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asciilifeform: Framedragger: yes, it is weak! but no, i don't have a five-second fix
Framedragger: i'm running wget *by hand*. wtf. you expose a href on the site. i try to get it. it fails. ?
Framedragger: after it gets a 504, it tries again. sequential.
Framedragger: i'm trying to request a copy of sadmods.
trinque: phf: you can avoid the point as you choose. "there is a better land and we'll be there someday; don't eat til we get there, best food on earth, they have." has sunk many companies, and many people
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-10#1641384 << not to rain on your parade but -- without any currently active crawl process, i've tried to wget /sadmods by hand just now, just to have a single copy to serve on the cached site. so far two 504 in a row ☝︎
asciilifeform: trinque ^ this is both true and imho a serious problem ☟︎
trinque: for that matter, your common lisp can't even dump a textual representation of its entire state which can be loaded elsewhere disregarding arch
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/how-to-take-control-of-your-provider-a-guide-for-whores/ << Trilema - How to take control of your provider, a guide for whores.
trinque: phf: knowing how to use it is trivia, but tell me, where can I put a dataset now, which I do under no circumstances want to lose, which must be served concurrently to a wide number of clients, which, and so on
trinque: so then your site is going to be down in teh meantime because of a combo of prior technical decisions and present political ones
trinque: can either bitch like a woman or fix the pain now and also move off later ☟︎
phf: ascii actually can criticize postgresql from the position of understanding. knowing intricacies of psql is not knowledge (rtrees, caching, etc.), it's trivia ("you have to turn lever 3 and depress button Y"). ascii knows what he needs to express, but he can't express it directly, because he's running against architectural constraints of his tool. from that perspective a general "databases are shit" is an entirely valid perspective. ☟︎
trinque: nobody's forcing him to use it; now that he has one, I've made a few suggestions to lessen the pain
phf: tmsr work is primarily defined by its voluntary nature, if i had to do things same way i do it at the office i wouldn't bother. ascii doesn't know intricacies of psql from his day job, and i think it's cruel and inhuman to make him study psql ~as part of tmsr work~. it's not the kind of know how you get to learn by sitting down with a cup of tea and a large printout.. ☟︎
trinque: live in a garbage can with g_l
phf: trinque is the resident psql guru, he managed to wire his 50 request lisp process to a postgresql database ☟︎
asciilifeform: trinque: 'there is a right-also, and asciilifeform is a moron' is not a political statement ?
phf: they laughed at me when i said btcbase doesn't use a database, who's laughin now ☟︎
BingoBoingo: A micro-lol https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2017/04/10/lack-irs-data-tool-may-harm-fafsa-application-rates-and-already-hurting-students
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Trilema is "common" application of single box. Many people thusly blog. Phuctor is great because it is a big ball of weird RDBMS-BDSM
asciilifeform: loads per se can't hose it, in theory; there is a cache
phf: i take it phuctor is more like btcbase. a couple of thousand requests a day, with an occasional massive bot spike
asciilifeform: Framedragger: they're zombies in the sense that there were a thousand+ of the liquishit processes whereas there never has any business being > 1 or 2.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: does the new-factor/key-adder write to db under a different db user than the db reader which reads data for the web backend?
Framedragger: (there's a `pg_terminate_backend(process_id)` which can be fed rows from `pg_stat_activity`, just fyi)
asciilifeform: there's a megatonne of zombie postgres liquishit hanging.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: 'In sessions connected via a Unix-domain socket, this parameter is ignored and always reads as zero.'
Framedragger: huh, queries should be cancelled upon a failed http request.. if backend connects to db over tcp socket perhaps check https://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/static/runtime-config-connection.html#GUC-TCP-KEEPALIVES-IDLE
Framedragger: asciilifeform: just fyi i attempted a single wget (single http request) of sadmods, got 500, phuctor main page now 500's :/
ben_vulpes: wait hang on i have a different critique
ben_vulpes: christ what even is the point of a unary predicate in a language without closures
BingoBoingo: That looks like a zucchini
BingoBoingo: * shinohai has only planted radishes and cucumbers, has shitty soil in new locale. << Protip: till a plot and sow densly with turnips/radishes. Do not harvest and burn down with glyphosate before first frost. Till vastly improved soil next year.
mircea_popescu is more than willing to share his dollar-a-lb bounty with l1 all-comers. i also made myself fruit salad out of [actually ripe] mango, [actually ripe] pineapple, [actually ripe] banmanas, drenched in fresh oj etc. ☟︎
shinohai: I have no nearby monasteries unfortunately .... there is a farm in this little place called Ellijay nearby that makes decent goat cheese.
