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mircea_popescu: the ONLY reason they're still here is that i've not decided to end them.
mircea_popescu clearly recalls that when i showed somethingawful.com the cat they immediately stfu and ran away.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-25 22:22 ben_vulpes: WHAT i ask you IS THE POINT of an ultra-heavy IDE that a) cannot tell me where the protocol breakage is during a refactor much less what to do about it b) has a project search SO MISERABLY BAD that a man must revert to grep in order to find ANYTHING
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-25#1606735 << i don't think anyone ever held that xcode is either functional or useful. apple likes it because it's tm and that's about it. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-25#1606728 << i don't readily perceive the difference between these two cases ; outside of "if girls are thirsty they're still stupid whereas if i need to shit i know where the wc is." ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-25 20:54 asciilifeform: 'Yes, it was mainly for FetLife's and my protection, and we had to act swiftly. One could easily argue that we didn't move swift enough and that I shouldn't even make this post because something in it might incriminate FetLife or me.' << lel
ben_vulpes: for BingoBoingo http://i.imgur.com/NuNbW1X.gifv
ben_vulpes: also phf may i please have the log backups?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: posix regexes work, i'll see what the performance implications are of using those instead.
ben_vulpes: i ain't selling "pg fts" as any sort of solution; 'tis largely an experiment in pg search and data modeling.
ben_vulpes: i hear ya
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i find broken ~search~ particularly infuriating, because it is so easy to make a working (i.e. grep-compatible) one
ben_vulpes: WHAT i ask you IS THE POINT of an ultra-heavy IDE that a) cannot tell me where the protocol breakage is during a refactor much less what to do about it b) has a project search SO MISERABLY BAD that a man must revert to grep in order to find ANYTHING ☟︎
ben_vulpes: ugh mircea_popescu how do i find the qualia thread in your blog
asciilifeform: 'Let's say we move our servers to the newly formed country of Fetopia. The US, UK, Australia, Germany, etc. can still make it difficult for people within their countries' borders to access FetLife. I don't think we would do the community a favor by making FetLife harder to access.'
asciilifeform: 'Yes, it was mainly for FetLife's and my protection, and we had to act swiftly. One could easily argue that we didn't move swift enough and that I shouldn't even make this post because something in it might incriminate FetLife or me.' << lel ☟︎
ben_vulpes: okay so i didn't not do my homework yet.
mircea_popescu: or chiromancy w/e you call i
phf: "I appologize [...] I believe we did what we had to do" that's not how appologies work.
trinque: d'oh, I found 86
mircea_popescu recalls a time in the 90s... concidentally at the time the world was last great i was too young to care much about women.
asciilifeform: i suppose ~everything~ went to shit while i slept in the cave. even this.
mircea_popescu: i feel this will make a lot of difference.
mircea_popescu: ie if i sold some btc to buy lm and relocate it to turkmenistan
mircea_popescu: i deemed myselg well informed by the nonfakenews outlets.
mircea_popescu: i was thinking turkmenistan
asciilifeform: i have 3 versions of qemu here, all of'em end up with 'read error 9'.
asciilifeform: unrelatedly: in re the metal lisp thread: http://picolisp.com/wiki/?PilOS << i could not get this to boot. but it is ~exactly what i had in mind (i'd much prefer that it be with a scheme, rather than a crackpot dynamically-scoped 1970s lisp, but the idea is illustrative)
asciilifeform: i always suspected that the glass doors are a kind of 'fuse'
trinque: nah, it's much closer to "I just want to" and govt is responsible for preventing it
asciilifeform: why these are built, i cannot say. i suppose americans believe that theft is part of the great circle of life, and burglars are also people, and Need to Eat, etc.
phf: hmm, i can't recall anyone doing it in the 90s. i think this is a uniquely american problem though, where you can't trust frame to hold the door in place. traditional solution is to simply put the door on welded frame inside a concrete hole, so you will need something better than a claymore to dislodge it
asciilifeform: i suspect that all of the folx who did this , are resting in peace/pieces
mircea_popescu: i'm kinda surprised nobody does the claymore security door thing. "if you shock this door... nice knowing you."
