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asciilifeform: recently i found that even a plebe could, in theory, afford a few thou. units of 1980s-style fab.

mircea_popescu: gee. how big is a 22nm z80 lol

asciilifeform: makes'em in modern fab, cheap, too, i have a bunch of samples here

mircea_popescu: i'm sure. wasn't much of a problem in general in the z80s days

mircea_popescu: ro for any item larger than a few transistors' worth.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-18#1629015 << odds are it couldn't be re-done in a current fab, the vast majority of current fab constraints go towards avoiding echos and other self-crits the design may impose upon itself. as the engineers at the time didn't labour under the same constraints, and they're cutting out way more than 99% of the theoretical design space, the odds their work product would work in 14nm process are ze ☝︎

mircea_popescu: that said, it could of course be re-done, by people who understand completely what it did. but a lot more work than "print me these old family films on modern paper".

asciilifeform: phf: i've contemplated a 'cheat' : run macivory 'lifesupport' on patched m68k emulator (e.g., 'basilisk') that would bring nubus i/o out to a test stand, on which the card would sit

asciilifeform: ( much easier to snoop nubus cycles than to tap a bus on ancient and fragile card )

phf: macivory is an ivory on a board with all the i/o handled over a bus by a mac

phf: xl1201 is an ivory (ivory being a cpu inside the box, merlin being the architecture)

asciilifeform: asciilifeform would trade a 3620 and 2 alphas for 1 working ivory

phf: i don't have an alpha though, same reason i don't have a macivory, i don't want to have to study/rely on all these other architectures

asciilifeform: out of curiosity, why does phf keep 'ivories' around if he has alpha, and on top of that a patched/working x64 generatron?

asciilifeform: betcha all of the 'life support' would fit also. just stick a few srams and a nic on top.

asciilifeform: it'd handily fit in a, e.g., xilinx spartan6.

asciilifeform: overall i suspect this is a more productive attack than microscopy ( though the thing was fabbed at 1 uM, it would be quite visible on optical microscope )

phf: i'm not sure if it's working, it's from a "possibly broken" box, but i can lend you that one after i test it in my ivory, and if you have a viable project of some sort, i can probably get you more

phf: i suspect there's a handful of pals there?

asciilifeform: phf: i already have a logic analyzer, but would have to get it attaches to the pins on that thing

a111: Logged on 2017-03-13 00:13 asciilifeform: !~later tell phf i dug out my crate of dead bolix boards, turns out i'm a chump, the pcb in question was a dead xl1200 ~i/o~ board. the only cpu on it is what looks like a z80! 0 smbx silicon.

phf: also by signal interposer you mean attaching a logic analyzer, or an actual gadget to sit on bus and do things?

a111: Logged on 2017-03-13 16:49 asciilifeform: !~later tell phf i was thinking' of buying that 'ivory' and making a signal interposer . any idea whether the magic cpu was soldered down, or LIF socketed..?

phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-18#1628941 << he was offered an out on his later trades, because "why buy a macivory if you already bought a better macivory??", but i don't think he's going to take it ☝︎

deedbot: diana_coman rated lobbes 2 << Made a very useful bot for #eulora. He's very modest, too.

diana_coman: !!rate lobbes 2 Made a very useful bot for #eulora. He's very modest, too.

mircea_popescu: but whatever, "who could have predicted" and "nobody wants a govt job anyway so you can't fire us."

mircea_popescu: not how it works irl on any models that don't include "we need to be seen as doing something please god" as a hard constraint.

asciilifeform: i.e. 'we know about mircea_popescu's nuke, invent a magical bunker for us to hide in'

mircea_popescu: eh, "nearly 20 exchanges", wut. "exchange" idiots have managed to trade the 2012 situation, where they had gone from 0 to almost 50% of bitcoin trading for a slow and agonizing death. i'd be surprised if all of them (which within 90% is the first two) actually cover 10% of bitcoin for fiat trade.