phf: there's a benedictine monastery in bangalore where make italian style cheese. considering how bad cheese is otherwise in the country, i'm contemplating making a pilgrimage to bangalore just to see how they do, next time i'm there
mircea_popescu: anyway, today watched sunset by the pool, with dog and woman. dog is a friendly pitbull, woman has nice tits. there could be worse fates.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-10 01:05 mircea_popescu: but as a side point : i went to town yest, bought jug of milk. guy kept trying to warn me it's not milk! i bought it anyway. it is FABULOUS buttermilk. best i ever had. also got a strong sheep cheese and a mellower one. i am happy like i've not been in a long time - finally, food! like god at home made it!
shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-10#1641243 <<< Hope it was much better cheese than the floating in ice, triple-wrapped variety from a few days previous. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: in fairness, i also wasn't nearly as much of a lord a decade ago.
mircea_popescu: UNTIL I HAD THE FUCKING SENSE TO GO ON A HILL.
mircea_popescu: but as a side point : i went to town yest, bought jug of milk. guy kept trying to warn me it's not milk! i bought it anyway. it is FABULOUS buttermilk. best i ever had. also got a strong sheep cheese and a mellower one. i am happy like i've not been in a long time - finally, food! like god at home made it! ☟︎
phf: chukcha brings his novel to a su publishing dept. the editor reads it and goes "you know, you ought to read some classics, pushkin, turgenev, etc." chukcha goes "naw, chukcha is a writer, not a reader"
mircea_popescu: anyway, imo the principal point of the discussion is that knowledge, any knowledge, enacts a partition upon the world. this is the only difference - chucka and man are distinguished not by skin color, not by anything else but the overpowering fact that chuka doesn't know what to do with the rtg ; or with pushkin ; or with etcetera.
mircea_popescu: but yes i'm aware not being stupid results in a deary lack of monkey island special olympics participation trophies.
asciilifeform: as a 'neato but sorry, -ev' item.
mircea_popescu: "i think the whole charade is a sickening display, personally."
mircea_popescu: well, on top of a world ontologically constituted as "12 men on monkey island" attempting to construct alternate world hallucinatorily constituted as "men and money teams compete for island special olympics". ☟︎
mircea_popescu: at the time they did this, the world split. there were the people who built the "something quite like a proper comp", on one side. there were the people who did not so build, on the other side. you see this ?
asciilifeform: (they eventually resorted to 'credit card' and ended up simply making a titanic black hole for entire ~industry~ to fall into, when it finally imploded)
asciilifeform: they built something quite like a proper comp.
mircea_popescu: im not capable nor interested in specifying. fact remains - a dozen dudes either did something ro didn't do something. if they did something we can discuss the history of the thing they did and what it says about them ; otherwise, we can not.
asciilifeform: which is in a way a parable re engineers going to the bottom of the sea
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is quite impossible to 'unconsider inconvenient problem' in a thread about bolix
mircea_popescu: it\s a sort of elective jewry.
mircea_popescu: phf im starting to understand the problem though. here it is : engineer will not consider inconvenient problems. NO MATTER WHAT. that is why he's an engineer : because paradigm made him a personal promise.
asciilifeform: phf: a bolix-style machine that -- hypothetically - could have cost-competed with the 'i can't believe it's not butter' state of the art, would imho count as 'resolve'
asciilifeform: they took a serious technological risk - and lost, like dirigible; rather than won, like steamboat.
asciilifeform: this dichotomy is a hallucination of mircea_popescu's , and i ain't buying.
asciilifeform: early steamboats were expensive deathtraps (boiler explosions were still a quite familiar thing in mark twain's time, even)
asciilifeform: the analogy is not a whim of asciilifeform's, it is quite exact -- what bolix et al did, was a 'stretch' of the tech of the time, quite near its breaking point
mircea_popescu: you'll have to pick a door (for the needs of this conversation only)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform indulge me for a moment here. so, would you agree that a specific and specified problem (make a computer!) was actually resolved by a number of people ?
phf: asciilifeform: true king is a later invention, actual process is "choose king amongst yourself", and failure to do so is stupidity ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: there is such a thing as an actual dispute.
mircea_popescu: the time for "debates" is when you're installed in power and are preparing to withdraw the power from the plebs. you create a trappings-of-power artefact through the magical working of dialectics, heap it upon them in exchange for the actual thing and move on. that's when you do "disputes".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in the circumstance ? this isn't a given iyo ?
asciilifeform: if 'act rationally' somehow means 'pick a fuhrer! use haruspex if you gotta!' then none of them 'acted rationally', no.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, leaving this hot coal for a while also, consider THE FUCKING INDIGNITY. you're telling me the dozen was split up by a convenient application of... a socialist marote ? same thing sunk lisp as the international ?!
mircea_popescu: this equality doesn't hold. it's not a matter "we don't know". we know what the environment constraints are, and we do not care what their internal processing is. if they fail to act rationally they did it randomly.
