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asciilifeform: much of what people think of as 'dark age' of apple corp. took place without herr jobs
asciilifeform: it is no coincidence, though, that ms became synonymous with 'home computer' in the 90s and not earlier.
mircea_popescu: i'll readily grant that it didn't operate in any kind of free market in the 90s. but your statement was as of product
mircea_popescu: so now, the "competition on technical merit" leg of your statement, i see
mike_c: ^ i think you are underestimating what it took to build the monolopy.
mircea_popescu: it wasn't born that way.
asciilifeform: i suppose ms turdows being mandatory os of usg is also free market ?
mircea_popescu: so these are not free market ?
asciilifeform: and if that were the end... then, bundling pacts with pc makers, the collusion with intel to kill 'os/2' (secret cpu instructions), many other wonderful things
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i do. what part of that is not free market ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i presume you know the story of msdos
asciilifeform: mike_c: by that token, we should look up to 1990s russian mob as business teachers. 'take contract on creditor when cheaper than paying back loan', rectothermal cryptoanalysis, the joys.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let's argue this.
mircea_popescu: "well ithas the money" "well then money is bad"
mircea_popescu: mike_c but how dares microsoft tell x y z ppl what to do!
asciilifeform: the notion that ms turdware is a product of any kind of free market or competition on technical merit is a real comedy.
mike_c: nobody does have the power to tell the powerful what to do. mp has stated that some 5 million times.
BingoBoingo: Does S.NSA have a LISP fighter jet in its long term plans?
mircea_popescu: "nobody should have the power to tell us what to do"
asciilifeform: mike_c: the microshit style of 'doing business' goes a long way to explaining the popularity of communism, etc. among technical types.
asciilifeform: well yes. the latter is more like the famous disease where the victim cannot feel pain.
mike_c: he justifiably instilled more fear than steve jobs ever did.
asciilifeform: on the flip side of this, 'coward dies a thousand deaths, brave man - one'
mircea_popescu: i think it'll be hard for anyone born after 1990 or so to even understand fear.
mircea_popescu: "It's hard for anyone much younger than me to understand the fear Microsoft still inspired in 1995."
ozbot: Maja L. (lampelina) on Twitter
mike_c: lampelina: no rush, just teasing. good luck running it.
mircea_popescu: soo... inb4 500 bitcointalk threads where all sorts of experts explain how mp was indeed right and they were indeed clueless ?
lampelina: mike_c, will do my best for site to be up asap
mike_c: it's good to be lockheed.. best lobbyists in the industry.
asciilifeform: B007: since when, 1970? it's the same airplane every time
ozbot: $397 billion fighter jet deployment may be delayed by software glitches | Ars Technica
ozbot: IRS: Bitcoin is property, like a stock or bond, and not a currency | Ars Technica
bounce: TestingUnoDosTre: I didn't say that
jurov: no they guessed right that advertising is important. search is "only" the precursor for the addiction
mike_c: lampelina runs b-a.com now. hopefully she will remove the password requirement soon ;)
mircea_popescu: "If circumstances had been different, the people running Yahoo might have realized sooner how important search was. But they had the most opaque obstacle in the world between them and the truth: money."
B007: so if google in the next yahoo, who is the next google?
mircea_popescu: should have a bet as to wehen the first bitcoin corp makes the top
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: quite enjoyed your fun article. the sizes of the gaps between those layers is nothing to sneeze at :)
mircea_popescu: (if not, graham explains it better than i could : http://www.paulgraham.com/yahoo.html )
mircea_popescu: you familiar with the yahoo dotcom boom cycle ?
mircea_popescu: barely top 50
mircea_popescu: tbh procter and gamble may be the first item on that list able to duke it on its own
B007: why would the govt sponser google?
mircea_popescu: that's why start-ups can be easily destroyed by getting the wrong money sources early.
mircea_popescu: where the money comes from shapes the mindset.
ozbot: List of largest manufacturing companies by revenue - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
jurov: wherever the money comes from, their mindset will be utterly useless in collapse
mircea_popescu: google is tenuously a private sector corp.
jurov: yeah, google tends to support common good such as... public transport ? :DDD
B007: all the private companies, landlords
mircea_popescu: in other news, some guy sold 3500 records debuted in the billboard
bounce: greece is a shambles, but so far hasn't been too good for the eu economy as a whole. how would turkey have been different?
