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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: For quite a while now deedbot has been quit/joining right around 0:00 UTC

snsabot: Logged on 2019-05-07 22:06:11 asciilifeform: nao! there ~were~ text processors designed by thinking people, where it ~was~ possible to write a readable proggy with predictable failure conditions. e.g. 'snobol'. but these, buried under 30yrs of sediment, will take serious archaeology to unearth.

snsabot: Logged on 2017-03-30 10:38:11 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i will also nitpick : 'erlang' does not belong in the list, it was a 1980s product that worked quite well in its industrial niche (large telco switches) but was later stolen and used as a totem by the folx from yesterday's thread ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1633873 )

asciilifeform: looked even at ancient rusty 'five nines' behemoths that apparently work , for potential dusting off a la gnat.

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i'm starting to think, that asciilifeform is doomed to write a www server

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje iirc was defo a #t article

asciilifeform: i quite distinctly recall that it didn't work worthashit, and mp_en_viaje smashed a keyboard or 2

asciilifeform: rly there oughta be a apache-end util for this, but iirc mp_en_viaje actually went an' tried 9000 of'em and all were duds

mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, pages are 50kb at a time. takes a whole lotta them to make a difference.

mp_en_viaje: say you don't reply, just follow a link, a situation 100x more useful.

asciilifeform: these caches live in ram ( 'flask' dun offer a disk cache, and it'd nuke the ssd at any rate )

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i actually have cache, simply snipped out of genesis ver, need a few moving gears to invalidate it on 'tail' ('current') page of log when someone speaks

mp_en_viaje: in other lulz : anne heche got genital herpes from her father, who "sexually teased" her until she got her period or thereabouts -- this entirely has nothing to do with her "lesbian"-ism ; jessica alba got genital herpes from some indian dude ; paris hilton also got, possibly from dog ; britney spears got it as a teen ; pamela anderson, lindsay lohan (doh)...

asciilifeform: but prolly a liability in re reliably connecting to fleanode

asciilifeform: this was deliberate, so can work with e.g. a temporarily-disconnected znc on the other end

lobbes: I'll see if I can't make a blog post about this describing the ugliness under the hood of the current #e logger

lobbes: mp_en_viaje: regarding a) it is because even if genesis-ed the user would need to install and use pip >> http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-07-28#1925233

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: this only worx when in a chan neh

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-11 18:31:54 asciilifeform: well no this is a potentially catastrophic bugola

mp_en_viaje: a) why not genesis the item as is ? b) what exactly is the problem with it anyways ?!

lobbes: however, I'm wondering if there is value in just having something that just spits static files in a colorized format (ala the old eulora logger)

lobbes: now, I could make a logotron that either displays lines from that db, OR from ZNC logs/irssi logs

lobbes: I was going to make a logotron that displays loglines on a www. The logbot itself is already published (the one made by trinque/ben_vulpes)

mp_en_viaje: ok im fully confused. were you making a new logbot or not anymore ?

lobbes: mp_en_viaje: yeah, I think I might just do that. Make a simple parser that eats (perhaps even from the logbot db) and spits out html. I'll have to think on it

lobbes: mp_en_viaje: well, I still want to complete my own logotron. if there is an interest in a redone version of that old logger, perhaps I can respec

lobbes: they are all static pages too. Only time a db query happens is in the search

lobbesbot: Logged on 2019-08-07 19:00:04: <feedbot> http://ossasepia.com/2019/08/07/a-visit-at-the-recycling-of-war-artefacts-museum/ << Ossa Sepia -- A Visit at the Recycling of War Artefacts Museum

asciilifeform: lobbes: and, e.g. 999999;1565204404;feedbot;http://ossasepia.com/2019/08/07/a-visit-at-the-recycling-of-war-artefacts-museum/ << Ossa Sepia -- A Visit at the Recycling of War Artefacts Museum postdates the birth of the logger, so wai 999999 ?

feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-being-the-main-character-in-your-own-tv-show-is-sort-of-a-delusion-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - Being The Main Character In Your Own TV Show Is Sort Of A Delusion. Adnotated.

mp_en_viaje: speaking of meat btw : isn't it lulzy that all the butthurt coverage of sagawa (typical) somehow omits to mention that since the dude didn't kill anyone again, a) it's very dubious confinement would have helped anything and b) by implication, it's not clear it's such a helpful thing in all the other cases, either.

