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asciilifeform: whereas it is the ~hindu~ who had the moar accurate picture -- that , sure, 'errybody soul', but some 70-90% have 'soul' from cockroach with 486dx upgrade pack
phf: i wouldn't blame "children!" on alan kay though, he's a product of piaget's huge influence on post-hippie american academia
mircea_popescu: "what sort of blackguard would dare propose that if you give children dildos they'd put it in playdo ?! THAT IS NOT WHERE ID EVER STICK A DILDO! THIS IS WRONGOG!!!"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: imho simpler. the folx in question were labouring under ye olde christian delusion, where 'errybody got a soul'
a111: Logged on 2017-07-18 22:58 asciilifeform: whaack is quite likely thinking of the bulk of the b00k, which consists of blockcipher liquishit which is complicated for no reason at all other than the religion where 'it is confusing to ME, author, and therefore Must Be Hard To Break'
mircea_popescu: cuz smart people keep doing this http://trilema.com/2016/why-is-that/#selection-221.55-225.273 thing, whereby http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-18#1686299 : "i, the all-important lone mind in the universe, can't summon up an image of how the universe'd go if it were took somewhere it never went before, and therefore -- any nonsense i come up with is valid!" ☝︎
asciilifeform: recall alan kay and his proto-ipad, 'if they get tabletron, children will learn to logic'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: also entertaining , to read the thoughts of the folx baking early television, '20s, 'errybody will watch great theatre!'
asciilifeform: ( radio -- welded the coffin shut )
mircea_popescu: tesla invented the car anyway, i was just making a point, ~in the structuralist style~.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as i understand, it was actually ~roll piano~ that nuked 'entertain self' music, rather than the scratchy phonograph of the time ☟︎
mircea_popescu: there's nothing intrinsically black about jazz new orleans, except for the part where the black people were the only poor enough to still have to entertain themselves.
mircea_popescu: black culture used to create music at a time white culture was no longer for the same reason as the above : they were poor and retarded and didn't have music time-travel boxes.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-06 14:47 mircea_popescu: anyway, to put some meat on the bones of "works with cca 2015 vintage drivers, and them only." : incorrect vintage drivers manage to literally fuck the chip, i have never seen dma errors before in teh logs, now have i seen chips refusing to turn back on and in general hardware level spew, "wrong mode d3", "error -5" etc.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-06#1858813 << this, btw, is quite ordinary picture in recent ~decade of iron. given as even humble nic is nao a multicore arm thing, and has own kernel, and sometimes whole MB of internal state, fulla vendor shitware; so yes, can wedge . ☝︎
mircea_popescu: but anyway, to revisit the literacy angle... "congrats on creating the music recording box, mr. tesla. the side benefit is that in a short time there won't be any musicians worth recording left, because of the competition to their craft your time travelling device produces will destroy the very economic reason for their continued existence".
mircea_popescu: well, you're reading the spew of a markov process with expectations of terminologic propriety ?!
mircea_popescu: something like that. but this -- more of a 60s thing.
mircea_popescu: phf i have nfi that such a thing as post-structuralism happened in ru. at any rate prior to nuland help.
phf: i wonder if lotman's post-structuralism is same as the french, or if it's that only in a sense that it's post. anyway, this is cool and i'm going to pick up his other shit next time i'm in moscows
mircea_popescu: but in the end -- no human invention was actually useful. just relatively useful.
mircea_popescu: this position is not without its merit. of course it also proposes literacy as the end of literature ("since they can write their shit to paper, they don't write anythingt worth remembering").
asciilifeform: imho can tie the two threads together -- when linux folx stopped giving a shit about kernel size, they went to the same hell as when the physics people ditto
a111: Logged on 2016-12-21 18:32 mircea_popescu: because no, words don't "have meanings". your meanings for ANY WORD are a function of ALL THE OTHER WORDS YOU KNOW. which is why my definitions regularily blow out english dictionaries, wikipedia and other sources of "wisdom" out of the water - i know more words, and in this knowledge i know all the words i know ~better~. infinitely and irreproducibly so.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-21#1587276 being little more than "one line summary of structuralism" and so on. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: (large portion of what informs "cultural marxism" bla bla on social media today, but that's hardly their fault.) ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: by my reckoning, some kinda pustule popped open at 2.7 and linus's merry men started taking liberties
mircea_popescu: phf afaik the tartu school not heretical.
phf: i didn't know yuri lotman was a semiotician, back in high school i had to go to sleep with lotman literary analysis books, like those vietnam conscripts with their rifles
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i dun know if i have the keys to where they keep the real semiology ( if mircea_popescu says that it exists , i'll believe him ) ; as it is, i hear the word and think 'lacan' and reach for luger
a111: Logged on 2018-10-06 14:33 mircea_popescu: (nobody could really appreciate all the complex flavours of the shitpie that is linux until they learn that there 's ~an automated process~ to produce "compatibility" driver bundles for "old" kernels, out of the building blocks of two kernels and a driver. now -- ask to see the design papers of that item ?)
