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Framedragger: i, too, know
Framedragger: i, too, know
phf: "i know a good UDP joke, but i don't think you'll get it"
asciilifeform: meanwhile, among the ethermonkeys, 'they have messy code paths, don't follow best practices, and happen to work by the skin of their teeth. The code works on a good day with the wind on its back. But when it comes to corner cases, things get awfully complex. In the course I teach, when I point out such situations to students, they go into a diatribe that goes "well, you see, the problem can't arise because for it to happen, A has to
mircea_popescu: which from what i hear a LOT of generals in the ru army really wish to do.
shinohai: I do.
shinohai: Yeah was just discussing ups with mod6. I haz generator for extended outages" but ups would be nice as well.
shinohai: I view it as another "what not to do" moment .... add research better surge protection to my todo list
shinohai: If only I had waited to move back here one extra weekxD
mod6: i did just have my trees cut back from the powerlines about a week ago.
mod6: i have similar ones.
shinohai: I had one of these: http://www.fullcompass.com/prod/271259-American-Power-Conversion-P11VNT3?utm_source=googleps&utm_medium=shopping&utm_campaign=googleps&st-t=googleshopping-accessories&vt-k=&vt-mt=&vt-pti=271259&gclid=CjwKEAjw7J3KBRCxv93Q3KSukXQSJADzFzVSROXPxzL4bKeiiY_PGHPZyPoqaTvvhA5rVq9J58JvhBoCcGXw_wcB
shinohai: HDD is ok, and pogo containing my backup chain survived so at least I don't have to start over *there*
asciilifeform: sometimes also perversities (e.g. today found very nice shop lamp , of a 1950s type i already have, and picked up... walked with that)
asciilifeform: and then i look in shitpile of paperz and find that some d00d actually did this, called it 'subtractive karatsuba', used in some microcontroller,
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think the discussion has uncovered why exactly it is my bristles stand up. it'd be one thing if a sane place with a sane culture with respectable people churned out a "hey, chick didn't get married because the cups lolz" thing. THEN it would be funny.
mircea_popescu: which has succeeded in one aspect : i see india, generally speaking, as a sort of latrine. probably because of these.
asciilifeform: the folx asking on 'shit overflow' re 'how do i make for loop plz dear Sir help' are the... other kind
asciilifeform: do i have to keep going ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i have doubts that they ran a closed-arsemouth production cycle. it'd show today.
diana_coman: at asciilifeform's link it even says it might have been his wife, not his daughter - so maybe it was more of a consolation/precisely the dedication thing I was saying earlier: too busy to fuck, I wrote this book
mircea_popescu: diana_coman there is that i guesd
asciilifeform: 'cause i can think of a few, linked, that might not..
mircea_popescu: diana_coman yeah prolly. i just don't like it.
diana_coman: I really think you are reading too much into it; the way I see the thing it's basically a dedication; inept like all dedications if analysed but wtf is there to analyse in the first place
mircea_popescu: and i dun care for the another thing at all.
diana_coman: I can't say I studied the time+culture of the guy to know, perhaps mircea_popescu knows better what he is talking about; it sounds really highly unlikely to me that it was the case that woman could just go and fuck, hurray, but whatevers
mircea_popescu: it's annoying to high heavens. it's one thing to show up at your wedding and go "what a great day for a wedding, let's have two!" and force your first maid into marriage with some randomlty chosen guy. it's the same thing to say "fuck this shit, i don't feel like getting married today, go home all of youze".
diana_coman: I kind of doubt the story is *true* as such, so there is that
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform moreover, i am not familiar with the story, nor with the culture, likely reading too much / wrong things into it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i suspect - unrelated. think, king has 1 daughter, 'fuck, how do i spend this one torpedo'
mircea_popescu: diana_coman i know of no culture outside of the chtonic-inspired anglos who deemed pregnancy as a negative.
asciilifeform: ('how do i pick?!!!')
