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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the ships still run win98, bit of a lag

mircea_popescu: "Parse did a lot of things right." ☟︎

ben_vulpes: where "decisions" ===== "the code i produced that appeared to work a few weeks ago"

mircea_popescu: in the process creating a contorted mess.

ben_vulpes: got a case of mongo. everything else follows.

mircea_popescu: wtf is wrong wit hthese people. the index to data factor isn't a benchmark of efficiency.

mircea_popescu: "The object-level ACL system was highly inefficient. Numerours indexes were required that could sometimes surpass the actual data size by a factor of 3–4." << i guess i'm the only one with production dbs where the indexes are 90%+ of the whole thing ?

ben_vulpes: you have to identify as "a coder" to even consider the stuff

mircea_popescu: i am the fuck ahead of the 8 engineers, and i'm not even a coder.

mircea_popescu: by now nobody actually has the faintest inkling of a clue as to how computers actually run. at all. whatsoever.

ben_vulpes: persistence is slow and competence expensive, what is a sv fingertrap author to do but eschew writes to disk and hire the lowest common denominator?

mircea_popescu: "Backend was completely on Amazon Web Services •It was planned to migrate Parse to Facebook’s infrastructure (e.g. Haystack, Tao, F4, Extended Apache Giraph, Gorilla) but the project was abandoned •Roughly 8 developers working on SDKs, 8 on the server, 8 DevOps + a few more engineers" <<< 1) no it was not "planned", fuckwads don't have mp certificate in planning, may not claim they are engaging in any planning. the prop

ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: you want random words in a string, you shoulda seen the guy pitching "a cryptocurrency blockchain signature solution to the marijuana regulatory burden" the other night

mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes listen, you're quoting a bullshit mfa trying to product place some inept dork. he did nothing ; is nobody ; random words in a string.

mircea_popescu: "Parse Server •Server was Rails at first (with 24 threads max. concurrency) with very little throughput per server (~15–30 requests per second) •The server was later rewritten in Go. The open-source Parse server is written Node.js and lacks many functionalities of the original Parse server in Go." <<< holy shit, can you believe the idiocy ? "we wasted a bunch of money doing stupid shit because we truly believe" ☟︎

mircea_popescu: it's pretty much that + "stories from around the web -- find out the secret glassblowers don't want you to know about how a mother of two in vincente lopez lost five kgs off her coffee mug each morning one weird trick!"

mircea_popescu: a right.

ben_vulpes: and to quote myself in another channel, "soz for cynicism but if it looks like madness and a tower of abstractions written by frontend devs who don't in2 systems...it probably is."

mircea_popescu: "Technical problem I: complicated rate limiting. If limit exceeded by a factor of 60 for a minute, requests were dropped. Limits were tracked using a shared Memcache instance. Consequence: when developers experienced rate limits in the API, they added retries. The retries incurred enormous load in the Parse backend." <<< translation : "we are three years old. wut is dis ?"

ben_vulpes: which to quasiquote mircea_popescu "what is even a native mobile developer"

ben_vulpes: near as i can tell, and it tripped my retard alerts fast so i didn't invest much in determining how it works, someone used that to make a "database as a service" for mobiledevz

ben_vulpes: bezos does this thing with the timeshare where he'll keep a virtual instance image warmish and boot it when the rest of the system says "hey we got a request for that instance"

mircea_popescu: lmao "sold as a package deal with fb advertising"

mircea_popescu: the pain and suffering echo chamber resultant is supposed to come as a surprise i guess ?

mircea_popescu: averagetard excepts to crochet a culture out of what he sees on tv and tv expects to crochet programming out of averagetard culture.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: they 'modernized' a 'dr jeckyll and mr. hyde' or wut

mircea_popescu: the problem with cultural appropriation as a content generation strategy is that it only works if there's a fucking culture in the first place.

BingoBoingo: Apparently they premised a TV show episode around it

mircea_popescu: i suppose lockheed martin is a gravity developer ?

mircea_popescu: in other news, what the fuck is a "blockchain developer"

asciilifeform: 'Have you ever wanted SSH or telnet access to your system from an “internet desert” - from behind a strict firewall, from an internet cafe, or even from a mobile phone? Anyterm is a combination of a web page and a process that runs on your web server that provides this access...'

mircea_popescu: that was a typo sorry :) was just checking the thing out.

trinque: kind gentleman in #lisp points out that the second arg ought to be a list

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i dun see anything 'uci' about it -- looks like a script that serves up a shell? 1990s parlour trick

mircea_popescu: apparently there's such a thing as hashbang.sh

BingoBoingo: Hard to formulate a law of idiocy when well of idiocy is too deep to explore.

asciilifeform: ..that's a woman??!

mircea_popescu: fucking epic. so - putin asks trump about extending the START, trump says it's a bullshit deal.

