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mircea_popescu: pity the internet wasn't invented by romanians, it'd have racial resistance to trolling built in by default.
mircea_popescu: sadly i can't seem to locate it anymore. the things you end up missing ;/
mircea_popescu: t went, "dear employees, please do not refer to the hr vp as 'nefututa aia'" and so following to exhaustion.
asciilifeform: ideally you wouldn't even i/o from a worker thread, imho, only main prog would i/o.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-08 18:12 mircea_popescu: they have a whole signalling thing in ada, so you don't have to do the retarded c infinite loop
mircea_popescu: they have a whole signalling thing in ada, so you don't have to do the retarded c infinite loop ☟︎
diana_coman: and to clarify just in case there was any doubt: NO, workers are not meant to loop for ever or any such nonsense; BUT I still can't assume that can not happen!
a111: Logged on 2019-02-08 17:01 mircea_popescu: the only correct solution to "this program has spawned something it can't kill" is "kill the program then".
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-08#1893756 -> this makes in fact a lot of sense esp given asciilifeform's observation that indeed, that's an unrecoverable error state; so this sounds good: if child task doesn't die when aborted then kill self (taking the task with self too ofc); I'll experiment with this but afaik so far it should work ☝︎☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: and i said "why would you buy these small shits, they don't even have a reset button"
mircea_popescu: but i will not stand for this "can't kill my baby" nonsense.
asciilifeform: pretty sure you can get at the underlying pthread and term it, if you gotta. just like you can get at raw c ptrs , as illustrated in e.g. http://btcbase.org/patches/udp_genesis . my observation aint 'shuddyp and suck, lang tied yer hands for yer own good' but 'if your proggy is actually correct, you won't find yerself ~having~ to individually scalpel out threads'
mircea_popescu: if i can't kill threads any time i want, I WILL NEVER SPAWN ANY.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, that's not the fucking question. the question is i don't have a wedgeable, and "somehow" the shit dun die when i say.
mircea_popescu: the only correct solution to "this program has spawned something it can't kill" is "kill the program then". ☟︎
mircea_popescu: if someone shuts down some procedure i didn't want shut down, i'll find them and kill them. and meanwhile, i can't have gord eating my sandwiches as a 28 yo "man".
mircea_popescu: lion can't take frost, gets pneumonia and dies.
mircea_popescu: this is fucking ridiculous, you can't have a language like that.
diana_coman: but I can't kill them if they are looping!!
diana_coman: (since if they block, they also block the whole thing that is stuck waiting on them and can't kill them even)
diana_coman: hm, in possibly interesting ada-bits: apparently "abort" for tasks does not really kill them if /when they are in an infinite loop; according to ada docs I got the idea of "abort-deferred" i.e. in some states it won't abort but "infinite loop or waiting for a procedure call to return" did not seem to figure there; in practical terms this means that my workers will have to attempt any Job in a guarded manner i.e. give up on it after some ma
BingoBoingo: For the Unfairness files: Local media finally reporting last night's fire. What picture do they put above the fold? One lifted from wikipedo where fire wasn't. http://archive.is/2AVuL
diana_coman: if there's nothing for them to do, they get killed; but not sure what's the point in keeping them idling anyway; i.e. if it's busy then no, they don't get killed
mircea_popescu: apache workers ain't jobs ; and i took alf's comments to mean "why are you killing them 9k times/s", which is in his usual style of random assumptive approach, nobody said they'd be killed often.
mircea_popescu: it is actually better to have a robust life.death cycle than to pretend like death ain't supposed to happen.
mircea_popescu: the problem is, since you can't guarantee workers staying up, you'll need a way to create them anyway.
diana_coman: re workers aborting unexpectedly: it shouldn't happen, no; but I can't rely on it not happening
mircea_popescu: the ustard is that species of moron who imagines anything outside his shithole doesn't, properly speaking, exist.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-07 18:20 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in the everlulz, Cisza 21F sub 3h "Don't you know what lesbian means? fuck you" LordMPofTMSR "Lmao. I should know, I'm sure I fucked more than you."
asciilifeform: so won't work here.
asciilifeform: see, they haven't found how to make a jonathan apple from anthracite just yet. Moar Studies Needed (tm)(r)
mircea_popescu: was the only way -- they had to be better, i wouldn't lower myself to mine inferior stuff.
