asciilifeform: if you wouldn't make a hammer handle out of it -- it makes for poor kbd material.

asciilifeform: not even sintered ceramics, a la what my lathe cuts with, like shocks

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: porcelain dun do 100million bangbangs

asciilifeform: in other non-noose, asciilifeform still searching for a http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-10#1696834 . ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-12#1712439 << looks like open-and-shut case ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-12#1712440 << so move it, lol ☝︎

asciilifeform: nighty

asciilifeform: ( supposing you aren't doing it allday, everyday )

asciilifeform: for humanlang textentry, even a very threadbare kbd is notbad

asciilifeform: nah i know a buncha folx who dun care at all. they work with... pens

asciilifeform: ( subj : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661482 ) ☝︎

asciilifeform: dunno about yours, but mine are staggered

asciilifeform: possibly i am unfamiliar with subj

asciilifeform: unsportsmanlike!11

asciilifeform: i dun think they do 6axis cnc

asciilifeform seriously considered getting one done

asciilifeform: milled stainless prolly would not retail for anywhere south of 2000

asciilifeform: if it only needed pcb, everybody would just call up favourite pcb fab and then stfu

asciilifeform: ( and not merely pcb )

asciilifeform: requires custom solid objects.

asciilifeform: correct.

asciilifeform: ( lettering, to an adult man, on a kbd -- is optional. how often do you look ? )

asciilifeform: which is the only thing that could not be done with massaged 'model f'

asciilifeform: in my case i would even be content without letters, but simply to control the number and ~placement~ of keys.

asciilifeform: hypothetically ( actually trinque was the one who asked , http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-12#1712398 ) ☝︎

asciilifeform: is what thread was about. ( and that is at the minimal, in my case i also want to fit existing pistons , and req'd luft is no larger than what is permitted in rifle barrel )

asciilifeform: if i want custom lettering -- not commodity

asciilifeform: the only known satisfactory method is called double-shot injection molding, where the letter is cast ( yes, physical shape, e.g letter A ) and then key is cast ~around~ it

asciilifeform: i.e. the keys.

asciilifeform: the item directly to do with bespokeness is the difficulty of shaping heterogeneous solid objects with 0.01% accuracy.

asciilifeform: in thread, 'model f' is approx. a top hat.

asciilifeform: you would if you wanted a top hat!11

asciilifeform: plox to concretize : when mircea_popescu goes to get a suit made, what kind of fabric does he specify ?

asciilifeform: no amount of sophistry will justify a bespoke rollsroyce with soviet pistons, or a bespoke kbd where letters wear off .

asciilifeform: *minimum

asciilifeform: i did say 'mimimum'

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu would buy rollsroyce with bespoke cabin and soviet-quality engine ?

asciilifeform: it means 'exactly as i want, with the mass-produced plebeshit as minimal bar'

asciilifeform: because arbitrarily decided ?

asciilifeform: because why

asciilifeform: would mircea_popescu accept 'bespoke' suit that in ANY way (aside from cost) falls short of mass-produced liquishit plebesuit ?

asciilifeform: this means that the chassis is custom. out of what do you propose to make it ?

asciilifeform: let's forget model-f pistons and flappers. which aren't made today, and can only be made with injection mold. take, at the very minimum, that you decide how many keys, and where they go.

asciilifeform: not microshit.

asciilifeform: thread was about bespoke kbd

asciilifeform: in qty of ONE ?

