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Mocky: mircea_popescu, there's a "gulf blockchain foundation" meet up in three days I'm going to. two speaks giving talks then mingle time: "Governance: DAOs and traditional governance" and "Proof of scam: Drawing the line between the good and the bad"
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: vs how many on typical day ?
BingoBoingo: Actual Security Update: November 26th through December 3rd, there will likely be about 400 USG tending to assorted support aircraft in Carrasco for the G20 summit across the river in Buenos Aires.
mod6: Hello, young log reader. Listen to your mom, she knows what she's talking about.
asciilifeform: ha maybe it was the '16 beard patch
mircea_popescu: diana_coman you should see nicole keks. has a notebook with things to ask me "when it's a good time". ☟︎
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-02#1868800 << amusingly enough i was complaining a few days ago (to a disbelieving audience) that my white beard patch is fading out. ☝︎
diana_coman: in other lol: I guess I can claim that I got here the youngest log reader - the child reads a tid-bit of it ~every time he comes by for anything, even though he struggles on some words ("etc?"); makes for a very good example: yes, you CAN read but you still have a pile of stuff to figure out before it makes any sense
a111: Logged on 2018-11-02 13:42 diana_coman: I must say that I can't even find it funny anymore: I even received here a flyer with something ~"Oxford women in computer science: Oxford's next Bitcoin Blockchain" and I found it... inane, nothing else
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-02#1868790 << speaking of, hey Mocky what ever came of the camelridin' bitcointraders ? ☝︎
asciilifeform: ( took the printout to bed )
diana_coman will do a 2nd pass of it a bit later today
asciilifeform: and yes it took asciilifeform coupla passes for it to click.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-29 00:42 mircea_popescu: o shit there it is, navrozov moment!
mircea_popescu: it's that http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760109 but for a different sort of socialism : rooslveltist socialism, the femvariant. ☝︎
asciilifeform: diana_coman: they aint; recall that the square-bracketed items on right hand side are constants
diana_coman: asciilifeform, re proof at first pass it looks sound to me; my only current niggle with it (to be addressed at 2nd pass) is if there are any bits of the key interchangeable perhaps (though it doesn't seem likely, I can't yet tell for sure)
mircea_popescu: and if you deny it, the response comes ~as if~ you had denied everything-about-the-idiot, because, to them, you literally have. if wordmagic dun exist, if her words have exactly 0 power to anything, if she could just as well cup her palms, word in her left and piss in her right, then... then... then WHAT WAS IT ALL FOR ?!?!?
asciilifeform: hey it's how the end up 'hare'ing krishna an' such. 'words do things'
mircea_popescu: incidentally, to continue the above : the whole "no means no" wank is cheap proxy for "i am woman, and for years I have focused and prepared for words to do things, and I will not be derailed. I will not be embarrassed, and I will not be denied! So tomorrow, words will do things, come hell or high fucking water!"
asciilifeform: when i saw it, i was immediately convinced that it must've hung on an actual bordello, as cheap camouflage
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if i were a prankster i'd ring the bell to ask how his wife's doing and when did she pass.
mircea_popescu: because she specifically wants both ends of the dilemma. she WANTS to be indistinct, and she WANTS to be distinguished in spite of it.
mircea_popescu: this, the definitive femwank, indistinct-but-distinguishable. hence "romantic" (romanticism is in all times and places the shorthand name for the mainstream wank) notions of identification-past-identity, and "true love" and all that.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i once saw a vintage door sign, 'this is a cobbler shop, there are no prostitutes at this address, thank you'
mircea_popescu: who the everloving fuck reads "profiles" ? same people who exec user strings i suppose ?
mircea_popescu: IF YOU SAY WORDS THAT DOES THINGS!!!!
mircea_popescu: womenz and their insane if hilarious and apparently ubiquitous belyf in wordmagic.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile at the other lulzfarm, "LordMPofTMSR Not even kidding. SrirachaSkittles Drop whatever what is? Do you just ignore people’s profiles? LordMPofTMSR Yup."
mircea_popescu: diana_coman i just meant what he says stands ; i'm not married to the directive.
asciilifeform: the proggy can be used in fyootoor to similarly examine whatever recurrent function.