asciilifeform: http://ossasepia.com/2019/02/07/seppuku-job-market-minimal-dynamic-tasking-in-ada/#selection-185.130-185.193 << (again given that i haven't used the threadtron) interested to learn the answr to 'what do they weigh'
mircea_popescu: you can't go "it doesn't seem to me this architectural model is very strong, seems made of polystyrene". yes, the model's made of polystyrene.
asciilifeform: http://ossasepia.com/2019/02/07/seppuku-job-market-minimal-dynamic-tasking-in-ada/#selection-101.42-101.207 << possibly i mentioned this prev., but asciilifeform avoids secondarystack not because it doesn't work reliably , but because it makes audit of binary moar difficult. i dunno if this concern is really applicable to items other than ffa.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'workers' are specialized for particular type of job ? ( i haven't read the proggy yet -- but seems to me that if that's the case, oughta specialize'em by case selector inside 'worker', rather than eating the overhead of rebirthing thread 9000/sec )
mircea_popescu: ie, you can't really have static jobs.
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't want to play any computer games hedgehogs made.
asciilifeform: imho this is great format ( tho phf hasn't baked the eater of it yet )
mircea_popescu: his appreciation for culinary virtues of treebark isn't fully developed yet.
diana_coman: no idea but according to reports he "looked totally like a satisfied cat and didn't want to leave"
diana_coman: hm, I'm not even sure he doesn't disagree on that already given that he was at his happiest when among 3 sisters
mircea_popescu: btw, if anyone cares -- i never had "screentime restrictions" besides a purely oral "would you be reasonable!!!" ; doesn't seem to have done me any harm.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i can't picture one'd get far in supa w/out knowing that, yea
mircea_popescu goes to write the last month;'s report. which was going to get done sooner if we didn't end up drinking a lot of sangrias an' partying with the hooters waitresses.
mircea_popescu: very much truth, btw, i don't know there exist three girls alive that've fucked more lesbians than you truly.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in the everlulz, Cisza 21F sub 3h "Don't you know what lesbian means? fuck you" LordMPofTMSR "Lmao. I should know, I'm sure I fucked more than you." ☟︎
trinque: BingoBoingo: sure, makes sense. is the reason I didn't bake such a thing clear?
BingoBoingo: I've made a new stick off of what Gentoo.org advertises as a "2012" build, but Gentoo.org isn't in my WOT.
BingoBoingo: On the other hand my technical director is buried in work, Republican and Saecular. The boot drive we had been using to stand up boxes infrequently as we have... this box doesn't want to boot to. I would like to offer as pleasant an environment as possible for the customer's experiment, and for that... I suspect any old Debian will not do. The more time they have to do their experiment and the less they spend making the environment
mircea_popescu: wasn't going to.
mircea_popescu: of course, it didn't come with sources.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you're certain you won't need fast disk of >1mo of operation, we can feed you one of the still-working retired rk drives
mircea_popescu: or in general. i want 2gb films like i want the clap. if god didn't mean films to be 700mb he wouldn't have made cd's that big.
mircea_popescu: tbh, if it weren't for crypto, i still wouldn't.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there were at least 4 variants. i haven't encountered the 32b one tho.
mircea_popescu: evidently, this isn't the first time.
mircea_popescu is waveriong whether he wants to actually buy an x-pad or can't be arsed.
mircea_popescu: right. i gotta buncha t's
mircea_popescu: the ibm stuff was T-whatever.
mircea_popescu: a wait, yes, x-s are lenovos aren't they.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> vaguely relatedly, is there such a thing as a 64 bit laptop that's acceptable as far as anyone knows ? << I don't hate the thinkpad x120e, AMD E350 Bobcat chip
mircea_popescu: i never bought one yet, principally because i don't know of such a thing.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: when you fill this order, plox to bring up that box with a usb boot stick and give it ip, so hanbot doesn't have to use the quite unpleasant kvm.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what do you have, 1tb or something ? i can't imagine it wouldn't suffice.
mircea_popescu has no data re this job, so can't say much.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i don't suppose you folks have a 64 bit machine i could get for hanbot to continue her cuntooing ?
a111: Logged on 2019-02-04 17:29 mircea_popescu: can't see why not.