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-12#1712434 << this is hilariously, riotously wrong, btw. doyahave anyfuckingidea what is involved in making a DECENT ( i.e. injection-molded parts ) kbd ? ☝︎

asciilifeform: infuriating rubbish, made by wreckers.

asciilifeform: not a single one permitted RESTING the foot

asciilifeform: WITHOUT EXCEPTION all currently made input periphs are shite. especially, egregiously, the pedals -- i've thrown away 3 or 4 nao

asciilifeform: rather than naked 'how many buttons can i press per second'

asciilifeform: way i see it, cleverly made kbd is really for minimizing flow disruption

asciilifeform: if you actually NEED 100s-of-wpm for something, as opposed to pissing contests in arena, dwelling on anything other than a bespoke (for YOUR hands) chorder, is lunacy. ☟︎

asciilifeform: ( minus the hover, wtf , why wouldja )

asciilifeform: that sounds quite like what i do, lol

asciilifeform: whossat

asciilifeform: ( i dun need 300 or even 200 'wpm' for anything, so it dunbotherme)

asciilifeform: and 'slow' because fingers must after all move laterally

asciilifeform: that'd look like e.g. my model-f.

asciilifeform: ( w/ up-down-neutral pos. for switches. )

asciilifeform: well a hypothetical 10-finger variant thereof, could

asciilifeform: prolly 500+ with skilled operator.

asciilifeform: kanzure: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=861 << here ya go

asciilifeform: ever see a post-1990s kbd that was in use for coupla yrs, the lettering wore off. this dun happen on proper keys.

asciilifeform: ( the item where the lettering NEVER wears out, because it is simply the inner layer of the key is black and protrudes just-so )

asciilifeform: if you, as i do, insist on inset-casting

asciilifeform: even this is trickier than first appears

asciilifeform: grand will buy you shite.

asciilifeform: ( not much reason to expect that it would cost substantially less than, e.g., bespoke bicycle costs. ) ☟︎

asciilifeform: trinque et al : i often wonder how many people would be prepared to pay what 'bespoke kbd' costs.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-12#1540430 << earlier thread re subj ☝︎

asciilifeform: and has a couple of kg of iron.

asciilifeform: i muchly prefer the 'f' -- no membrane dome anywhere inside of it, unlike 'm'

asciilifeform: phunk phakt : 'f' cost ~2k 1980 usd.

asciilifeform: ( don't be confused by the external resemblance to 'terminal model-m'. mechanics entirely different. no rivets, for one thing. )

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661475 << thread ☝︎

asciilifeform: trinque: nothing beats modelf + the custom controller imho

asciilifeform: but -- noshit -- this dun scale.

asciilifeform: i solved this by doing the model-f thing.

asciilifeform: i even have comps with no input mechanism at all!111

asciilifeform: believe or not , i have one of even those , too

asciilifeform: why not carry the 'think more, type less' thing to logical conclusion. ☟︎

asciilifeform: PeterL: if not, why not ?

asciilifeform: PeterL: ready to have yer keyboard confiscated and replaced with telegraph key ?

asciilifeform: i do not tolerate this in my house, and cannot picture why anybody else does.

asciilifeform: shinohai: the comp is a machine that MUST ADAPT TO THE MAN, rather than the man to the comp. which is why it is infuriating idiocy , when an op that is done 9000 time daily ( say parens ) lives behind a metakey, while microshitian idiocies like 'printscreen' get own key ☟︎

asciilifeform: nor want.

asciilifeform: now that one i dun have.

asciilifeform: lol

asciilifeform: PeterL: numpad

asciilifeform: experimenting...

asciilifeform: ohai mod6

asciilifeform: e.g. https://elaineou.com/2017/08/17/hate-music

asciilifeform: ^ lulzy and not wholly uninteresting www

asciilifeform: !#s elaineou.com

asciilifeform: oh hey and built-in support for ethertardium, 1000+loc's worth

asciilifeform: hey dontcha lust to buy gadget for producing signatures so you can THEN THROW THEM AWAY lol

asciilifeform: https://github.com/trezor/trezor-mcu/blob/master/firmware/signing.c << lollamatic, support for segshitness etc

asciilifeform: cnat read just fine when it's gavin talkin'

asciilifeform: i would ask 'what's to keep some unrelated d00d from making walletrons that simply talk over rs232..' but then remembered that it is probably same thing that keeps'em from making rng where ditto despite how OMFG WE PUBLISHED DESIGN