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davout: asciilifeform: a sane wallet would make it very easy to avoid dust fragmentation
asciilifeform: davout: my point was solely that a car sans-brakes is not a car
davout: asciilifeform: take 20 UTXOs spend them in one go to a single address, poof! UTXO set has shrunk
thestringpuller: is there a way to scrape the UTXO set in TRB or do you have to do that manually as of now?
trinque: there was a decent thread on how 'wallet' end up being 'arbitrary declared index of declared addresses'
davout: thestringpuller: UTXO set is ~2gb tops, indexing might be nice but necessary to scan for UTXOs that match a given set of addresses, also the wallet part can cache them if that particular wallet is the only one able to actually spend those UTXIs ☟︎☟︎
trinque: I can't find davout saying he refused to provide such a thing in his patch
asciilifeform: prior to a replacement being ready.
asciilifeform: but not only will i not sign such a thing, i question the sanity of anyone who would.
asciilifeform: snipping old wallet is a trivial patch, i suspect that any and each of trb folx could re-create it in half hour
davout: asciilifeform: there's a difference between "not yet" and "never"
asciilifeform: tell me why a cut should be so much as considered for ten seconds without a ready, tested replacement.
asciilifeform: davout: you just said that you have not yet produced a replacement ?
a111: Logged on 2017-01-27 18:53 davout: but also appreciate the fact that i'm a fine position to know what is painful, retarded, and needs to die in bitcoin when it comes to issuing transaction
davout: but also appreciate the fact that i'm a fine position to know what is painful, retarded, and needs to die in bitcoin when it comes to issuing transaction ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu had a pretty good imho description of the necessary cutting-apart of trb
asciilifeform: it'd be one thing if davout proposed the cut ~in tandem with~ a standalone walletron. even if it were made entirely out of the old one. ☟︎
asciilifeform: and not 'working but you gotta go to some unspecified junkyard and glue a new liver for it out of ??? first'
ben_vulpes: davout: why would you even consider releasing a patch that leaves trb unable to cook and transmit transactions? keep it on your table where it's useful to you.
asciilifeform: it's the WHOLE FUCKING POINT of a reference client.
asciilifeform: i'm with ben_vulpes . it's a motherfucking REFERENCE CLIENT
asciilifeform: (i would certainly not use a walletron based on openssl that DOES NOT PRE-DATE VALUABLEBTC forfuckssake)
ben_vulpes: davout: trb cannot exist in a state where "user must supply code for x"
asciilifeform: davout: we don't even have a suitable bignumatron yet
asciilifeform: 'i'ma snip out this cirrhotic liver and some time later i'll maybe find a new one' ?
asciilifeform: or is the plan to create (why???) a quite-useless castrato-trb.
asciilifeform: !~later tell mircea_popescu is there a translation of http://trilema.com/2011/oul-morganatic/ ?
asciilifeform: and in a lulzy continuation of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-25#1606755 >> in the fishwrap: http://archive.is/wnygX ☝︎
asciilifeform: but in latest lulz, http://archive.is/8G35m >> 'O’Grady was mistakenly identified this week as a Secret Service agent (also named Kerry O’Grady) who is under investigation for posting a statement on Facebook that appeared to indicate she preferred jail over being shot and killed for President Trump.' ☟︎
trinque: he's going to have a blast
a111: Logged on 2017-01-27 10:33 davout: my first attempt at something that'd somehow resemble a vpatch (when the light is just right!) -> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/JTh3K/?raw=true
mod6: <+asciilifeform> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-27#1608062 << that looks like an ordinary unix diff << yup. and if you got an error when running vdiff, some of us have run into this on various linux boxes. iirc the solution was to install a newer version of gnu-awk. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: so BingoBoingo here's a stray thought :
a111: Logged on 2017-01-27 12:41 mircea_popescu: what the fuck is a police station for, other than l'attaque d'une bande cagoulee ?
a111: Logged on 2017-01-27 10:33 davout: my first attempt at something that'd somehow resemble a vpatch (when the light is just right!) -> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/JTh3K/?raw=true
a111: Logged on 2017-01-27 10:29 davout: or remove the dependencies one by one until removing the wallet is merely a "rm wallet.cpp" away
a111: Logged on 2014-02-17 19:02 asciilifeform: 'some demented people in gulag during the years of the cult, for their amusement, would select women from the contigent of 'enemies of the people' and for 'some sin' sit them down upon anthills.' bottom: 'young women who refused to become lovers of their executioners in gulag would be sat upon anthills, tied to trees, 'for the mosquitoes and ants.' sometimes a pipe would be inserted, made from a reed or a birc
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is a police station for, other than l'attaque d'une bande cagoulee ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: yeah, well, at some point someone thought "hey, i know, we'll wear shit on our heads and go break people's doors". the obvious "then people will wear shit on their heads break your door" however got handwaved, because there's nothing specialer than a special snowflake.
davout: kinda bijective with "let's put a wallet in bitcoind", catches dust too
mircea_popescu: lol what a thoughtful household head you are.
davout: probably easier to merge multiple patches into one than unmerge a hairball
mircea_popescu: davout even if the whole bundle is released in one go, it is probably best practice to do the snips one at a time in that many patches.
davout: my first attempt at something that'd somehow resemble a vpatch (when the light is just right!) -> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/JTh3K/?raw=true ☟︎☟︎
davout: getting a feel for the whole patch authoring process without touching anything very sensitive
davout: or remove the dependencies one by one until removing the wallet is merely a "rm wallet.cpp" away ☟︎
snowbound33: I'll come back here at some point in the near future. I'm holding off for now, I want to set up a bouncer first if I'm going to be active in irc again
snowbound33: it was adapted from a tweetstorm a few days earlier by https://twitter.com/hradzka/
snowbound33: no, sorry, I didn't write that article about the book. That was a guest post
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's a whole pile of stuff. but no, i didn't think you wrote the book you reviewed.