BingoBoingo: <thestringpuller> duct tape is useful for actual ducting... << NO!!! For that you need a Mastic Ducting tape!

asciilifeform: it is properly a 'harem object'.

asciilifeform: ers, handymen, the auto mechanics of the IT industry, all flocked to Perl because they could tinker so well with it with no required knowledge or skills.' ( http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3241270848355795@naggum.no.html ) would go a long way. ☟︎

asciilifeform: the expulsion of 'In all likelihood, there was no change at all to the labor-intensiveness, but the labor was more "fun" for a certain class of people. Now, industrious retards can be a horrible thing. Over a number of years, close to a decade, Perl accreted bits and pieces from programming languages and became usable in lieu of a programming language by people who lacked the mental wherewithall to do programming. Tinkerers, repair ☟︎

asciilifeform: incidentally -- there is more to this crapolade than meets the naked eye. regexp is a fundamentally braindamaged concept -- not only in the way described by naggum (how do you infer false positives?) but also in the haskellian idiocy where 'reasonable' and 'thermonuclear self-annihilation' programs look nearly identical, and distinguishing them is np-hard

asciilifeform: drepper is a 'ustard' ?

mircea_popescu: apparently "enclosure calculation" is a fundamental braindamage of ustards ?

asciilifeform: 'We found a few extended regex expressions in GNU libc that will crash or abort the execution of regcomp or regexec. For instance: \a?{1,32767} will immediately exhaust the stack calling calc_eclosure_iter in the compilation. A small variation of this regex is: \a?{0,32767} will consume a very large amount of memory: it seems to eat 16GB in less than a minute. It is also possible to exhaust the stack memory trying to parse...'

asciilifeform: 'Another unsuccessful rocket torpedo inventor was Patrick Cunningham, an Irish immigrant who earned his living as a shoe maker and repairer in New Bedford, Massachusetts. Samples were tested for several years at NTS but the short range and wholly unpredictable trajectory destined this weapon for the scrap heap. However, in one last fling of exuberance, Cunningham fired his torpedo down the main street of his home town; it roared along

thestringpuller: Why are OpenSSL types so ridiculous to work with? EC_KEY needs to plug into BIO which has to plug into TTY before you can even print the thing to stdout or a string.

mircea_popescu: "Boston University's Charles River Campus is cancelling daytime and evening classes on Thursday, February 9, 2017 as of 6:00 AM. All academic and administrative activities (e.g. classes, seminars, student activities and meetings) that are scheduled to take place are cancelled." << global warming gave boston a winter storm the likes of which was rarely seen.

phf: ^ reminds me of a 90s ru joke, a "new russian" (i.e. mobster) is showing off a piano in his giant mansion lobby. so the friend goes "you know how to play it?" "no, but i got some egghead stopping by tonight to show me how"

trinque: anyhow that's a californian exclave by now right?

mircea_popescu: i mean suppose what'll now forever be known as the phf problem : you find yourself stranded in tijuana with a drunk slut in bed. you want to buy breakfast. wut do ?

trinque: folks want to use it out on a night of drinking, can. want to hold it more tightly, also can

mircea_popescu: there;s a lot of flexibility here. i mean i can see the value in terms of both ease of use and discovering how frail the system is to not bother with opt challenge ; on the other i can see the value in terms of solidity and so on to do bother.

mircea_popescu: so you know, if you pass a !!up...

trinque: might be a good thing

mircea_popescu: of course im not so sure tight coupling between deeds and bills is such a good idea.

a111: Logged on 2017-02-09 01:57 mircea_popescu: trinque what do you think re bill, line 1 name, line 2 amount in satoshi, all likes prefixed by a # memo field ?

asciilifeform: (though for n00bz i will point out, c compilers as a class did not get much play in the z80 days, because everybody programmed in asm (well, in codes, most folx asmed on paper , by hand)

mircea_popescu: i suppose it's a harsh blow to the socialist dorks to realise that no, being "an activist" doesn't mean you're someone. every yoko ono out there shudders, and that's... most of the movement.

mircea_popescu: anyway, apparently melania trump worked as a high end escort, sez daily mail ? i never had the pleasure, but seriously, wouldn't you WANT a president whose daugther is keen ?