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: iirc it was a redditism (dunno whether had own reddit pit) , meme, 'lay down and rot' (i.e. what to do when yer goose is cooked but not yet gathered courage to eat pistol)

mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, a banned reddit ?

mp_en_viaje: yes, but a name, anything ?

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: was a #t piece

asciilifeform: diana_coman: np. don't hesitate to add the eater as vpatch (can put in a e.g. 'contrib' subdir, update manifest) .

feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-beer-goggling-isnt-natural-and-being-a-good-looking-girl-sucks-from-9-to-5-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - Beer Goggling Isn't Natural and Being A Good Looking Girl Sucks From 9 To 5. Adnotated.

lobbes: I figure I'm still going to publish my znc-eater.py anyways. Make a blog post out of it as a nice example of "why python sucks and bash ftw" if anything

lobbes: mp_en_viaje: you actually improved my archive process with just such a bash one-liner. I still use it to this day to get around the 'cloudflare' crapola. But you know, 10 years spent in a pot-induced fog tends to make one miss the obvious. I'm working with a new brain these days

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-11 16:20:54 spyked: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1926869 <-- quite. and btw, to add to the hunchentoot thread, it can be easily adjusted while while running (hence my earlier change-class trick), so despite the ugly pythonesque systems code, it is lispy from a functional pov

mp_en_viaje: http://trilema.com/2014/askfm-laid-bare-or-whats-half-a-million-uniques-to-you/ ? http://trilema.com/2017/how-the-beastforumcom-private-messaging-function-became-a-paid-user-only-item/ ? http://trilema.com/2016/the-unhappy-new-years-or-look-at-the-difference-a-decade-makes/?b=the%20sed&e=#select ? nope, nothing ?

spyked: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1927010 <-- one thing that most likely changed: they bought cars. traffic is a bitch even in that little town, even though it's entirely walkable in a few hours. granted, last time I was in MM was in 2007 and there weren't that many of them, but have only passed through viseu back then

diana_coman: meanwhile I actually found 1 instance I missed so I'll tweak a bit the awk (there's a "Log opened" instead of "day changed" and the timing/date there is also different so needs fixed)

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 12:55:26 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1926731 << not quite. if snsabot were a cl proggy, i would not need to restart it and lose connection to do knob turn.

spyked: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1926869 <-- quite. and btw, to add to the hunchentoot thread, it can be easily adjusted while while running (hence my earlier change-class trick), so despite the ugly pythonesque systems code, it is lispy from a functional pov

asciilifeform: i kinda wonder why his raw log aint a sexpr

lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-08-11#1927428 << sheesh, I spent a total of 10 hours I'd say on that znc-eater.py and diana_coman solves problem with one line of bash... wd indeed ☝︎

asciilifeform: atm we're doing quite a bit of hand-cranked mirrorism for this. but ultimately would make moar sense to have mechanism where gns(....hash....) spits out ~always~ e.g. diana_coman's log tape, or logotron.vpatch, or whatnot, for so long as can reach ~any~ tmsr machine

mp_en_viaje: there's actually a shortage of intelligent people who aren't also correspondingly dumb to balance it out.

diana_coman: I suspect so; there's a shortage of building blocks, not as much of what to do with them

asciilifeform: incidentally this thread opens up ancient q, of whether it'd make sense to bake a 'tmsr distributed storage' item

asciilifeform: it's still, i dare say, a quite barbarous logger. ( in coupla wks i expect we'll find out whether in fact asciilifeform cracked the riddle of fleanode socket barf, incidentally ) but imho beats shit out of 'maybe, we have loggers? on warm weather days?'

