asciilifeform: aite

asciilifeform: ( or adacore's gnat )

asciilifeform: whaack: if you really want to run the example proggy, will have to get hold of 4.9 somehow

asciilifeform: ( i.e. someone saw it fit to change its semantics, between versions, as if such a change is ever anything other than wrecking )

asciilifeform: whaack: eventually i'm doomed to write a proper sha2 , apparently, gnat's apparently is shitgnomatic.

asciilifeform: whaack: surreal.

asciilifeform: as if the 'p' evaporates, unhappens, if not mentioned

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: gotta luvv how prng now routinely 'random number generator'

asciilifeform: and paste also the full barf.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-23#1742650 << whaack plz post which gnat you have, and how it was installed ☝︎

asciilifeform: whaack: i wrote the thing back when i was mostly using adacore's gnat

asciilifeform: whaack: lemme know if this fixes.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-23#1742619 <<< >>> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-06#1666683 ☝︎☝︎

asciilifeform: ( via https://irclog.whitequark.org/lisp/2017-11-23#20617523 ) .

asciilifeform: tivation of the concern.'

asciilifeform: 'DAYDREAMER activates a top-level LOVERS goal because it is not involved in a LOVERS relationship, and one or more of its need states subsumed by the relationship are unsatisfied. A new concern is created and a positive motivating emotion of interest is created and associated with the new concern. The intrinsic importance of the goal is 0.9. This becomes the magnitude of the motivating emotion, as well as the current value for the mo

asciilifeform: !#s jackdaniel

asciilifeform: !#seen mrottenkolber

asciilifeform: !~seen mrottenkolber

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: can haz link ?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wassat

asciilifeform: backup prong aha.

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: nobody's rsa padding is worth two shits

asciilifeform: iirc 'libressl' was an attempted whitewashing of openssl turd by the usual suspects.

asciilifeform: i gotta ask, what means 'libressling'

asciilifeform: !~later tell whaack when testing 'horse', verify that the bin turd produced as file 'out' is identical to the input block. this means that the parser worx.

asciilifeform: if 'ironclad' is a worthy thing , it oughta be genesised

asciilifeform: and incidentally if phf knows this, possibly he studied it and is ready to genesis his personal copy ?

asciilifeform: so it has a working sha2 already ?

asciilifeform: hm

asciilifeform: phf: iirc the sha256 in 'ironclad' is simply a c wrapper around turdssl

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: it's pretty simple, makes use of ada's programmable stream

asciilifeform: pretty sure i get it

asciilifeform: phf: lol tolerasts

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik proper aids immunity is a vanishingly rare item, and poorly understood yet

asciilifeform: ( do fleas quorum-sense ? )

asciilifeform: i can picture how it might not be

asciilifeform: nothing like a flea luvvvs moar than a yet-flealess dog

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-23#1742487 << ahahahahahahaha ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-23#1742497 << almost forgot : b66009a9afe71b4cebe1a11b565f8848f0686b9f13748e87cc42eac6d376245048454a957550f764d8da8315245a0b0aeeea079e06fa4f6666bcf89e491ea371 (sha512) ☝︎

asciilifeform: phf possibly could correct me if this is not so

asciilifeform: whaack: if you have the time, why not write a sha256 from scratch in cl. it's a needed, unfortunately, piece. and afaik there isn't a proper one published.

asciilifeform: whaack: if yer in a hurry you can skip straight to transactions.adb .

asciilifeform: diana_coman and other ada n00bz may find the item interesting, it is a complete proggy ( in the bare bone sense )

asciilifeform: but it is in fact a complete block-eater, with the exception that it does nothing useful with scripts.

asciilifeform: whaack: posted simply so that you can see how tx hashes come to exist

asciilifeform: ( the ada per se is 27kB )

asciilifeform: tarball is heavy on account of including a test block.

asciilifeform: you will need gnat, no other dependencies.

asciilifeform: whaack: unofficial demo of adatronic block eater. takes a raw binary block on commandline, parses, prints computed hashes.

asciilifeform: whaack: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/horse.tar.gz ☟︎☟︎☟︎

asciilifeform: aha

asciilifeform: whaack: gimme a min

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: a tx does not carry own hash inside it ( how could it ), one has to compute it on the fly

asciilifeform: ( mine did not process scripts and so is currently of 0 direct use for whaack's item. but it does show how to compute tx hash )

asciilifeform: whaack: i posted an ada block eater a while back, do you have a copy ?