asciilifeform: speaking of schisms in heathendom, https://archive.is/WplLL >> 'A group of nearly 20 exchanges has released contingency plans in the event that the bitcoin network splits in two, creating two competing currencies. The exchanges are now planning to list Bitcoin Unlimited (BU) as they would an alternative cryptocurrency...'

mircea_popescu: anywya, the reason i linked it is because obviously the ~whole space readily reduces to "what a number of people understood and remembered of what they at some point read on #trilema"

mircea_popescu: l0 is verified by the bitcoin network as part of its functioning. l1 can be verified by anyone with a full blockchain.

a111: Logged on 2017-03-18 05:56 ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-15#1627436 << i saw a few 2's scroll by while writing the index to disk, i'm going to spend some time staring at it myself and then share it around

a111: Logged on 2017-03-18 11:03 Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-10#1624858 << re rdtsc etc, i'm curious, does `grep -E '^model name|^cpu MHz' /proc/cpuinfo` consistently report to you mhz which are (+/-1 a mhz or so) equal to model frequency? (i know you can turn off linux powersaving etc features)

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-18#1628916 << my opterons don't have a throttled clock, physically ☝︎

mircea_popescu: add to this that there's a long list of such must-know (o hey, bought new house in so and so zone ? does it have a basement ? here's your geiger counter. what do you mean you don't understand ? atten-hut! nobody asked you what you understand, and it'll be 49.95

mircea_popescu: but what this means, obviously, taking the converse... is that there's a lot there than meets the eye. which is the point.

mircea_popescu: which is WHY the "dun fuck your sister" thing is such a huge taboo : a) it will kill you and b) you won't notice. that's the problem with these boiled frogs scenarios, from carbon monoxide poisoning to sibling conception to etc : you got no warning bells connected to THIS failure mode.

mircea_popescu: the problem, however, is that under the skin-deep "kid is fine", his passive genetics have seriously weakened. if he lives as part of a larger population that does this, a few generations down the road genetic decay manifests and there's literally no hope -- the population will either move to exogamy or die out. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-17#1628783 << to briefly revisit : contrary to what general public might expect (tm), if brother and sister conceive together the result is going to be a perfectly fine baby by any standards. yes it's possible they spawn a monster, but not likely, and moreover this is possible anyway. (for instance : rh negative women (but not positive) impregnated by rh positive man can and often do develop aut ☝︎

Framedragger: (okay apparently if your cpu supports 'constant_tsc' (as seen in cpuinfo) then this timestamp counter actually counts time and not processor ticks which is a *good thing* given freq scaling etc.; this is available in all new intel processors; what a rabbit hole, man)

a111: Logged on 2017-03-10 23:41 asciilifeform: if it dun run at a constant rate: a) adjust your bios b) if fails, Throw it out!!

Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-10#1624858 << re rdtsc etc, i'm curious, does `grep -E '^model name|^cpu MHz' /proc/cpuinfo` consistently report to you mhz which are (+/-1 a mhz or so) equal to model frequency? (i know you can turn off linux powersaving etc features) ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2017-03-15 16:27 Framedragger: did you already have a chance to check if there are any tx collisions in the 32 bit address scheme? just curious

ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-15#1627436 << i saw a few 2's scroll by while writing the index to disk, i'm going to spend some time staring at it myself and then share it around ☝︎☟︎

Framedragger: mircea_popescu: many thanks (added a trivial answer just to properly ack). ok time to sleep before blabbering again, mein gott

a111: Logged on 2017-03-17 22:59 BingoBoingo still not sure "racoon" story wasn't just a "das racis" joke

BingoBoingo still not sure "racoon" story wasn't just a "das racis" joke ☟︎

pete_dushenski: in animals as in men, "March 16 (UPI) -- A Moscow petting zoo is suing the advertising company that rented a raccoon, saying it was used in an "erotic" shoot with a nude model and now the raccoon is obsessed with women's breasts."

