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ben_vulpes: sina, i have a patch sitting in my tree that will paste output as well

mircea_popescu: ha. that's a legitimate q huh!

mircea_popescu: cool. seeing how ben_vulpes ' lisp implementation ain't working yet, you have a shot at becoming the first cannonical mpfhf

sina: python for a first pass

sina: got most of a thing working

mircea_popescu: the prototype was originally more of a "omfg show me what the fuck do you mean with this spec ?!?!?!" sort of easement.

pete_dushenski: "The extension uses a bit.ly URL to reach its C&C, but the URL path is nowhere to be found in the extension code. In fact, it will obtain this path by using comments posted on a specific Instagram post. The one that was used in the analyzed sample was a comment about a photo posted to the Britney Spears official Instagram account."

shinohai: Laughably ... ETC has a higher "market cap" than LTC right now.

mircea_popescu: "o btw, did they MAKE a ton of money, or did they just IMAGINE they MIGHT AS WELL HAD on the basis of stuff they read on a website ?"

ben_vulpes: "hey what do you think about ethereum? a couple of guys i know bought some and made a ton of money?" "which ethereum?" "..."

mircea_popescu saw bitstamp "volume" took it for price had to do a dbl take lel

jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Error: 'popcorn' is not a valid currency code.

mod6: ' was getting complaints, so tried your commented out line of: M : Maps.PMap(Length => 0, Offset => 1); instead. 2) gnatmake doesn't like that procedure horse_test is in a file called 'test.adb', wants it to be in 'horse_test.adb'

ben_vulpes: texas a&i and southern methodist, apparently

mod6: <+asciilifeform> i see 2 lines of the needed 'image fix and a bunch of ??? << so two other things. 1) 'M

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-09#1667732 << loller at the butthurt. "sarah" saldana, who most likely is random illegal who went to maryland to study "crime fightin'", and in any case was a political appointee by the worlds shittiest set of politruks, complains that her minions inherited by trump are used... for a political goal. FUCKING pantsuits, it's only pissing if you do it, they don't do it, wut???. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: "let's stash dubious chinese imports in the us as a wealth amassing scheme, wut could possibly go wrong!"

a111: Logged on 2017-06-09 16:08 asciilifeform: https://archive.is/i1Usl << from same fishwrap >> 'Two members of the US Army National Guard have been convicted of running a credit card fraud scheme involving bitcoin... using bitcoins to purchase stolen credit and debit card numbers... using magnetic strip re-encoding tools to apply stolen numbers to dummy cards, after which they would buy merchandise from Army and Air Force Exchange Service stores at US military bases, as well a

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-09#1667692 << this stupid bs being most of why the common wisdom is you want a router in the first place. of course, router also made by same idiots... ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-06-09 14:26 shinohai: http://archive.is/pRUJY "CoinDesk is a subsidiary of DCG, which has an ownership stake in Chainalysis, Coinbase and Elliptic." ... /me did not know Shillbert supported "Blockchain Law Enforcement" so heavily.

mircea_popescu: !!later tell sina a) dun need to msg me the day's log, i always read it anyway and b) yeah, the prototype actually implements an older spec. trivial to revise if one cares to, was published.

asciilifeform: i see 2 lines of the needed 'image fix and a bunch of ???

ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: well, a) being lighthearted but b) the ada stuff?

a111: Logged on 2013-04-04 19:17 asciilifeform: consider a hardware widget that receives a single-use CC number (for $X) from a hypothetical BTC-enabled bank and writes it to a blank physical ATM card, when you send the bank $X equiv. of BTC.

ben_vulpes: heh, perfectly cranky republican gentleman's sport of code review: nobody will tell you what bugs they found, but they might give you a sha256 description of one

ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: oh you know, someone "myeah, i had a feeling that wasn't going to work out" me: *explodes*

asciilifeform: https://archive.is/i1Usl << from same fishwrap >> 'Two members of the US Army National Guard have been convicted of running a credit card fraud scheme involving bitcoin... using bitcoins to purchase stolen credit and debit card numbers... using magnetic strip re-encoding tools to apply stolen numbers to dummy cards, after which they would buy merchandise from Army and Air Force Exchange Service stores at US military bases, as well a ☟︎☟︎

asciilifeform: kinds of exchanges is a good place to start..' << lol!!

a111: Logged on 2017-06-09 09:17 ben_vulpes: turns out one can't `decf' a loop-macro established `place'