mircea_popescu: they did a very strict anti-a and anti-b. why
mircea_popescu: phf this part is fine. now, why did they fail to a) band togetgher and b) control, deliberately, the product. ☟︎
phf: pre-symbolics the "theorems" were "how do i computer" in general. those guys weren't playing around with custom fpga in their garage that they failed to sell. they were basically figuring out how to build a von neumann machine that can do things, which they did
asciilifeform: pretty sure that by the time there was a symbolics -- the handmaking was outsourced.
mircea_popescu: 1. a dozen mentally retarded girls were afraid of their own cunts ; 2. so much so as to need to be 50 before they'd finally deflower ; 3. except they did it in such a manner as to replace the insulatory function of that with various other ersatz-hymens created out of material collected in the environment ; 4 but because they were mentally retarded no possiblity of meaningful communication was open to them and so 5. therefore
asciilifeform: yes, some folx are friends with chumpatronicist, or bank robber (stalin et al), who will give them a little dough out of whatever private reason of his own.
mircea_popescu: how did the investment come considewring there wasn't anythning there besides "we'll try to win on execution without a clue or a GED, against people with money and significant entrenchment" ?
mircea_popescu: i dun know why you think this is how things work, but allow me to reference a relevant bit of history : http://trilema.com/2012/hai-c-am-mai-gasit-una/
asciilifeform: the lispm was a quite audacious and expensive project, and very difficult to justify commercially without at least a set of functioning machines and well-developed soft
mircea_popescu: but anyway, leaving this hot coal for a moment -- why the everloving fuck did it take them so long to lose virginity! yes, EVENTUALLY moon "finally we take this tech private". but how fucking unobvious can it be that mit is exactly the equivalent of hymen, there to insulate girl from control of her own cunt ?
mircea_popescu: amusingly, apparently everyone there knew this, too. "he's no captain, he's just a dude with a small penis who figures the world owns him reparations for it, so captaining will work by itself"
asciilifeform: not that noftsker, afaik, was a quimby. but lmi's greenblatt, it seems, was an 'anti-quimby'
mircea_popescu: so your proposition is that engineers are cursed by the gods in that they can't follow each other, gotta follow a different kinda guy and if they don't get lucky to find one will just symbolics all over the place ?
mircea_popescu: but anyway, thinking about it, it'd seem to me the only possible explanation of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-09#1641002 is that the golden dozen lacked ~any conception whatsoever~ of the enmity of mit. like dodo birds, went happily to the necessary eventual slaugther because failed ot perceive usg must be destroyed not ignored. in a field arbitrarily (and perhaps not exactly accidentally) limited in this manner, they cultiv ☝︎
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Another solution may be to inquire at power equipment rental outfit and find setup from one of the orange brands (echo, stihl) to use for a day or two until branches restored to sanity.
BingoBoingo: Chainsaws usually come with scwrench for a reason
mircea_popescu: anyway, to take the thing back to rms and friends : socialism is not a political choice, it's a psychological defense. it expresses itself in fundamentally defective individuals. tis what it is.
mircea_popescu: (ie, little jane stuck too early with too much male attention she doesn't know how to handle (in no small part because her mom's a retarded jen and had not the sense ot have sisters etc) will grow defensive. but it's to my eyes rather a different strand. quite evidently so : she's immodest in private.)
mircea_popescu: because if i make them strip, jane's DD look better than jen's A-
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu never met a 'modest'+tits ?
mircea_popescu: all kids appear healthy, but the brains of a precious few are deffective, and as aging exposes them to the challenge of correct diversification, it turns out they ~were all along~ schizophrenic.
asciilifeform: i don't buy this 'was always a trotskyist, from baby' thing. not everyone is born in his particular mental dead end.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> "celebrating "Palm Sunday", a feast marking their holy tradesman's triumphant return to Jerusalem days before the holy tradesman was martyred by combined Italian and Jewish police violence." << epic. << Updated, forgot to insert relevant link to earlier qntra <mircea_popescu> "celebrating "Palm Sunday", a feast marking their holy tradesman's triumphant return to Jerusalem days before the holy tradesman was martyred by co
mircea_popescu: i also do not think one can become a socialist. they're all born this way. it's braindamage, basically.
mircea_popescu: she's still a woman even at a time prior to having foaled.
mircea_popescu: the notion that there can be an apolitical something is like the notion that there can be a transparent non menstruating woman etc.
phf: hmm, i always thought his question was a lot more naively childish "why'd did all my friends i had fun with left to do these weird `grownup` things"
mircea_popescu: why such rotten bullshit would get a flat no in return is directly obvious.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> (strangely, even though ti was a megacorp already at the time, their offering was the least memorable) << No mystery. They were likely operating from an internal assumption of leadership and thus snore.