asciilifeform: tryin' to picture why someone would attempt nontrivial proggy in 'bash'. 1 traditional reason is that yer writing a worm.

mp_en_viaje: "A simple, modular IRC bot written in bash"

mp_en_viaje: in typical scam hub fashion a) calls perl b) piles of .jar

asciilifeform historically found that any bashism that attempts a nontrivial stateful thing, in practice breaks teeth against nonstandard platformisms ('hey grep dun eat -blah on linux circa 2003' etc) and ends up working only where written

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 05:32:19 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1926566 << "After pressing you will need to run npm install from the project directory in order to pull down just under 100mb of depshits in order for this to work." top keks. left you a comment, too.

mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, as a factual matter, all the http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1926726 couldjust as well been one-liners, for a combioned weight of 100kb rather than 100mb

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: 'vdiff' was, 2015-2018, a bash 1liner..

asciilifeform: there are a coupla modern ditties with 'educational' bent, e.g. 'a scrub is a guy who'll get no luvv from me!'

BingoBoingo: Well, the thing is how they use the branding. Putting the Honda brand on it means mass market in the way VW meant mass market. Now here we are a century into powered flight and the mass market brand has a plane, but the mass market is even poorer than it was at the dawn of flight. No Honda Jet Airstrip in every gated subdivision.

mp_en_viaje: actually it is kinda funny ~only usian song subjects are either jaysus or else "Ashley. You 're a fuckin' bitch. You left me for a guy named Lance. Ashley. You 're really stupid. Cos I was saving up to take you to France. Yeah, I was gonna take you to France." variants

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: and incidentally a 'greyhound'-type bus costs nao about 1mil.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what's so novel re the pictured machine ? my ride from bucharest to timis was in a tub that looked quite like this, only slightly larger

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: in current era, it's a work that has all of the appeal of those safari tours where you shoot tame lion

BingoBoingo: The folks I knew who went pilot did the lessons. The one I talked to more was constantly stressed, because only so many of the folks taking lessons and flying prop planes from Murphysboro, Illinois to Pinckneyville, Illinois and back would get the opportunity for further instuction on flying things that would earn them a bunk and meals.

asciilifeform: ... one time there was a sort of show at the uni, 'rotc' corps brought some old (vietnam?) artillery pieces. i walk up to one , the cranks -- surprisingly -- oiled, start to aim it at uni admin bldg. sargeant : 'they forbid us from permitting audience to touch these! but pleeeez come to the base, you can play with it all you like! and wontcha consider to sign up ???'

BingoBoingo: "Guaranteed flight instruction" does not mean "fly our planes for us". It means "here are some waivers for a civilian general aviation course"

snsabot: Logged on 2017-11-30 18:04:55 asciilifeform: today jet man is more or less a programmer with uncommonly unpleasant working condition.

snsabot: Logged on 2017-11-30 18:15:59 a111: Logged on 2016-12-08 18:28 asciilifeform: gymnasts may not be perfect example. when you have a role where the training per se is costly, you're stuck picking. e.g., pilots; i recently read a quite interesting autobio, 'Обречены на подвиг' ('condemned to heroism', roughly) by su flying d00d / instructor / colonel. described how children having any physical imperfection, even tooth cavity, were mercilessly

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: in asciilifeform's extended meatwot, there's a fella who signed up for this. flew in iraq, today -- hobo

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i suspect deeper problem. somehow subj lost appeal in 'civilized' world... as a boy i dun think i met one single boy who did not at least on boy level wish he could become a jet pilot

BingoBoingo: Gotta understand, US is largely German and misc. other serfs by mass. When the US needs a song to set to aviation footage they use Jesus stuff like Greenbaum's "Spirit In The Sky"