asciilifeform: i don't build jets. but i do live deep behind enemy lines, and will have -- if lucky -- about 5 seconds of time to pull the pin when the door breaks down.
asciilifeform: hey i don't build fusion reactors either.
asciilifeform: actually i can think of 1 traditional situation where it does
mircea_popescu: gee whiz. i dunno.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'm not discussing practical utility, merely that it makes sense from a technical perspective. unlike the other thing.
asciilifeform: i'll point out, largely for n00bz, that we do not in fact know whether breaking rsa is hard.
mircea_popescu: in that sense i propose the MP Certainty, which says that it will NEVER happen. ie, at no point in the history of humanity will it be cheaper to break rsa through "quantum computing" than through electronic computing.
mircea_popescu: i dunno how to meaningfully discuss it in terms of time, but i am willing to bet anything that the leap between $current-situation and $quantum-computing is larger not just than the alchemy-to-cyclotron gap, but actually larger than all extant science.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i hold they are not, for the following reason : the nonsense of contained cold fusion rests on mechanical problems, ie, the plasma expands and therefore cools too fast. at least we have SOME TOOLS to do mechanical work with. like you know, a fulcrum. perhaps the plasma could be put in a fulcrum somehow ? or maybe with cogs ? dunno, should at least investigate.
mircea_popescu: literally, mana from heaven is not a more contortedly i-read-penthouse-in-physics-class
asciilifeform: if i had to guess the actual unit cost, i'd put it at couple of hundy.
asciilifeform: (i cannot speak for folx living in other monkeystans, but over here even shoelaces will remain available strictly while-china-ships)
mircea_popescu: i thought the alloy perma ones do about .5
mircea_popescu: ok, ok, i'm done befouling the logs. such insanity.
mircea_popescu: i dunno, i expect he collapsed from exhaustion
mircea_popescu: if i had to order out in this shithole i'd have shot someone. did i ever tell you about the "sushi ya!" order which showed up THREE HOURS later ? idiots were VERY surprised nobody's taking their bs.
mircea_popescu slathers even more beouf salad on top of lovingly homemade sourdough. you know that's real mayo, made by hand out eggs yes ? and that the womenz cook every day or else there's terrible consequences ? o look, there's half a pot of delicious soup! maybe i'll order some pie. which means - i say make pie, they make pie.
ben_vulpes: and with that i'm going back to the rocket stove
nicknaem: i dont hate the world though
nicknaem: you know, I agree on many things you write
nicknaem: I must say, the not naming myself thing kind of got under my skin
ben_vulpes: eheh in other dependent hacks, dog wanted to destroy things the child was throwing, so i gave the child a lemon to throw around. dog will chase, but not retrieve the lemon.
shinohai: danielpbarron: I have an archive i can get you later this evening, i moved this morning and setting up nw
ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: i'll root around for mine later today
danielpbarron: oh, from who can I get a copy of mp-wp ? my blog box seems to have crapped out once and for all. figure it's a good excuse to migrate to something better
mircea_popescu: hey, i don't live there, so...
ben_vulpes: based on historical record alone it is very unlikely but i put the chances that mircea_popescu dramatically underestimates the scale and scope of insanity running amok in the states at ~5%
mircea_popescu: which is why he joined the army, too, trying to bait that absent father ; and which is WHY the candy thing. didn't want the fucking candy anymore than i do. just wanted to see if dog may be enticed to bark in the exact manner that'd get it shot ?
mircea_popescu: "At the end of the field exercise, that holdover was walking up to groups of us, offering to sell us candy for $20 a package. We all knew to keep our distance from him – he was untrustworthy, he was in trouble, and he was only going to get you in trouble too if you associated with him. And yet, Chelsea Manning bought a package of M&Ms from him for $20. I remember that scene, because Manning was not quiet about it. She was p
mircea_popescu: mats i tell you guy almost makes me want to sign up.
mircea_popescu: dude ~maybe~, if i know them personally and care on some sort of level i might update some dork's gender. unless you invent fucking vlsi the odds aren't too good of that.
