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mircea_popescu: i propose a new highschool charter. it teaches kids nothing, but smacks them every time they use "going to"
mircea_popescu: EcoChav: these girls are going to be using SWARM to raise funds: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWTXht6doPM <<
decimation: one would need iron balls to do it I guess
asciilifeform: nothing to stop the zek from walking into the permafrost, either
thestringpuller: there is a lot to stop you walking from mexico back into the states tho...
decimation: yeah I suspect walking to mexico is easier than the reverse
mircea_popescu: and lions and tigers - oh my!
mircea_popescu: oh, but... THE BEARS
mircea_popescu: nothing to stop one from walking to mexico right now
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform people's own dumb heads do the guarding.
asciilifeform: the snow, bears, starvation - do the guarding.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: you probably heard that many 'gulag' facilities were not guarded at all. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: but i follow the link. huge title "Bitcoin will be partially or totally controlled". ie, by some govt.
assbot: Big numbers, random numbers and who’s got your number ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/big-numbers-random-numbers-and-whos-got-your-number/#comment-103357 << kid found a romanian btc atm, wants to know why some derp did it and not i. well.. i'm lazy.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: couldn't one in america escape through...non traditional means?
decimation: you can own, you just have to confess to usg you have them
assbot: Galt's Gulch Chile - To your freedoms
decimation: http://galtsgulchchile.com/ << like these guys
asciilifeform: as this enables escape
asciilifeform: note that the analogy is not exact. the american equivalent of a soviet job with travel privileges would be, say, the right to own significant foreign (or theoretically liquid enough to become foreign) assets
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller well tbh, i dun see why i'd have wanted to leave huxley's world. just hang out with the boss guy down at the bar.
thestringpuller: it also seems being an orphan is more beneficial in that regard too...
thestringpuller: sounds like huxley's world would make that a moot issue (humans bred in tanks)
asciilifeform: as diplomat, your 'wife' might actually be someone whose only job is to shoot you in the head if you start to 'turn.'
asciilifeform: they'd get theatrical ones
asciilifeform: incidentally, pretty much none of the above were sent abroad with actual wives, children
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller then eiher it's not a family, you're being forced to or you will be forced to.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: then you don't get posted abroad.
decimation: yes, their fate is to stand and take whatever comes I suppose
thestringpuller: what if you don't want to make babies?
asciilifeform: this is why a man with a profession that puts him in range of escape was required to have family.
mircea_popescu: their job is to work the soil and make babies.
mircea_popescu: <decimation> I guess it's hard to escape with family intact << people with families have no business escaping.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> we can surmise that he refused one or more, but they aren't done yet << something like that.
asciilifeform: if you 'see reason' - you're a free man. get to keep doing what you were doing. except with a little microphone listening, or the like.
thestringpuller: decimation: that's very depressing :(
asciilifeform: back to the treatment of nothaus - this was SOP for dissident types, at least post-stalin. you land, not in a jail cell, but a comfortable 'hotel room', where no one hangs you upside down, no! - but well-dressed, educated fellows have little chats with you over good coffee - to make you 'see reason.'
decimation: I guess it's hard to escape with family intact
asciilifeform: (a trip requires a destination)
asciilifeform: many of the same issues facing folks who want to leave usa.
decimation: seems like that would be the thing to do
decimation: why didn't folks attempt to leave the "big jail" during ussr times?
decimation: an enterprising defense team would have him start another altcoin for the purpose of turning against it
decimation: well I tend to agree with your point about recruitment, but it's not clear to me what he is going to be recruited to do exactly.
asciilifeform: if nothaus is cut loose, we should expect him to turn up eventually in the role of a karpeles or brock pierce.
asciilifeform: we can surmise that he refused one or more, but they aren't done yet
asciilifeform: (aka turning stoolie)
asciilifeform: in cases like his, it is traditional for the inquisitor to make a series of offers to lighten punishment substantially in exchange for agent recruitment
decimation: "we are coming up to march 2014, so I've been waiting 3 years to be sentenced, this is most unusual. Usually in a federal case you are incarcerated within 60 days after being found guilty."
asciilifeform: (soviet term, in contrast to the 'little jail' - a jail in the usual sense; the big one - ussr.)
asciilifeform: so there we go. he's in 'большая зона' (the big jail.) ☟︎☟︎
decimation: well according to this interview in miami on 1 feb 2014
asciilifeform: walking the globe without a gps collar ?
decimation: for instance they haven't managed to jail this von nothaus guy yet
mircea_popescu: exactly the same problems that limit the mob limit the government, and can be used identically.