a111: Logged on 2017-02-08 23:29 shinohai: I tried to install it in a sandbox, naturally it says "Oh you are a speshul case because you dont share your private keyz with us"

a111: Logged on 2017-01-29 17:56 mircea_popescu: then you can look through mimisbrunnr and see the sort of load bitcoin db implies, then you'll be in a fine position to model adequate tests for the profiling thing above

mircea_popescu: trinque what do you think re bill, line 1 name, line 2 amount in satoshi, all likes prefixed by a # memo field ? ☟︎

shinohai: The only reason I am still testing Deb/Ubuntu at this point is to help potential noobs that have a smidgen of an idea how to operate linux

deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2017/02/08/the-shallow-depths-of-the-apparent-deep/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - The shallow depths of the apparent deep.

shinohai: I tried to install it in a sandbox, naturally it says "Oh you are a speshul case because you dont share your private keyz with us" ☟︎

jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Error: "s" is not a valid command.

mircea_popescu: we'll have to have a standardized bill form i guess.

mircea_popescu: trinque but anyway, here's a directly evident usage already, guy starts auction in #eulora, lobbesbot makes him a bill, guy goes !!pay http://bill

trinque: speaking of which, ben_vulpes, I'm hacking on the raw protocol logging thing today for a bit. dunno if you did anything there to get ACTION working with logs.bvulpes.com

a111: Logged on 2017-02-08 17:10 mircea_popescu: !!rate lobbes 3 eulora logs + auction bot, and altogether a very solid lordship candidate.

jhvh1: thestringpuller: Error: "s" is not a valid command.

shinohai: http://thebitcoin.foundation/trb-howto.html <<< is pretty self explanatory ... phf also has a nice source viewer which is helpful for reading the code.

mircea_popescu: what's your definition of scratch ? it was built from genesis, which is a historical client deemed closest to "no nsa involvement"

mircea_popescu: Reuel pretty sure it has a --help

Reuel: ah yeah i hobbied a bit with the cli before, can't seem to find it now... i'll look harder

mircea_popescu: !!rate lobbes 3 eulora logs + auction bot, and altogether a very solid lordship candidate. ☟︎

shinohai: I was a Debian fag for years until the Lordship convinced me of gentoo switch

Reuel: Also, in the spirit of what you guys are doing, I'd guess Ubuntu would not be the prefered system to run a bitcoin node on for serious use, do you have suggestions as to what to use?

mircea_popescu: kind-of easy to forget (especially for the ustard who never knew) that there was a california a thousand years ago, and it was called languedoc.

a111: Logged on 2017-02-08 04:40 phf: first time you see a physics ph.d. with a patent you're kind of impressed, but when you have ten of them in a row..

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-08#1612420 << and the first time you see a lord in full regalia it's also kind of impressing ; by the time the peasants made themselves replicas and every barefoot-in-the-mud haystack princess is embroidering her "crest" on pillows... ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-02-08 00:28 mircea_popescu: but anyway, yes, they won't fucking yield, mostly because being a libertard means you have absolutely nothing else, so what exactly would be the difference between yielding and blowing oneself up ? they would, isis style, if they had the guts.

a111: Logged on 2017-02-08 04:36 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-07#1612232 << umd is a giant h1-b clearing house, when you take away that, there's nothing left. at a recent career fair i saw huge lines of azns and indians at google and facebook booths ("our wait time finally dropped below an hour so i could get away and grab lunch")

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-08#1612417 << quite exactly, yes. a fine example of the general principle in http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-08#1612300 ☝︎☝︎

phf: first time you see a physics ph.d. with a patent you're kind of impressed, but when you have ten of them in a row.. ☟︎

phf: i could count the natives on two hands, and only one or two with the right kinds of brains. on the other hand incredibly large number of "i have a ph.d. and a patent back in china, studying here for compsci undergrad"

phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-07#1612232 << umd is a giant h1-b clearing house, when you take away that, there's nothing left. at a recent career fair i saw huge lines of azns and indians at google and facebook booths ("our wait time finally dropped below an hour so i could get away and grab lunch") ☝︎☟︎

shinohai: It isn't bad really. You can test drive in a chroot until you have time to build actual kernel.

shinohai: gentoo definitely solves a lot of headaches

asciilifeform: get a known-working one.

thestringpuller: only a matter of time before some ISP blocks all outgoing 8333 traffic

asciilifeform: thestringpuller: if you're interested in a perma-cure, plz consider answering my qs

asciilifeform: (supposing you're behind a nat)

asciilifeform: thestringpuller: one other thing: is there a prb node also on your lan? it might have led to malleus banhammering of your ip.

mircea_popescu: a hunting rifle suffices.

thestringpuller: asciilifeform: dulap has been down for like a month now?

asciilifeform: vietnam is a fascinating treasury of lulz, and quite well-documented. how, for instance, the command was mainly occupied with question of how to actually make the conscripts fight instead of 'travail arabe' imitation (consisting of retreat and shots fired for sound effect)