asciilifeform: ( orig lm had no concept whatsoever of seekoority, or even multiple users, i'm almost surprised mircea_popescu was not quick to remind of this )
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the classical cd shipped with sources, but not for some of the more interesting items (e.g. 'ns' chip and pcb layout cad; systemolade of various sorts (e.g. fep) etc )
asciilifeform: i'ma see if they match mine some time later when i can be arsed.
asciilifeform: otherwise any derp can 'hey mail me this machine'
asciilifeform: and needless to say none of these happen unless valid pgpgram
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: very, very basic 'support' can't really be gone without -- 'pull disk #5 and put this-here that i mailed you in', 'tell this new box its ip', 'yank the box and mail to me, i'm going home' etc.
asciilifeform: i have currently 3 boxen for pilot plant. all 3 contain 32cores of 'opteron 6376'. 2 of them contain 256M of ram; 1 currently has 24G ( can hold up to 256 ). each has 2 x G/sec nics, 2 x (reduntant) 700W ps .☟︎
asciilifeform digs in log. could've sworn i posted the specs
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: me ? i have the 3 pilot boxen as prev. catalogued. or you meant him
asciilifeform: tho fr is nearly as 'good' as usa afaik
asciilifeform: 'National Give Us Everything Or Heavenly Legions Shall Smite You Act' next.
asciilifeform: 'if you’re worried you possess stolen coins and want to sell them, you may want to consult a lawyer first. The National Stolen Property Act could apply to intangible goods' << lol!!
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: mind-boggling, neh , 'i'm gonna idle for some entirely randomly selected several hours' 'why not read multi-year log' 'what's a log'
asciilifeform: ang-st: how about link to the 'random conversation' ?
asciilifeform: ( 1940s-era propeller fighters also would. but these cost moar money, and you gotta train somebody to fly, etc )
asciilifeform: worx great against defenseless camels.
asciilifeform: actually very closely resembles nazi army . yes, somewhere there is dr von braun with wunderwaffen. but mostly it's d00dz with old rifles.
asciilifeform: the fancy hardware that exists, is largely circa 1980s.
asciilifeform: as it is it barely can afford trucks that dun leak oil, much less any quantity of 'bigdog'☟︎
asciilifeform: this'd be so if the army in the colour brochures were the actual usg army
asciilifeform: modern general sits, wizened lbj, in bunker.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: in any case it hasn't applied to generals ever since they stopped being expected to lead men on horseback into attack☟︎
asciilifeform: there was even some interest in usa, 'learn the game that built the strategy of the enemy!11' lulz
asciilifeform digs, but fails to find link , re incident where jp attaches taught go to the german general staff, and they actually played, until the house with the boards was destroyed in bombing raid
asciilifeform: ( and in many of these 'great leaders' , head was not the strongest organ to begin with )
asciilifeform: ( in the 'detonate' case, it isn't clear what enemy gets from reversing your die if you used correctly-built publickeytronics )
asciilifeform: senile old brezhnevs insisting on using plain vs crypto pnoje , yes. tho i was thinking of crypto in weapons systems and other unattended 'get magic packet, detonate' items.
asciilifeform: ( if your cryptotron ~branches~ -- potentially very interesting things happen )
asciilifeform: hence the recent interest in 'what happens to crypto when single-event fault' etc
asciilifeform: asciilifeform discovered this when digging in recent ada lit
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-09#1735222 << returning briefly upstack, there's a 'seekrit' bit of hilarity : usg actually moving away from old, classic 'z80-style' dies, and into 'let's have modern density, so we can run javaturds, let ibm make 'space-grade' ppc , etc -- but that's ok, we'll use 8 in tandem '☝︎
asciilifeform: dun need balls to bomb ~defenseless orcs
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i thought it 'lost' because noballs ( rather than rockets-not-rockety-enuff )
asciilifeform: ( in almost every case i can think of, 'design from 0' is cheaper than 'logical reverse'. so the latter is ~only done when you are specifically looking for weaknesses or otherwise items present only in the original , vs the spec )
asciilifeform: usually what is wanted is -- cheap local clone.
asciilifeform: i'd expect. the trick is that almost no one has ever any reason.
asciilifeform: in the 'logical' sense , original z80 was only ~recently~ publicly reversed
asciilifeform: also gotta distinguish b/w the 2 types of reversing ( did we have thread ? ) -- sov-style clone is CONSIDERABLY easier than proper logical reverse
asciilifeform: ( rather than 'performance' or whatever nonsense )
asciilifeform: half the reason for the ultra-dense vlsi thing , i suspect, is to make reversing a headache
asciilifeform: at least in 1980s they were. nfi re nao.
asciilifeform: idk that usg any longer even uses items not of chinese make to begin with
asciilifeform: if yer thing is multilayered you'd ideally have the microscopy done in same house.
asciilifeform: mailing it back an' forth per layer, would be annoying
asciilifeform: my item has 1 metal layer, so i didn't ask. but i'd expect moar layers, cost extra.