mircea_popescu: there's also a web interface.
mircea_popescu: there's a log, you can search through it with
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607965 << actually they are, pretty much. usg public contracting is very transparently an exercise in subsidizing the population ; odds of you getting a contract are entirely a function of some senator "creating jobs". ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-26 22:42 asciilifeform: 'There is a carry propagating bug in the x86_64 Montgomery squaring procedure. No EC algorithms are affected. Analysis suggests that attacks against RSA and DSA as a result of this defect would be very difficult to perform and are not believed likely. Attacks against DH are considered just feasible (although very difficult) because...
asciilifeform: there is 0 reason why the cable to your lcd is not a fiber.
asciilifeform: it is MOST peculiar that -- afaik -- NOWHERE can you buy a rs232-to-toslink converter.
asciilifeform: a few $ each.
asciilifeform: imho could easily live a new life as non-radiating ('tempest') connector between crypto gear.
asciilifeform: 'Today, the Wikimedia Foundation announced the launch of a community health initiative to address harassment and toxic behavior on Wikipedia, with initial funding of US$500,000 from the Craig Newmark Foundation and craigslist Charitable Fund. The two seed grants, each US$250,000, will support the development of tools for volunteer editors and staff to reduce harassment on Wikipedia and block
asciilifeform: as if anyone gave half a shit about any attacker but the One.
asciilifeform: ' The amount of resources required for such an attack would be very significant and likely only accessible to a limited number of attackers.' << lel
asciilifeform: !~later tell ben_vulpes plox to enlighten me, a poor sinner, why did crapple break the HOME and END keys ? what did they ever do to'em ?
asciilifeform: 'There is a carry propagating bug in the x86_64 Montgomery squaring procedure. No EC algorithms are affected. Analysis suggests that attacks against RSA and DSA as a result of this defect would be very difficult to perform and are not believed likely. Attacks against DH are considered just feasible (although very difficult) because... ☟︎
ben_vulpes: galois corp doesn't have enough butts on staff to have a good chunk of anything outsourced to it
asciilifeform: trinque: i have not been there. i associate it mentally with galois corp., the outfit to which usg.nsa subcontracts a good chunk of critical dev work
trinque: there will however be a lot of californians to deport
trinque: there's a reason I moved home, and why Portland ~never~ became home.
mircea_popescu: "big whoop, could have reconstructed in half a summer"
mircea_popescu: sure, but this is a minor facet of a complex gem.
asciilifeform: expensive, breakable machinery in a geographic concentration, that is orders of magnitude easier to destroy than to rebuild -- is still a thing.
asciilifeform: is there a shortage of idiots where trinque lives today ?
ben_vulpes: "yeah who knows he probably has a container of servers on his land somewhere, but he also keeps the entire region connected to the bitcoin net so anyone who fucks with him fucks with the whole valley"
ben_vulpes: don't bury a container of xyz much less tell anyone about it. be indispensable to the people who feed you.
asciilifeform: trinque: ask the syrians, or iraqis, how profitable is refinery when there is measurable chance of it eating a thermite grenade on particular day
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: aha. say 'i have a buried container of XYZ' and folx write down your coords.
mircea_popescu: not at all. look at the incentive structure. for one thing, they knew the ride isn't going forever so it's planned. for the other, a http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607386 is long overdue by now ☝︎
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: in re china embargo, that'd be a tidy provocation for cn to demonstrate how easily the us fleet is shredded.
mircea_popescu: there isn't going to be a "us mil" if things fall apart. there wasn't a soviet one either.
asciilifeform: trinque: ~everybody in usa is a passable shot. so far dun seem to have prevented washington, lincoln, fdr, et al.
mircea_popescu: this is what a nation is. laugh if you will, but it won't do anything.
asciilifeform: they are not a 'state in a state'
asciilifeform: there is a not an autarkik wonderland sitting inside usa.
ben_vulpes: the oathkeepers are a notorious joke, and nobody's going to stand up to a commanding officer to defend the good people of texas, no matter how little the ordered disliked texans the day before.
mircea_popescu: they're nobody on a stick.
asciilifeform: but usa, like any mega-empire, had a motivatory idiology for the rubes, and said ideology is sinking, because the necessary chumpatronic rewards are increasingly unavailable.
trinque: but there's a kernel in there
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607831 << well yes, it is a given that 'if everybody dies, the cockroaches/mongols/etc. will build own city, from 0' ☝︎
trinque: I really don't give a fuck if the outer husk becomes a nation
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes it's not clear. maybe it finds itself a nation at the bottom of it.
mircea_popescu: the louder if useless city kids don't have it, but what they have or don't have is irrelevant - anyone with a social media profile is dead as of last week
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes you don't want a strong currency while industrializing.
mircea_popescu: in fast times, the unlikely is a good predictor.
mircea_popescu: likely/unlikely is a decent heuristic in slow times.
asciilifeform: 'american comeback' is a lulzy thing coming from folx who do not ~explicitly~ discuss the necessary crematoria
mircea_popescu: sort-of like a self-applied russian solution.
mircea_popescu: this wouldn't be a civilisation comeback. on the contrary, it would be controlled civilisation demolishing. in preference of the inevitable alternative.
ben_vulpes: trinque: yeah actually that's a good one to roast liberals with.
asciilifeform: usa dun really have a purge apparatus. or experience thereof.
mircea_popescu: once chitlin get to look into the face of their own irrelevance, things get going in a jiffy.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: there are a zillion fracking taps the saudis 'tricked us' into putting in.