trinque: tends to be a lot less abstract

a111: Logged on 2017-03-17 13:13 asciilifeform: btw pete_dushenski, 'Even with the pill, that forsaken shaman of working woman bondage, the effectiveness is only ~90%.' << this is a lulzy stat, because it lumps in not only user error but outright sabotage

pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-17#1628632 << this is a good point actually. falling ~intentionally~ is exceedingly valuable. please to forgive my lack of qualifier in the article. I learned to ski when i was 3 and certainly can't remember those early learning days! ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-03-17 06:06 trinque: well yeah, but a) they're fucking uncomfortable and b) see A.

pete_dushenski: well that was a healthy bit of condom/helmet debate wasn't it. and yet not a single comment on the article! for shame.

mircea_popescu: notrly as a practical item, no

asciilifeform: i thought that was a while ago ?

mircea_popescu: large items are hard for the brain to grasp, but it makes a fucking difference if it's pea sized or black hole sized. not SIMPLY because "oh, can't lift it", but because the universe does not scale liniarily.

mircea_popescu: (in a previous life mp did extensive racetrack research.)

mircea_popescu: there's numerous examples of this, mares who produced n foals of which the only ones worth a shit they had with $nobody. and all the champs sired junk out of her.

mircea_popescu: and there's also complicated and poorly understood problems of fit. it CAN be the case that A+B have horrible children together notwithstanding A and B would be excellent mates for others. this shows up in, eg, horse husbandry all the time -- foal of mare fallen to $random often outperforms foal of same mare with champions.

mircea_popescu: it's true he has much bigger chances of having a sub-marginal AVERAGE. but if you're discussing exceptional, you're not sensibly better than him at siring the next genius.

mircea_popescu: trinque re reproduction : i understand what you're saying, but it's a broken view of human congenital effects. you're thinking "hey, genes are A-Z, types A1 to A9 and so following, sorted by quality. therefore, if guy with A1B2C1...Z2 etc is not fucking, all those yummy low digit genes will not be pumped into wombs, instead kids will be A9B8 etc".

trinque: as for the pills, I've seen more than a handful of girls get very boring on them, some with symptoms like constipation even.

mircea_popescu: the sad thing about war is that it's so sensitive to inflation. ancient civilisations in the middle east got wiped when some dorks with young monkey printing press showed up. the whole german world collapsed under the onslaught of a short corsican "emperor" who was paying his armies in promises rather than gold. etc.

a111: Logged on 2017-03-17 12:46 mircea_popescu: as it happens i am not about to trade my insanely selected (not just http://trilema.com/2017/the-story-of-the-scared-slut/ should plainly indicate that scarcely a girl in a million makes it past my gates) toys for ... what the fuck for, $random-kid ? That's not for my sluts to do, that's for the 0 value redditards. for them, it's actually +ev. my girls have immensely more important shit to do, such as... everything else. the

asciilifeform: i had a uni prof who was fond of keeping such a balloon on hand, and set it off during lecture when he suspected folx of dozing off

asciilifeform: Framedragger: i did this as a boy

a111: Logged on 2017-03-10 14:50 Framedragger: i like my rc airplanes. "the will of history necessitates you to X" has a marx'ified hegelian vibe :p

Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-10#1624181 << funnily enough, currently doing some amateur electrolysis to slowly extract hydrogen, put it into balloon, and (later) attach a simple radio and propeller for cheap ass dirigible. it's Fun ☝︎

mircea_popescu: civilian cunt likely doesn't have the fine muscle control, but there's a very thin sphyncter at vaginal entry. though in most girls it's traumatized by bad defloration.

mircea_popescu: actually with a little training she can remove your condom, yes.

asciilifeform: it is not directly analogous, no. merely reminiscent. chick doesn't have a spindle glove can catch on and wind you around, crushing like insect ( at least mine doesn't, i can't speak for others ... )

mircea_popescu: not so sure this is a valid comparison, though. the machinist interacts with the machine with his hands. you're fucking her alright, but you don't interact with her with your penis in the same sense. not by a damned sight.