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-09#1667638 << i contemplated whether to show ben_vulpes ~all~ of the mistakes in his proggy, or to let him find for himself, decided on the latter ( it's a healthy thing ) ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-06-09 09:05 mircea_popescu: and i suspect alf is either making a c one or trying to talk himself into it

a111: Logged on 2017-06-09 09:00 sina: I am a big fan of the 600 lines of python idea, using libraries to offload stuff to C where appropriate

asciilifeform: every once in a while i also post, publicly, copy of the db: it's ~12G, gzipped, presently. this oughta be enough for anyone.

shinohai: http://archive.is/pRUJY "CoinDesk is a subsidiary of DCG, which has an ownership stake in Chainalysis, Coinbase and Elliptic." ... /me did not know Shillbert supported "Blockchain Law Enforcement" so heavily. ☟︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2017-06-09 12:50 sina: from my reading of http://trilema.com/2017/towards-a-better-hash-function/ it seems like the "screw" and "half screw" operations, "screwing S in R" means, R will be changed, and "screwing R in S" means S will be changed. the footnote (ii) examples support this interpretation. but in the prototype implementation http://trilema.com/mp_fabulous_hashonator.php ...it seems like the "step 1" half screw S in R

sina: from my reading of http://trilema.com/2017/towards-a-better-hash-function/ it seems like the "screw" and "half screw" operations, "screwing S in R" means, R will be changed, and "screwing R in S" means S will be changed. the footnote (ii) examples support this interpretation. but in the prototype implementation http://trilema.com/mp_fabulous_hashonator.php ...it seems like the "step 1" half screw S in R ☟︎☟︎☟︎

deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/06/after-snap-elections-britain-to-enter-brexit-negotiations-without-a-majority-party-in-parliament/ << Qntra - After Snap Elections, Britain To Enter Brexit Negotiations Without A Majority Party In Parliament

ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: naively, i passed a function called from within the scope a reference to the thing

ben_vulpes: from a function defined outside the loop macro

ben_vulpes: turns out one can't `decf' a loop-macro established `place' ☟︎

ben_vulpes: a million billion log lines later, i have found an implementation-killer

mircea_popescu: and i suspect alf is either making a c one or trying to talk himself into it ☟︎

mircea_popescu: but! if you're looking for something to sink teeth in right now, either a c or python mpfhf impl is prolly a ghood moive

mircea_popescu: hopefully this "offload" doesn't turn into a turd

sina: I am a big fan of the 600 lines of python idea, using libraries to offload stuff to C where appropriate ☟︎

sina: it'd be a lot more than 600 lines of ada that's for sure :P

mircea_popescu: phuctor is vaguely slated for a 4th iirc rewrite to decouple the front end and other stuff. so i guess this goes in the literature review pile for when.

sina: its just a mechanism to offload a IO to an async model in C (epoll, kqueue and libevent supported)

a111: Logged on 2017-04-07 16:03 asciilifeform: does he IMMEDIATELY get a bookmarkable link based on the key's hash ? that he can come back to next hour, next day, next decade ? if so, how ??

ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: a casual manual inspection suggests my implementation is catastrophically broken, but i spent the evening twiddling bots, so haven't put the time into figuring out what might be wrong.

trinque: me? oh I'm just a dude.

trinque: well, you have a wot and suddenly folks wet themselves when they get an !!up

ben_vulpes: trying to read open source is in no way a road to literacy either.

trinque: heh, bringing up these old window managers reminds me of a more optimistic time in re: computing in my youth

mod6: i used to use one called 'ion', which had some awesome keybindings. this was suggested to me by a gentoo guy back in like 03.

shinohai: It is very nice looking and lightweight ( big plus) but gonna require a learning curve to be useful for me

asciilifeform: and holyshit, there's a new release?!!

mod6: i basically have no use for a "desktop environment" anyway. does ~0 for me.

asciilifeform: (format t "~A~%" foo))

asciilifeform: (format t "~A~%" (bit-not foo))

asciilifeform: (invert s) wants a destructive op

asciilifeform: he had a pretty tall pile of sofas.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't find it objectionable. it IS however disqualifying, for their claims as to the self. in other words, i don't respect them above chattels, and there's a fine reason why i'm right to not respect them above chattels : right here.

mircea_popescu: a page of code, in any case.

mircea_popescu: afaik that had a bunch of implementations already.