mircea_popescu: i like how these articles of yours end up in the pulp fiction tradition quentin tarantino so much loved. "the end ... (for now...)" etc.
mod6: werd. totally agree for the search for the truth.
asciilifeform: scheduler would've been a lulzy place to hide the boojum.
asciilifeform: then, went to step on erry possible nail in erry plank, lol
a111: Logged on 2018-10-29 05:07 asciilifeform: relatedly, asciilifeform tried to bake a proof that the lamehash keyinflater function of serpent is one-to-one ( i.e. actually carries 256bit of the key register's entropy into the 528 bytes of whiteolade ) and not only didnt , but realized that afaik no such proof exists for any 'troo' hash also ( incl keccak.. )
asciilifeform: at the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-29#1866995 point, strictly ☝︎
asciilifeform: q's/nitpicks re the proof, welcome
asciilifeform: it's what i originally expected to find.
asciilifeform: ( and it is prolly possible to fit the 'storm' into a yet-smaller 'teacup', even )
asciilifeform: lol hey at least nao mircea_popescu knows that i feed'em to him as i get'em, instead of sitting on'em
a111: Logged on 2018-11-02 14:27 deedbot: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2675 << Loper OS - The Serpent Ciphers Key Schedule Transform is Injective.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-01 18:09 mircea_popescu: it does ~seem~ to be weaker than my own intel indicates, but fuck that spot.
mircea_popescu: heh. so in the end... http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-01#1868494 <<->> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-02#1868792 TEACUP THUNDERSTORM!!! ☝︎☝︎
asciilifeform: and if anyone can think of a shorter one that still 'fits in head', plox to post, and i'ma link to it.
asciilifeform: lemme know if the proof makes sense, once you get to it.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i would not use phrase 'very fine' but it ~isn't~ elementarily botched, is all. there's 2^256 outs, 1 per in.
BingoBoingo: And people say math can't be any fun for the spectators
diana_coman: it is at any rate a very nice example to follow re investigating something of this sort; thank you asciilifeform !
diana_coman: o.O so it's actually fine re key schedule after all? /me goes to read
deedbot: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2675 << Loper OS - The Serpent Ciphers Key Schedule Transform is Injective. ☟︎
shinohai: What can I say, I've always enjoyed lulzing at shitcoiners, kinda miss doing it on Qntra even. Though yes, it does seem inane and repetitive at times.
diana_coman: I must say that I can't even find it funny anymore: I even received here a flyer with something ~"Oxford women in computer science: Oxford's next Bitcoin Blockchain" and I found it... inane, nothing else ☟︎
shinohai: Thank God trb is the bleach used to clean up at the end of the day.
shinohai: Well it hasn't yielded income equal to other pursuits, I just find it amusing (from bouncing about alt-irc shitcoin groups) that so many of these guys really think they are competitor to actual Bitcoin.
asciilifeform: ( there's prolly enuff of them that one could even squeeze a meager living from it ! like e.g. rat catchers in 18th c london )
asciilifeform: hey that's a godly work
shinohai: Hi diana_coman nice to see you! I'm back from summer of convalescence, not doing anything in particular yet these days.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, that's my current position, yes;
shinohai: Heya asciilifeform ... built trb w/ your aggressive_pushgetblocks.vpatch so tests/observations in progress
asciilifeform: diana_coman: unlike, e.g., haskellists, we only do things if they make sense : as you pointed out, 'bit-vectorized' keccak aint constant time, no matter what, so no particular reason to bother with the massage
shinohai: Good mornng #trilema, how goes today?
diana_coman: alternatively I suppose I could just declare own limited types and work with that but I still don't think it's worth doing at this point
diana_coman: if we aimed indeed for constant time, then sure, definitely worth the change but that's not the case
a111: Logged on 2018-10-31 17:54 asciilifeform: implicit conditionals aint evil per se , tho ; i banned them in ffa specifically as they get in the way of constanttimeism, is all
diana_coman: not at all sure it's worth all that just for preserving the no implicit conditionals restriction (which as asciilifeform pointed out already, is not evil per se http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-31#1867953 )) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-31 23:18 mircea_popescu: diana_coman http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-31#1867935 << he;'s got a solid point there.