asciilifeform: ( there is a very famous photo illustrating why not, i will leave it as exercise for reader, to find it )

mircea_popescu: so they don't know what a cum rag is, or a wet spot ?

a111: Logged on 2014-04-24 00:33 asciilifeform: me grandpa (physicist) first encountered a bidet in vienna

asciilifeform: well yeah, if they displayed it, someone might wonder what it is... and there'll be same wankscandal as when a hotel in nyc installed them

asciilifeform: you can't, notably, buy a bidet in american household crud stores

mircea_popescu: so she takes on average 20 showers a week, this woman ?

asciilifeform: most houses have a shower, even in monkeystan

mircea_popescu: wtf do you do, she douches after ? every time ? you eat it out of her ? does she dribble cum all over the bed as you watch the second half of the movie, so in a coupla weeks your sheet's rigid ?

asciilifeform: btw pete_dushenski, 'Even with the pill, that forsaken shaman of working woman bondage, the effectiveness is only ~90%.' << this is a lulzy stat, because it lumps in not only user error but outright sabotage ☟︎

mircea_popescu: not on normal. gotta be a little angled.

a111: Logged on 2017-03-17 12:46 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-17#1628626 << i don't see this at all. if you fuck a woman "normally" and she's not on the pill, you will obtain 8 kids in 10 years. you will also obtain an extremely shriveled woman, because like it or not females are essentially the cotyledon of children. biology is merciless and the ultimate empire, it dun care one whit your girl is smart and pleasant and worships you, it just cares to push o

a111: Logged on 2017-03-17 07:21 davout: in other TRB news, my node is happily bitcoining, doesn't seem too bothered by working with a regular HDD, and that's without asciilifeform's cache patch

a111: Logged on 2017-03-17 06:08 trinque: regarding the pill, I wouldn't be surprised at all if it's had a profound impact on female behavior.

mircea_popescu: nah. sultans who were porphyrogenited so to speak don't. gengis khan, who is basically a sort of dewey cox, does.

asciilifeform: i thought 500 was moar of a sultan thing

mircea_popescu: more of a country bumpkin sorta thing.

mircea_popescu: yeah. that's more of a ... seen Walk Hard ?

mircea_popescu: trump has a half dozen or something neh ?

a111: Logged on 2017-03-17 06:10 trinque: I think rather that it's a mark of a ~severely impoverished~ society that pregnancy is this harrowing pitfall

mircea_popescu: (i dunno if english has it, but the girl with the golden cunt is a sort of folk item in romanian. usually in "wtf has she got, is her cunt golden ?!" inquiries of exasperated exes.)

mircea_popescu: ~only sane way to look at sexuate reproduction in humans is as an equivalent of taking the minimum wage. it's a thing to do there, like flipping burgers, a safety net so you're never in this position where you have absolutely nothing you could do.

mircea_popescu: as it happens i am not about to trade my insanely selected (not just http://trilema.com/2017/the-story-of-the-scared-slut/ should plainly indicate that scarcely a girl in a million makes it past my gates) toys for ... what the fuck for, $random-kid ? That's not for my sluts to do, that's for the 0 value redditards. for them, it's actually +ev. my girls have immensely more important shit to do, such as... everything else. the ☟︎

a111: Logged on 2017-03-17 06:10 trinque: I think rather that it's a mark of a ~severely impoverished~ society that pregnancy is this harrowing pitfall

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-17#1628626 << i don't see this at all. if you fuck a woman "normally" and she's not on the pill, you will obtain 8 kids in 10 years. you will also obtain an extremely shriveled woman, because like it or not females are essentially the cotyledon of children. biology is merciless and the ultimate empire, it dun care one whit your girl is smart and pleasant and worships you, it just cares to push o ☝︎☟︎

davout: if anyone wants a wire in eihter direction lemme know

davout: in other TRB news, my node is happily bitcoining, doesn't seem too bothered by working with a regular HDD, and that's without asciilifeform's cache patch ☟︎