asciilifeform: 'spam like a pro in 21 days'

asciilifeform: moar perplexing is wtf that forum is to begin with

asciilifeform: 'If you want to make real money in crypto, you don't get attached to one coin and you don't hodl, you also don't put all your money in bitcoin either, instead you do coin hopping' << didjaknow!! ☟︎

asciilifeform: 'You can also try to solve one of the 7 millennium math problems for 1m each.' << hey there's a neglected get-rich-and-famous scheme!

asciilifeform: what am i even reading, 'looksmax.net' ?!?

asciilifeform: 'just be female theory strikes again'

asciilifeform: hey BingoBoingo wtf is a 'testosterona' ? boiled goat balls, straight from 1950s quackeries ?

asciilifeform: 'LEGIT TESTOSTERONA OF HIGH QUALITY POWEDER DOESNT LEAVE YOU NO OPTIONS' << lol!!

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-23#1742442 << much smaller than this, if you count what % they get to ~keep~. end up with '3rd world' figure. ☝︎

asciilifeform: neuroscience culture..?!

asciilifeform: mebbe helps that asciilifeform is sitting on a box with no sound card

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-23#1742400 << mm pretty tho ☝︎

asciilifeform: at some point i'ma take a stab at translation.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: prison folklore

asciilifeform: lol agricultural face

asciilifeform: ( whole site pretty decent imho. )

asciilifeform: ( incidentally, mircea_popescu , possibly pertinent cultur-artifact, http://a-pesni.org/dvor/javychelrod.php )

asciilifeform: what was the 'jennifer generation' ?

asciilifeform: if an anthill could speak, it would use word 'ourself'

asciilifeform: i propose to enact this useful new word as a proper thing

asciilifeform: 'solve bitcoin's problem by forking it ourself' etc

asciilifeform: physically painful to read.

asciilifeform: shinohai: newer, cheaper grade of pinoy, or wat

asciilifeform: asking for 'good books on crypto' is not wholly unlike to ask 'good books in astrology'

asciilifeform: you're prolly better off reviewing the fundamentals of information theory ( shannon et al )

asciilifeform: diana_coman: aside from von neumann, and the crc encyclopaedia of well-known algos, i cannot in good conscience recommend much reading. there are works devoted to specific known attacks on rsa ( song y. yang, plus a few ru items ) ; at least 1 dead tree on differential cryptoanalysis ( how items like des get trivially demolished ) whose author presently escapes me; and that's just about it

asciilifeform: and ain't sayin'.

asciilifeform: diana_coman: the writer is typically a schneier-style wretch who made 'the bargain' and very well knows about otp

asciilifeform: with lines/columns where used, and where defined.

asciilifeform: ( full usage/dep topology for every named entity in your proj )

asciilifeform: shits forth a concordance, e.g. http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/MDZMh/?raw=true .

asciilifeform: 1 ) build a gnat proj 2) gnatxref -a -aO path_where_your_ali_files_end_up yourmain.adb > xref.txt

asciilifeform: in today's gnattronics finds :

asciilifeform: to produce the brick of nonsense that follows

asciilifeform: including the otp proof would immediately invite the q, in even a half-awake reader, of why the fuck the rest of the tree had to die

asciilifeform: exactly same phenomenon imho

asciilifeform: ( and , jaw-droppingly, just about every book 'on crypto' omits the otp proof. that very same, that constitutes the alpha and the omega of what's actually proven in the subject at all )

asciilifeform: but as for the general principles which a naive n00b might hope to find in such a work -- there's nothing since old man john von n.

asciilifeform: which is why 'hitting the books' is a very limited proposition. the most that can generally be asked from the dead trees, is an accurate picture of the popular algos, plus details of the most well-known attacks on various (e.g. lenstra's, pollard's, etc )

asciilifeform: diana_coman: there is ~nothing serious printed on the subject publicly since... von neumann

asciilifeform: with few enough clients, even hourly'd be workable

asciilifeform: would depend on how populous, neh

asciilifeform: this is approx correct.

asciilifeform: ( aside from when creating his original rsa priv )