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-06#1858800 << they switched the userland abi, but 2.4 continued to live ( i've found that i still have at least 1 device in service where not only 2.4, but 2.4 that post-dates the release of 2.6 ) for many years, as it was moar compact and suitable for small iron than 2.6 ( which had better support for e.g. smp , but overall hog vs 2.4 ) ☝︎
mircea_popescu: amusingly enough, i could see the paralel between alf's (not entirely unsuported in practice) notions of "useful physics -- turn of the century, einstein-centric" and "useless physics -- string theory" and semiology/semiotics.
mircea_popescu: anyway. 1800s tech, is the idea.
mircea_popescu: not that this distinction's with THAT much difference in context.
mircea_popescu: phf no that is the other one. semiology is the a c de saussure thing.
mircea_popescu: semiology, theory of signs, signifying and significance.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman the situation somewhat salvaged by the happenstance that you can't be any of those under about 60 years of age or so. (with exceptions, but they're rare enough).
mircea_popescu: i almost felt like an alf for five minutes before running away screaming to the numeric method.
diana_coman: perhaps; I'm not sure though that current theorist/linguist/semiologist/gnoseologist/etc necessarily knows what they are supposed to know
mircea_popescu: anyway, to put some meat on the bones of "works with cca 2015 vintage drivers, and them only." : incorrect vintage drivers manage to literally fuck the chip, i have never seen dma errors before in teh logs, now have i seen chips refusing to turn back on and in general hardware level spew, "wrong mode d3", "error -5" etc. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: the soviet-ness of this epic wastage of resources is mindblowing.
mircea_popescu: so everyone who has any clue as to how any of this shit works and why is busy derping about "intersectional queeritude" among the DD/lg crowd of paci sucklers,
a111: Logged on 2018-02-02 22:58 mircea_popescu: mod6 he has no idea ; it's not expensive considering what the actual cost per round is. add in all the capital costs, including the fact you're wasting your time there rather than diddling the local highschool girls' volleyball team...
mircea_popescu: all the problems of computer "engineers" would be directly evident to any literary theorist / linguist / semiologist / gnoseologist / theorist of language / historian of philosophy / etcetera. except for the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-02#1780289 problem, where they all preferred to chase the cuntherd instead of paying any attention whatsoever to the nonsense dribbling off the red stapler guys crowd. ☝︎
diana_coman: oh, was it supposed to be coherent and not self-contradictory? I missed that part,lol
mircea_popescu: in the end, "foss" is not any more coherent, or intellectually respectable, than christianity.
mircea_popescu: which makes the whole item self-contradictory.
diana_coman: more like they don't have a notion of "working indefinitely" or even of more than tomorrow
mircea_popescu: now, why the fuck they'd use an implicit grammar-lexicon bundle like this, i have no fucking idea. but the fact that they ~shouldn't~ (which they should not) is NOT opposable to me! since they do, i have my argument!
mircea_popescu: it's seem to me that by the semantics of the bizarro world these gnus inhabit, something working is a promise for that something to keep working. because the criteria by which they use things is "hey -- it works" ("we believe in rough consensus and working code", in in-universe terms), and therefore... everything that ever works thereby promises to keep on working indefinitely and for any possible usecase.
mircea_popescu: "but mp, you don't understand how the world works" "what is the meaning of '''new''' in the context of '''similar enough to old for this scheme to work''' "oh, it doesn't PROMISE to stay that way! this pile just works as long as it does!" "which isn't a promise ? and if it stops working, what, time for linux-backports-compat-compat, a set of scripts to update the set of scripts that updates...?" "YES!" ☟︎
mircea_popescu: (nobody could really appreciate all the complex flavours of the shitpie that is linux until they learn that there 's ~an automated process~ to produce "compatibility" driver bundles for "old" kernels, out of the building blocks of two kernels and a driver. now -- ask to see the design papers of that item ?) ☟︎
diana_coman: I'll soon do the regrind of eucrypt to move it on to keccak hashes; my plan is to keep the patches precisely as they are otherwise (i.e. including NO manifest until I actually added it at the end); the way I see it, it's just a swap-in-place of one hash for another; if anyone sees this sort of thing differently - since I'm hmmm,first to regrind a big project? - yell now ! ☟︎
mircea_popescu: now, why the fuck would chamberlain choose to only publish a dozen or so of the compat modules, i couldn't guess. but the list there is woefully incomplete, the story goes back at least to 2.4 kernels.
mircea_popescu: by the looks of it, wireless cards on laptops work with os wireless drivers from a 3 to 6 months period around their release. gotta get teh right timing.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-26 00:18 mircea_popescu: in the end, useless hp box found new life as heroes 2 playstation.
mircea_popescu: brought about by y.t. fixing http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-26#1854603 through generous application of sewed out linux-wireless-compat-blabla. turns out the aeteron pci board included (mysteriously dubbed "revision 0032") works with cca 2015 vintage drivers, and them only. ☝︎☟︎
phf: i learned to jump through these hoops for the motherland
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in things that'll prolly need mirroring : https://backports.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Main_Page & http://drvbp1.linux-foundation.org/~mcgrof/rel-html/backports/ (lol).