mircea_popescu: this isn't nearly as cut and dried a matter as the usg likes to pretend (forced mistake, it has no alternative than to so pretend).
mircea_popescu: perhaps you need your computers, perhaps you need access to a certain server, who's to know.
jurov: hm.. i guess when patent trolls come for cardano, there are better ways than seppuku
mircea_popescu: and if you are able to talk, who's going to be able to control what you say, and to whom ?
mircea_popescu: well now... here's the thing... you can't be talking while you're not able to talk, right ?
asciilifeform: my understanding is, the most one can hope for, if you aren't chtulhu, assanger, mircea_popescu - when the wagen comes, is to die with honour, without implicating other partizans
mircea_popescu: sort of thing.
mircea_popescu: if the kingdom actually worked like teh king's ministers propose it does, i wouldn't be looking into the yard of the king's minister's wife at the car of the guy the minister doesn't know she fucks
mircea_popescu: this has some trouble getting past things such as you know, that wikileaks guy.
thestringpuller: lol it is that easy
mircea_popescu: i mean obviously, the king's ministers, no matter how cornered, will attempt to put forth the theory of how dominant their kingdom actually is.
mircea_popescu: if only it were that easy.
asciilifeform: or, to quite relevant film, 'what good is a phone call mr. andersen, if you have no mouth...'
decimation: he has magic hacking powers, give him the a. ames treatment!
asciilifeform: he was, famously, denied the traditional 'last phone call'
asciilifeform: when (imho undeservedly) famous social engineer k. mitnick was captured, the jailers actually believed he was a chtulhu
mircea_popescu: try capturing chtulhu. hey everyone! free insanity today, and all get seconds!
asciilifeform: the magic incantation in that case is adequate fire support
mircea_popescu: no, it's the "know the magic incantation that'll make them rue the day they messed with me so close"
asciilifeform: when at war, your perspective on what happens if you fall into enemy hands isn't 'know the magic incantations that will force them to let me go'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what do you perceive the difference being, between military and legal ?
mircea_popescu: "Unless you have been through this, with much of it kept secret to protect means and methods of investigation and prosecution, prepare for an exciting first time on the actual hot seat, not on TV or online where hypnotic disinfo rules and seduces the unwary to believe tickling the comsec tiger's tail is fantasic rep building." <<< heh.
asciilifeform: this is why i simply don't get people who continue to think of their relationship with the u.s. court system in legal, rather than military, terms. ☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: decimation well if it wants to be a republic, it gotta be a republic.
decimation: yeah that's scary
mircea_popescu: <decimation> ascii so the point is that the court can dodge questions of "what exactly are you charging me with?" by making a grand-jury circus? << the principle is that "the people" can charge you with w/o the shit they want.
assbot: Bernard von NotHaus Seeks Acquittal, New Trial » Titania - the Open Source Ethical Society
decimation: yeah him, did they actually sentance him
assbot: ClubOrlov: Financial Totalitarianism
decimation: speaking of which, whatever happened to that guy who was convicted of possessing silver coins?
asciilifeform: decimation: which is why, with the possible exception of folks who can cough up astoundingly large ransom, falling into the hands of u.s. 'justice' system should be thought of as equivalent to ending up in a gestapo dungeon.
asciilifeform: decimation: this is SOP in usa
decimation: ascii so the point is that the court can dodge questions of "what exactly are you charging me with?" by making a grand-jury circus?
asciilifeform: (what's that? this - http://longstreet.typepad.com/thesciencebookstore/2010/11/propaganda-and-surrender-tickets-world-war-ii-1953-1945-part-i.html)
decimation: in other words each household needs to keep its own shit in order
mircea_popescu: he may not be talking too much or too loud\ly about it because of that shithead ida, and her unwanted, unwelcome and damaging "love", but otherwise...
mircea_popescu: compare the father with the son in cat on a hot tin roof. that's it.
mircea_popescu: decimation but you see the signs of decadence much closer to home : the moment people start shying away from calling someone a cunt in the street, because o noes, we're civilised now. that's it.
asciilifeform points out that this was the situation in ussr. virtually everyone was technically reserve corps.
mircea_popescu: because the relative value of things can't really be fixed.
mircea_popescu: the point is specifically to be able to serve everywhere, so to speak,
mircea_popescu: decimation the problem is exactly there : a roman citizen is required to be part of the army, even if he could serve the republic "better" elsewhere.
decimation: but that's a pretty restrcted set
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: usually this happens to folks born 'into' money