mircea_popescu: anyway, in a VERY fine manifestation of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-08#1667268 + "everyone in ourdemocracy is 75", i expect entirely no participation. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: kinda why i gave it a time lol

mircea_popescu: that';s what i mean, it's really very minimalistically built for the purpose of showing a set of idiots they;re idiots.

mircea_popescu: especially the "arbitrary" epithet is meaningless -- anything seems arbitrary to the disinterested. and otherwise, everything's a prng etc.

asciilifeform: both is exercise in breaking a gnarly and largely arbitrary prng.

asciilifeform: i dare say the pot is a little bigger, in that casino

asciilifeform: funnily enough, asciilifeform already plays a variant of this game regularly, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-23#1660316 ☝︎

mircea_popescu: but the fact remains -- you have "The book" ie a complete description of the god machine. all that's left is to you know, apply them "just the facts" in context.

mircea_popescu: in fact, every single player that spends 256 rounds finding out the functions achieves the historical goal of all human science. in this alt universe, it's not "ars longa" etc, it's a specified, 256 step process.

asciilifeform: ( i was half-convinced that mircea_popescu did this exercise as a response to the dieharder thread )

asciilifeform: if you can 'learn' from rng -- it's a poor rng

mircea_popescu: whole thing started as a dispute re the practical meaning of learning.

mircea_popescu: hey, i already made a game. this was the reality teaching tool.

asciilifeform: this imho makes for a pretty good teaching tool re reality, but poor game

mircea_popescu: in any case -- it's not just that there's A LOT of leakage of actual information from universe to player. it's that irl there's provably less.

mircea_popescu: that's the fucking point. as bama well observed, "my old man used to gamble when he plantted his field and prtayed dfor rain. i figure if a man's gonna gamble, might as well do it without plowing."

mircea_popescu: basically a sort of "find out if you can or can't prove, FOR REALS."

asciilifeform: 'This ISR describes a total of 256 linear functions, indexed in a one-byte list. Each function is of the format ai X + bi, with i taking values from 0 to 255. For each byte in the ISR : the first bit will set ai to negative if 1, and to positive otherewise ; the second bit will set ai to either 1 or 2 ; the third bid will set bi to negative if 1 and to positive otherwise ; the remainder five bits will set the value of bi (from 1 to 3

mircea_popescu: the state is kept as bytes, except for a and b parameters of linear functions, which are reals, and which change through division by ints.

asciilifeform: floats suck mightily, incidentally, especially for 'model reality' or whichever involving rng -- because your uniform rng now becomes a skewed shitsoup because the number line is now unevenly populated

mircea_popescu: whole fucking point here is the deux-pez is not a fully computable machine.

asciilifeform: serving coffee, in modern-day usa, is seen as 'rock bottom', possibly like picking cotton once was -- there is a seemingly infinite bureaucrat population, and drinks seemingly infinite litrage of coffee

mircea_popescu: dork wasn't perceiving itself as part of a cheapo corporate culture ; on THE CONTRARY!!!11

mircea_popescu: culture shock of all time, when mp ran into barrista, pointed out to her that he didn't give a shit about what her supposded name is either, when they started the whole nametag crap in the 70s.

asciilifeform: ( 'starbucks', for foreign n00bz, is a kind of mcdonalds that sells coffee and scones )

asciilifeform: the typical outcome is a) marriage b) starbucks

mircea_popescu: except it's not "i can't decide what to do", it's "i've decided that being a fluffer's handmaiden is below my level. i'm not willing to kill myself over this apparent failure of the world to contain anything fit for me, but i'll shamble about aimlessly for a while maybe something sticks"

mircea_popescu: usg is a major selector for shit by now, btw. ~only female here who was keen on immigrating (got some "criminology" degree from, you guessed it, umd) was ~0 market value call-center-for-lyf operator.

asciilifeform: and - as always - after these come the 'free market!111 i'm sure to find a place, and Profit!111'

mircea_popescu: first the chicks with great tits show up, and make a party out of a desert. then the chicks with ugly tits hear about the nice tit hangout and go there to try and sprinkle some nice on their sad bosoms.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it isn't obvious, at least to asciilifeform , that having worked as a legit surgeon for 30yrs, say, in orcland, is a serious advantage to starting illustrious butt-silicone-injections-in-back-of-truck career in oakland

mircea_popescu: only place where someone will pay good money to you know, have somebody operate on him in the back of a truck.