite kind of bots ☝︎
gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: once I figure out how to do this USB replication things, I aim to see every that every lord / notable republican has a Masamune + the ability to replicate it. ☟︎
netmonk: damn i just realise it still exist people coding in lisp ☟︎
gabriel_laddel_p: I want every penny of commercial lisp code to be directed to republican pockets.
gabriel_laddel_p: I prefer to have access to an untainted market.
gabriel_laddel_p: That being said, I should drop a version in here for the lordship
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel_p: it gives an impression that , i suspect, you do not want
gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: I'm doing my best to keep it from the hands of idiots.
asciilifeform: phf: i also have some dead smbx 'xl' boards i got to decap & photo dies, but also never did it, and probably won't live long enough
a111: Logged on 2017-01-07 17:49 mircea_popescu: anyway, i'm not entirely up to speed re sad state of lisp world. i expect it's in the shitter, but not exactly clear how. is there any merit to the nude assertion that "lisp is a shittier thing than trb, because trb at least has SOMETHING that can be made into a musl ; whereas lisp does not" ?
asciilifeform: atm i'd settle for ~any~ useful schematics..
phf: i think we should draw a line at illuminated schematics though
netmonk: and for 0.3 more i can provide openvpn
a111: Logged on 2017-01-07 20:03 phf: mircea_popescu: it gives me a way to bring my knowledge and skill on par with people who invented computing, both on cs and ee sides. i keep one eye on a possiblity that i will be able to restart their work. in entirely hypothetical scenario of somebody coming to me and going "we want to build a personal computer that follows stan's 7 laws etc." i simply want to be able to do it from first principles. at worst there's going to be some
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598485 << fwiw it is exactly why i was doing it, likewise. ☝︎
ben_vulpes: well having failed to extract the battery from the dead car i must now do the aforementioned food run but also to get a 10mm deep socket
gabriel_laddel_p: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598267 < Thanks for reminding me. I don't trb, so went looking for them last time I was working on the LiveUSB, failed to find them and then continued working using the strategy I was prior. ☝︎
Framedragger: (i don't really see why you'd have to trust this intermediary node, though)
gabriel_laddel_p: Framedragger: thanks, but pass. I don't deal with computers I cannot physically touch.
netmonk: i can provide shell
Framedragger: whatyougonnado.jpg ; fwiw gabriel_laddel_p i'd lend you a vps for a month for free (i wouldn't have access to it) just so that you'd stop pissing people off, but your call of course
phf: mircea_popescu: it gives me a way to bring my knowledge and skill on par with people who invented computing, both on cs and ee sides. i keep one eye on a possiblity that i will be able to restart their work. in entirely hypothetical scenario of somebody coming to me and going "we want to build a personal computer that follows stan's 7 laws etc." i simply want to be able to do it from first principles. at worst there's going to be some ☟︎
gabriel_laddel_p: I'm never going to use his bouncer.
gabriel_laddel_p: I was online ~everyday idk, ~2 years ago?
netmonk: for how long am i voiced ?
ben_vulpes: i gotta do a food and battery run before these roads ice over, bbl
asciilifeform: phf: i have indirect clues that there ~were~ docs, and superb ones at that
asciilifeform: there is also a 3rd d00d, kalman reti, who i have not met nor know anyone who has
asciilifeform: phf: and i'm pretty sure that mallery is an nsa asset.
asciilifeform: all i got, for the most part, is what is in the wall-o-deadtree manuals, and what i gleaned from reversing 'snap4' binary in ida. ☟︎
phf: problem is that our man never really had the code (certainly no "rights" to code), since i think that the asset split went something like "you get the body and you get the soul", and the guy with the soul is keeping it in his garage to "turn into millions one day one i retire" sort of thing.
asciilifeform: phf: no rush, it is not as if we had a chip fab in which to make clones, or even particularly want to make clone (i have 0 interest in perpetuating 20 years of mit undergrad young cocklet crapolade code)
phf: i'm treating it as an avocation, so i'm resigned to glacier speeds that all these people require
phf: i have a second trip scheduled for second week of march to finish the process
phf: right, i think i was going to source it for completeness, but never bothered because of abstract.
asciilifeform: i have that paper. it was ~2pgs and about as useful as their sales brochure.