BingoBoingo: Sounds like as good of a reason as any to start pushing a "fighter of the future don't need guns" meme

BingoBoingo as child yet to see kindergarden had a favorite book. Included all sorts of aircraft. The only ones I remember with certainty were the SR-71, A-10, flying radar picket, and the loser F-4 that didn't even have a gun while pretending to be a fighter.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-11 09:24:30 mp_en_viaje: something was definitely amiss, there's no commercial path this way, but thia airliner spent a minute or so driving straight towards us.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-11 13:09:14 thimbronion: BingoBoingo: here is a re-encrypted copy of the encrypted message you sent me earlier as evidence I have the private key: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Kkmtg/?raw=true

BingoBoingo: !Qlater tell trinque http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/pizarro/2019-08-11#1000032 << Fellow from earlier indeed appears to have his private key. When you get a chance to, please swing by #pizarro to see if you can help him debug his issue decrypting deedbot strings to !!v. ☟︎

asciilifeform: i'd like to fill up #a, #p

mp_en_viaje: it's a approachably non-trivial, multiply useful task.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-10 22:32:08 asciilifeform: logger prolly a notbad test.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-10 22:19:18 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927238 << the back/fwd links a la phf ? defo will go in (i'm aiming for 100% feature parity) but some time after the raw-export and similar knobs aimed to make redundant-backup installs easier

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-10 16:55:24 lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927241 << my process was indeed downloading the archived zips. I still have the data, though the archiver iron has been disconnected during my physical move to a saner location. This weekend I will get that iron back online and archiving

mp_en_viaje: something was definitely amiss, there's no commercial path this way, but thia airliner spent a minute or so driving straight towards us.

asciilifeform: logger prolly a notbad test.

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927248 << i'ma move that clock some time no one is awake. and in general prolly worth to adjust it regularly (monthly?) nao that there's a log on that box.

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927238 << the back/fwd links a la phf ? defo will go in (i'm aiming for 100% feature parity) but some time after the raw-export and similar knobs aimed to make redundant-backup installs easier

lobbes: However, it eats a dir full of ZNC logs, sorts in chronological order, puts it all into one file with proper unix epoch timestamps.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-10 14:23:48 mircea_popescu: we utterly must have a logotron archiver, no way around it. hey lobbes is your still functional ? spyked , were you at some point downloading the zips or was it him ?

lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927241 << my process was indeed downloading the archived zips. I still have the data, though the archiver iron has been disconnected during my physical move to a saner location. This weekend I will get that iron back online and archiving

BingoBoingo: I've been on a chili kick recently. Will probably photo blog something along those lines by the end of the month.

BingoBoingo: Irony of Ironies is that North Argentina Pantsuit more likely to see a jail cell. South Argentina just might elect theirs President again.

mp_en_viaje: in other news, got a little moar pipe for trilema, turns out can only do so much of that, want to or not. hopefully this alleviates, wtf.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-10 10:49:59 diana_coman: funnily enough re driving I had the precise opposite trouble: had to trust a bit more *some*O!!

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-10 10:37:23 asciilifeform: ( the other bit, is that vestibular 'stone' aint anyffin like a perfect gyro, it has substantial 'stickiness' )

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927184 << this is the larger part ; also has fatigue and also has a list of "magical transformations" where it reduces/ablates the tree in surprising ways (really, informed by bias resulting from "land creature").

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927179 << but THEY call it instinct. like they call education "rape" and like they call everything things. like the romanian morons call tjheir thing "a country", an unjustified audacity the zulus of last century did not express, and like any morons ever call things what they heard is good to call things. what

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927168 << yet the way in which experienced pilot gets to have instinct worth a shit is by ~not~ worshipping instinct as such.

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927140 << there's also that, ti is a whore, contaminates easier than chocolate bar in the hands of a 5yo

mircea_popescu: we utterly must have a logotron archiver, no way around it. hey lobbes is your still functional ? spyked , were you at some point downloading the zips or was it him ?