Mocky: oh thx phf
phf: Mocky: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/gmsRV/?raw=true you could set these options in firefox's about:config (there's probably a way to do it through gui), they are self explanatory. the last one ensures that dns is routed through socks. the first one can be either 1 or 0. i usually just go into about:config and toggle that to 1 when i need socks (there are probably extensions, etc. etc.)
mircea_popescu: o yeah ?! WELL THE OCEAN CALLED...
mircea_popescu: kids today and this sarcasm thing!
Mocky: yeah mircea_popescu, your level of text output needs a boost...
mircea_popescu: doh! i gotta take typing classes.
mircea_popescu: of course, if the place you're in makes this necessary, it is MUCH better to set ssh on port 80 on the local machine and just proceed.
phf: it also helps to have a machine where you have ssh sitting on port 80, for when you are on e.g. hotel internet with a dumb firewall
phf: i assume in this case your proxy is as secure as your ssh, you can do it on demand, and you can also run it against any of your remote hosts.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-05 22:25 Mocky: a lot of sites are blocked in qatar and i don't know if I'll need it but I'd like to run a web proxy on my pizarro shared hosting just in case. can someone make a recommendation? do I need something like tinyproxy or squid, or is there a way to do it without installing anything?
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-05#1858751 << my preferred method is to `ssh -D 8080 host` which sets up a socks proxy with port 8080 on your local machine and outbound on the `host`. you can then configure e.g. firefox to send everything through that proxy ☝︎
deedbot: http://bimbo.club/?p=43 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR Log Summary - 10/03/2018
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: plox then to gpggram, i'ma setup when i wake
a111: Logged on 2018-10-05 22:25 Mocky: a lot of sites are blocked in qatar and i don't know if I'll need it but I'd like to run a web proxy on my pizarro shared hosting just in case. can someone make a recommendation? do I need something like tinyproxy or squid, or is there a way to do it without installing anything?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform imo that avoxi item sounds fine. send you # ?
asciilifeform: the tunnel thing is for if you find yourself in some fascist bananistan that blocks fleanode etc
asciilifeform: 'screen' proggy is handy there.
asciilifeform: Mocky: fwiw i very rarely use tunnels as such, usually makes moar sense to simply use browser etc on the remote box via ordinary ssh
Mocky: asciilifeform, ty
asciilifeform: Mocky: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/uKGVw/?raw=true until the damn thing moves off shitazon
Mocky: cloudfront 504 on that link atm
asciilifeform: ^ and after that you can e.g. http or irc to locahost:LOCALHOSTPORT and get to THIRDPARTYBOX:THIRDPARTYPORT via YOURREMOTEBOX
asciilifeform: Mocky: 'web proxy' is ssltronic garbage in all cases. what you want is general-purpose proxy, and atm that's ssh tunnel.
Mocky: asciilifeform, ok thx
asciilifeform: Mocky: ssh tunnel
Mocky: a lot of sites are blocked in qatar and i don't know if I'll need it but I'd like to run a web proxy on my pizarro shared hosting just in case. can someone make a recommendation? do I need something like tinyproxy or squid, or is there a way to do it without installing anything? ☟︎☟︎
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: !Q later tell mircea_popescu http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ql56A/?raw=true
mod6: Perfect, thanks Sir.
trinque: I'm not gonna be pissed if you can't handle it same day. Thanks for letting me know.
mod6: And I think you can just handle the thing then. Thanks.
mod6: BingoBoingo: Please just enter a bid from yourself on behalf of Pizarro for 1 satoshi more than I bid.
mod6: trinque: Looks like the date that your auction closes I'll be busy and not able to settle with you myself.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/10/retired-fbi-agent-intimidated-witness-in-attempt-to-manipulate-political-process/ << Qntra - Retired FBI Agent Intimidated Witness In Attempt To Manipulate Political Process
asciilifeform: diana_coman: it's quite obscure, never took off industrially
diana_coman: I must say that I am ...blissfully unaware of it
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform is not aficionado of 'plan9', but will note that it achieved 1 thing -- was, at its mid-2000s peak, 10x smaller LOC-wise than linux )
asciilifeform: they took it to even moar ridiculous heights in 'plan9'
asciilifeform: diana_coman: it's the 'unix philosophy' sad.
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-05#1858557 -> heh; kind of why I tend to do the replies all at the end rather than as I read them though it's less convenient ☝︎