phf: (he i think published another paper on the subject of making lisp cpus, but with smbx as his @)
phf: well, shrobe went on to work at smbx, and used the evolution of the same stack to make an ivory. i wouldn't be surprised that's where the licensing went
asciilifeform: phf: i excavated my binder and found the item you had just linked. where dpl is described in approx same level of detail as eurisko's 'rtl' was in the lenatleaks thing. but i am now beginning to suspect that it got 'symbolicsized', e.g., subsumed into the properties they licensed from mit
phf: because ultimately chip was manufactured out of DPL files (described in aim-598) the whole deflayout/defregtype/defconst thing. i haven't seen ~that~ published anywhere
asciilifeform: phf: i'ma get back re subj after digging through the dead trees
ben_vulpes: i'm down for scarification, but only the high-entropy kind that comes of abrading self against road
ben_vulpes: subject of painting metal sheds, i just discovered "papercrete"
mircea_popescu: incidentally, /me is not a great fan of tattoos, by which i mean the meaningless optional bs, not the actual tribal/prison stuff. however, from a purely aesthetic perspective, isn't there something fundamentally wrong with the blocky ones (ie, the ones with large monocolor chunks) ?
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: ah, that's pretty cool. i see what you mean - you can see craters and the dark side still being the moon... collective delusion / cognitive dissonance something something! (and btw i meant the album but both work well in this instance..) :) ☟︎
ben_vulpes: howl at the blood moon or something i have no iea
phf: asciilifeform: because i have a paper by shrobe from 1982 vlsi conference (i could only find a hardcopy, been meaning to scan it), that explicitly says that data path generator was written for mit cadr, and that it opts the DPL code out of a gui environment. i haven't seen complete listing for DPL for the cpu either.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger i "really got it" coupla nights ago, out walking, splendid full moon with abendstar in opposition. and it was SO OBVIOUSLY a fucking planet, lit by the star in part that i really had nfi what people had been doing prior. it's fucking obvious omg!
Framedragger: luckily enough i realized i was on hash before i could quickly set up a blog in haskell and start writing stupid words about the singularity
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598383 << reminds me of how i first chanced upon lisp. i was eighteen, more pretentious than now, and had eaten my first hashcake half an hour ago. i was reading esr, jumped to topic of lisp and homoiconicity, and was like... d0000d. this is how you penetrate the universe. knowwhatimsayin. ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: phf: yer wrong. i have whole thing in a 3ring here.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598294 << scheme83 is like a "canticle for leibowitz" artifact. "published design" is overstatement of the century. scraps of published memos and reports spread over out of print conference proceedings, the bulk of actual technology needed to recreate probably somewhere on a TAPE. i don't know where you got that mask generator runs on scheme83. the entire production stack was for mit cadr ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: (i would like to thank the academy, the harem sluts, and phf / ben_vulpes discussions for inspiring me to come this far!)
trinque: I like it.
mircea_popescu: ill go harvesting parantheses in the meanwhile so i have a few stacks
trinque: I can give it some time next week
mircea_popescu: best i can tell the two aren't blocking each other in any way.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the idea is not without merit ; but i was gonna try an interactive slut.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i mean to say "if it gets mircea_popescu to write and think in lisp its a worthwhile use of lines"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform see, the sentiment is mutual - i want mine to eat you lot.
asciilifeform: i had this itch 2+ yrs ago but my evil plan was to make it simply eat the collected works of mircea_popescu rather than explicit rules
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i'd rather read your experiments in lisp than php
trinque: ben_vulpes: what I do need to do is release logbot-service.genesis
mircea_popescu: i've no interest in action and other such
mircea_popescu: ah. the way i was thinking this'd work would be : the bot answers to any lines where its name is mentioned ; and i can update its "brain" with a !^ url style command. whereby it replaces its "ai" code with the content of the file. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes what'd i script it in, lisp ?
trinque: but lets discuss; I've got idears
ben_vulpes: trinque: any action on recording all message lines or is that a patch i should cook?
asciilifeform: trinque: it was an interesting document, at one point i linked it here
a111: Logged on 2017-01-07 15:19 mircea_popescu: and entirely unrelatedly : anyone willing to stand up an irc bot for me (as a service for hire deal) and expose some kind of programmable interface that can read messages to it, process and push out a reply ? bonus points if i don't have to learn crazy-shitstick-"$modernlanguage".
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-07#1598150 << i would be happy to stand a trinquebot up for you ☝︎
mircea_popescu: yeah i was thinking... hm.
asciilifeform: 'At one point in time I reviewed ALL CL codebases.' << d00d read & fit-in-head all of macsyma ? i'd luv to see.
mircea_popescu: and let's pass in silence over the circumstance that i'd have never figured that out if i kept blogging by itself.
mircea_popescu: in practice i come to understand now, after thousands of articles / years blogging, that in fact the frontend to a blog should really be as close to a... vdiff patch! as practicable.
asciilifeform: published design, and not only design, but the mask generator (runs on, i shit thee not, itself, also) ☟︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform death distinguishes. i literally beat them until they either die or reform.