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-31#1868075 -> there being a few more points there though since "and" requires fixed and same sizes of the two operands while now they are loosely "Integers" ; and sure, I can cast them to some fixed size type but then I make the whole package depend on Interfaces ☝︎
mircea_popescu: because gee whiz, "i am not prepared to answer this question" is strictly speaking dementia, a seven year old is expected to be ahead of that, which is why that's when they start formal schooling.
mircea_popescu: and no, they couldn't be "anything". i'm not asking fucking naively, "please supply a string for my exec()". i'm asking to see whether they're fucking demented or not.
mircea_popescu: but who and what aren't the same thing, to begin with.
Mocky: you meet someone new and don't know who they are, they could be anything
a111: Logged on 2018-11-01 17:25 mircea_popescu: this notion of "be anyone" etc is entirely fabricated, out of the venom of mother inca and the overactive brains of idle smart boys. nobody agrees with it, nothing agrees with it in practice, it never is nor ever was nor ever could be found in nature... it's like you thinking santa claus is real.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-02 03:57 mircea_popescu: (somehow the femtards never seem to figure the fucking obvious, "agreeing to be nice" can only possibly result in folger's friendship and no genuine anything to be had anywhere.... god i fucking hate 'em.)
billymg: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-02#1868759 << and yes, one of the many MANY reasons i want to be here. this very thing, constantly, at work and everywhere else, takes its toll on your sanity ☝︎
billymg: mircea_popescu: not at all, i was amused myself when i put myself in your shoes and read my messages as "how does the what go into the who now?"
mircea_popescu: (somehow the femtards never seem to figure the fucking obvious, "agreeing to be nice" can only possibly result in folger's friendship and no genuine anything to be had anywhere.... god i fucking hate 'em.) ☟︎
mircea_popescu: and isn't it great that our code of conduct prevents me from actually telling you how i feel about the matter. /sarcasm
mircea_popescu: billymg don't take it the wrong way ; nothing wrong with not knowing things. i don't know most of them either.
billymg: is this the right place to start reading to get gnat installed? http://ave1.org/2018/building-gnat-on-musl-no-more-usrincludex86_64-linux-gnu/
billymg: phf: ty and apologies for the simple questions. definitely learned a few more things about v this evening
phf: vtools_genesis is a very reduced gnu diff, which has a place for hash, but doesn't know how to produce one, until either sha or keccak is attached in later patches
billymg: mircea_popescu: happy i was able to provide a bit of light entertainment
billymg: ok, phf, i pressed again at `vdiff_keccak.vpatch`, now i have those files in my vtools directory
asciilifeform: it's slated for inclusion in cuntoo, so at some point will come standard on rk, but that day not yet come
asciilifeform: billymg: you can't 'emerge' gnat on the rk, the only known arm64 gnat is ave1's, and presently gotta be hand-emplaced
billymg: fwiw, i pressed at the keccak.vpatch level
billymg: i ran `make` after pressing and got a `vdiff` binary, used that one
phf: billymg: at the top of your vtools directory, is there a file called "Makefile" and is there are file called "vdiff.gpr"?
phf: i suspect you only have the first patch applied, which comes with a makefile, and which will indeed produce a vdiff that doesn't know how to hash
billymg: i'll emerge and try again
billymg: ahh, that would be it then. i don't seem to have ada, etc. installed
billymg: i'm very new to all of this, how do i check the version of gnat?
a111: Logged on 2018-11-02 01:37 billymg: however, it's not including the file hashes in the diff
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-02#1868722 << must be the dreaded ada/c interop. which version of gnat, which os are you using? ☝︎
asciilifeform: hm, loox like he went to sleep, i suppose i'ma spoil it tomorrow...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: soo asciilifeform had a bit of sleep and wakes up and turns out the serpent thing has a twist ending
billymg: however, it's not including the file hashes in the diff ☟︎
billymg: managed to press vtools and use vdiff to create a patch of the css tweaks for the "default" theme included in mp-wp http://billymg.com/downloads/mp-wp-css-refine.txt ☟︎
billymg: hi all, sorry i've been away for a bit. last weekend ended up being a social one and tonight's the first chance i've had to poke around with vtools