trinque: I don't plan on porting the bootstrapper to other architectures; it'll be better once the bridge has been crossed to crosscompile for various other archs (arm, i686, toaster)
a111: Logged on 2019-02-05 23:05 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform weirdly that doesn't yield either. i coudl've sworn we had a logthread on african "career women" and euro powdered milk.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform weirdly that doesn't yield either. i coudl've sworn we had a logthread on african "career women" and euro powdered milk. ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: far as i'm concerned, walking bodies who can't languages into a higher maffs classroom is == lunacy to walking in ones who never learned arithmetic
mircea_popescu: can't locate now the discussion of danone giving out "free baby formula" to moronic (aka "aspirational") orc females just for long enough to suspend natural lactation, and etcetera.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-05 21:19 asciilifeform: ( what little of use that ~does~ exist in eng, is 'ancient' and 'wouldn't do!11' to assign, cuz threadbare faculty would rather pad own pockets and send chumpers to buy ~their~ dead tree rubbish )
diana_coman: ahhh, if at it, asciilifeform one thing I really try to get hold of and couldn't, perhaps you have it: some offline audiobooks read by this Samoilov Vladimir?
diana_coman: yes, it has to be here, top of the list if it's tops; it's not "recommend for X's and Y's capabilities" but "recommend for Z topic" , isn't it?
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-05#1893092 -> honestly, I don't see it: if he luvved to then WHY not recommend it? in martian if that's what it is in, wtf ☝︎
diana_coman: pitty you didn't find the prof before finding only his...remains as it were
asciilifeform: ( what little of use that ~does~ exist in eng, is 'ancient' and 'wouldn't do!11' to assign, cuz threadbare faculty would rather pad own pockets and send chumpers to buy ~their~ dead tree rubbish ) ☟︎
asciilifeform: i can't speak for europistans, but in 'new world' this is a dire problem, there largely ~aint~ any good book.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: it wasn't actively 'break out in hives' allergenic, is all.
diana_coman: speaking of Barnes' Ada book: it IS very useful and I certainly do go back to it quite often still for all sorts but it still has at times such ideas that I can't stand; e.g. "The reader will probably feel that the activation mechanism is somewhat elaborate. However, in practice, the details will rarely need to be considered. They are mentioned in order to show that the mechanism is well defined rather than because of their everyday import ☟︎
asciilifeform: pretty sure i didn't dream it tho.
diana_coman: I don't recall
diana_coman can't quite make her mind: already/only TEN years ?
a111: Logged on 2019-02-05 14:37 asciilifeform: diana_coman: fwiw i didn't end up on 2012 blindly, actually walked the feature ladder and consciously picked.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-05#1892758 << i specifically ~don't~ read them, among other real or imagined reasons specifically so i don't end up galled by some random infantilism and then carry it about. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: this doesn't map directly, but if diana_coman were a noob that'd be the time i'd be like, "btw guise..."
mircea_popescu: eg http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-02#1891844 happened specifically because "hm, this private convo... shouldn't die in smg boardroom". not the first time, either. ☝︎
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I suspect it would do you well to carve out some time this week or next to take in the tract on America. The off season devolution models this very much and can't fairly be summarized.
BingoBoingo: Hedonistic adaptation, they always itch. Can't care
a111: Logged on 2018-08-01 03:03 douchebag: I'm in AT&T Hall of Fame
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i honestly don't think poor success rates with clinically relevant levels of self absorbed morons is necessarily something you'd be too worried about.
mircea_popescu: i don't even see the problem with this. though i must confess midly curious as to why it manages to occupy your time.
mircea_popescu: so, ultimately, the logic here goes thusly : 1) of all the parts of living animal, i choose spleen to be defined as "only relevant part", arbitrarily. because i really like spleens and i don't really understand anything besides them nor do i wish to or see why i should have to ;
asciilifeform: also if mircea_popescu says harem consists of sales genius , i'ma believe; but i haven't any direct evidence of subj.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-19 16:22 mircea_popescu: think of the whole opposability angle, will you. 1. alf : "your summaries suck" 2. bimbo "master, is this true ?" now i'm stuck. i'm not going to do a 3.b. "yes, because i like him" and i can't do a 3.a. "yes, because ~SOMETHING~" as the something's an undefined symbol.
mircea_popescu: i still don't think so.
mircea_popescu: in the sense of, "the only surviving island of non-(engineeridiocy) is this here harem, and further, as part and parcel of my continued and systematic efforts to ensure failure, not only do i perceive this as a substantial lack of everyone else, but instead i'll propose that taking a sufficiently narrow view of the matter, it could almost be said the lacking parts don't even exist" ?
asciilifeform: can't propose so far as to 'set goal', but will observe that the net # of mechanical moving parts currently fielded that came out of harem, is afaik 0.