davout: wtf am i watching
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-24#1606333 << i'm with mats. "dod", seriously ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-24 01:51 phf: (fwiw last time i checked in with clasp, it was also dog slow, probably a combination of insane technology tower and lack of optimization strategy, that all goes back to original point "writing lisp is hard")
a111: Logged on 2017-01-24 01:16 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-23#1606170 << no, and i think it's a combination of "scaring" and complexity. takes a lot of effort to build one from scratch. clim's beach actually tried building one, SICL https://github.com/robert-strandh/SICL which is closest to "compartmenalized", but i'm not sure where it is. probably heavy WIP stage. (and reading the ilc slides it seems like it's beach/mcclim style overengineered)
phf: it's also possible that the development cycle that involves basically no way to twitch (i.e. you're either hacking for 5 hours or gaming for 2 or you're on "trilema bbs" for 30 minutes) has something to do with it ;)
phf: (fwiw last time i checked in with clasp, it was also dog slow, probably a combination of insane technology tower and lack of optimization strategy, that all goes back to original point "writing lisp is hard") ☟︎
asciilifeform: i'll point out that mulisp (47kB) included bignum (again, in asm) ☟︎
asciilifeform: what i am asking is to dispense with the motherfucking cpp.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i don't really know what you're asking. his uses llvm-ir to tie into cpp, it's the ~whole point of it.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: llvm is mighty heavy, so i'm not sure how this statement disproves mine
ben_vulpes: i
asciilifeform: (i.e. the portion not written in 'itself')
asciilifeform: i can't really think of any excuse why the 'machine anchor' of common lisp HAS to be any bigger than, e.g., tinyscheme's
a111: Logged on 2017-01-23 21:47 asciilifeform: !~later tell phf do you know of any public cl implementation where all os-specific liquishit is reasonably compartmentalized ? (it isn't in sbcl, cmucl, or ccl, and did i miss anything..??)
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-23#1606170 << no, and i think it's a combination of "scaring" and complexity. takes a lot of effort to build one from scratch. clim's beach actually tried building one, SICL https://github.com/robert-strandh/SICL which is closest to "compartmenalized", but i'm not sure where it is. probably heavy WIP stage. (and reading the ilc slides it seems like it's beach/mcclim style overengineered) ☝︎☟︎
phf: asciilifeform: i somehow missed that later tell, i thought it was in pm
a111: Logged on 2017-01-23 22:02 ben_vulpes: an american politician following through on campaign noises is astonishing i tell you
ben_vulpes: i made people read corinthians at standup for a while
shinohai: thats it i was checking if it banned > 3 lines! :D
danielpbarron: i only have the one domain and it doesn't need changing so I rarely have to actually use the thing
a111: Logged on 2017-01-23 20:13 asciilifeform: every registrar i know of, has followed this pattern.
ben_vulpes: mats: ah well i can see how it'd be less than riveting then
mats: e4 e5 ... f3 c6 ... etc. looking back it does feel like i kinda slept through most of it, standing up
mats: its mind numbing, i did actually play chess on paper as a mental exercise for some weeks
mats: ben_vulpes: i grew up in the church, so... i lost count
mats: i went to all of the religious services - even the one for wiccans - to collect reading materials and sleep in the pews
mats: worst part was not having anything mentally stimulating to do, i had to ask people to send me books in the mail so i could read something besides labels on shampoo bottles and the fucking bible
a111: Logged on 2017-01-23 22:11 danielpbarron: bb and I discussed this in the log already http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-20#1378244
mircea_popescu: i'm sure.
danielpbarron: got a lot more unrates but maybe i'll keep those out of the chan as it's mostly just cleaning out names that i haven't seen in years
danielpbarron: bb and I discussed this in the log already http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-20#1378244 ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: anyway, i thought aa people were very gingerly careful to not say they're a religion.
ben_vulpes: an american politician following through on campaign noises is astonishing i tell you ☟︎
ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: i'm a bit surprised a segwit stoolie ranks as positive in your book
asciilifeform: !~later tell phf do you know of any public cl implementation where all os-specific liquishit is reasonably compartmentalized ? (it isn't in sbcl, cmucl, or ccl, and did i miss anything..??) ☟︎