mike_c: hey, i was nominated for two webbys just 3 years ago :)
B007: it's hard to image some of those things happening in the us when it collapses because of its private sector though
gribble: Meet Fukuppy, the inadvertent Fukushima mascot | World news ...: <http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/15/fukuppy-fukushima-mascot-japan-fridge-egg-name>; Fukuppy, Fukushima Industries new mascot, is branding disaster ...: <http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/fukuppy-fukushima-industries-new-mascot-is-branding-disaster-8881883.html>; Fukushima Industries New 'Fukuppy' (1 more message)
asciilifeform: perhaps we can win a tcpipy. or something.
bounce: anyway, apropos churchill re americans, the eurocrats have a good track record of starting the same but finishing in the same way hasn't been in strong evidence
asciilifeform: i think everyone east of berlin knows that joke
jurov: so mircea think "cohesion" transfers to turkey would not caouse even bigger crisis?
asciilifeform: surely not for this.
mircea_popescu: i wonder how long till #bitcoin-assets gets the webby awards for the coolest place on the web
asciilifeform: [context: pres. carter dreams a bad dream] - 'plenum of central committee. ussr gensec reads report: great successes by the bread farmers of Kuban, Stavropol, Smolensk, Texas, Colorado provinces...'
B007: asciilifeform: thanks for that link
mircea_popescu: and omfg those iraquis don't even get pottery barn catalogs daily ?!
mircea_popescu: all these bank branches
mircea_popescu: suddenly there's all these schools to build.
mircea_popescu: jurov because it gives economy something to do.
jurov: how would it avoid the crisis?
ThickAsThieves: makes sense to me, you go into a country and have your military running the place for a decade, why not just stake claim?
mircea_popescu: the only way to use money in 2006 would have been to lift up turkey.
mircea_popescu: nobody asks the eu what it wants to stand for tho.
bounce: with erdogan in office? bit against what the eu purports to stand for.
mircea_popescu: same thing had the us the ballsack to make iraq the 51st state ☟︎
mircea_popescu: that'd have fully avoided the eu crisis.
mircea_popescu: actually it was sensible. turkey should have been taken into the eu in 2006
asciilifeform: or hell, why turks were invited into nato
asciilifeform: bounce: perhaps you know how long it lives as 'vegetable', on european loans / shared tech / refraining from zapping
bounce: how long did the ottoman empire take to collapse?
bounce: the US found new enemies to fight, as it is wont to do
ozbot: Closing the 'Collapse Gap': the USSR was better prepared for collapse than the US
mircea_popescu: only one admitted to it.
mircea_popescu: usa and ussr dissolved really at the same time
bounce: or ten minutes a day, every day. just need staying power.
mircea_popescu: mike_c the us was boss roughly speaking 1915 - 1980
bounce: can just declare the 10 day reich at home then. take two weeks off, nobody notices. success.
asciilifeform: even these are growing more modest. wait for the 100 year reich. 10.
mircea_popescu: who thinks the crap is "sustainable" and what's sustainable even mean in that context
mircea_popescu: saving animals and the environment and whatnot.
mircea_popescu: dotting the landscape these days.
mircea_popescu: sorta like all the numerous "ngos"
jurov: and they really thought such foreign policy is sustainable?
asciilifeform: ght run as follows: Today we've got a friendship evening with shit-eaters', or Today we're having some shit-eaters to dinner. Prepare a suitable menu'.' ☟︎
asciilifeform: Officially, all Soviet representatives regard these parasites with touching feelings of friendship, but privately they call them 'shit-eaters' ('govnoed'). It is difficult to say where this expression originated, but it is truly the only name they deserve. The use of this word has become so firmly entrenched in Soviet embassies that it is impossible to imagine any other name for these people. A conversation mi ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: 'In examining different kinds of agents, people from the free world who have sold themselves to the GRU, one cannot avoid touching on yet another category, perhaps the least appealing of all. Officially one is not allowed to call them agents, and they are not agents in the full sense of being recruited agents. We are talking about the numerous members of overseas societies of friendship with the Soviet Union.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that piece seems to be about 'говноеды' ('shit-eaters') no?
ozbot: Vina batranilor pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
gribble: Aprilie 2010 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2010/04>; Cocietate si Sultura pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/category/cocietate-si-sultura/>
mircea_popescu: ;;google trilema vina batranilor