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i believe.
diana_coman: I suspect every hole in knowledge (and not only that) might look like... insanity to those who ...simply have a better plug; not even a full plug, just better
diana_coman: uhm, the doctor story is weird re impressed but maybe that was the point of the visit for all I know
mircea_popescu: diana_coman when i was about three, they took me to a doctor. it was like a kinda mysterios affair, and it made no sense as i was not sick. the doctor asked me what do i do if i'm hungry ? and i told him i eat. he then asked me what do i do if i'm sleepy, and i said i go to bed. that was it, and everyone was impressed because apparently no fucking kids ever have any sense left.
mircea_popescu: i think a more apt misspelling would have been dlolar
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-18#1671900 << every time i see these, immediately think of those ww2 'surrender nao' leaflets ☝︎
shinohai: http://ethosdistro.com/ <<< I did not know this monstrosity existed
shinohai: Gah I need to do wot updates too ... been wellover a year
mod6: I'll try to get that done this week.
mod6: That reminds me too -- I need to go through and cleanout my wot one of these days.
mircea_popescu: hehe i do too
mircea_popescu: at least it gives the prostitutes something to yak about other than "i has found satoshee"
sina: I'm off gentlemen, have a fabulous week
mircea_popescu: i think that's a vast.
sina: I looked again through asciilifeform bignum lib in Ada
mircea_popescu: i've seen full cover with it tho
asciilifeform: funnily, i could easily afford, say, a gardener, but refuse to pay the equivalent of 8 gardeners so that obummercare and shameekas.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if you can find me an agentorange where the bloody shit STAYS GREEN 4evah, i'll buy for its weight in silver.
asciilifeform: i ain't doing this weekly.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i got one. problem is that it needs SCHEDULE
asciilifeform: the petrol-engined things, aside from vibration ( can't use my hands for day+ after ) and acrid smoke , also made of shit, i've thrown out 2 (after attempting various orc repairs, cleaned carb etc) in frustration
mircea_popescu: aha. this is why i did it in timisoara, flatland, and not here.
asciilifeform: story gets even moar pathetic, the battery (i shit thee not) died in my 'furca' for 2nd time today
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform has not read the story of hyenas and haggling i take it :D
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'd luvv to mow with flamethrower. or disintegrator mean.
asciilifeform: back upstack -- i spend considerable time doing this and similar nonsense because : high-friction
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually i have my cutter set to 'in-place'
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> the funny bit is that the needed commercial arrangement 'i call on a saturday and it happens THIS MOTHERFUCKING HOUR while i'm out to dinner' is not available where i live << The is lawnmowing service since the exit of children is priced based on amoritization of mowing equipment
mircea_popescu: all my shit goes back to all my olther shit, it's crazy. i was just contemplating this earlier.
asciilifeform: the funny bit is that the needed commercial arrangement 'i call on a saturday and it happens THIS MOTHERFUCKING HOUR while i'm out to dinner' is not available where i live
a111: Logged on 2017-04-30 13:58 asciilifeform: 'If I employ a gardener, I have to earn £3 for every £1 he can actually spend, because everything is taxed twice, first as my income, then as his.' << not only still true in today's reich, but today it'd be 10 : 1 .
BingoBoingo: <mod6> im not sure why they switched to the new coolant. they always just said, "lasts longer, etc." but i wonder if it was really due to the proliferation of aluminum blocks. << Dex-cool is silicate free so gentler on Aluminum. Also something something organic/inorganic dopants differing between verde and naranja
mircea_popescu: but if i buy coffee grinder for factory, it is to work at all times, and girls will change their schedule to keep it going, not it to accomodate them. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: if i buy coffee grindewr for kitchen, it is to work whenever the girls want coffee ground.
mircea_popescu: sure, originally. what i had in mind above is that your idea of "serious kitchen" is probably my idea of factory but without any capital goods management.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm quite familiar with the original meaning of the word
mircea_popescu: tho potty humour aside, i suspect the actual dispute is re the meaning of factory
asciilifeform: well you did say 'own shop' so i pictured.
mod6: im not sure why they switched to the new coolant. they always just said, "lasts longer, etc." but i wonder if it was really due to the proliferation of aluminum blocks.
mod6: <+BingoBoingo> <mircea_popescu> i bought a can of coolant, it's FLUORESCENT GREEN << he dye is to tell you which of several incompatible types of coolant it is. Mixing GREEN and ORANGE coolant is a good way to introduce rust to one's engine block cooling passages. << iirc, all vehicles pre-1995 or so used the green coolant. ☟︎☟︎
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i bought a can of coolant, it's FLUORESCENT GREEN << The dye is to tell you which of several incompatible types of coolant it is. Mixing GREEN and ORANGE coolant is a good way to introduce rust to one's engine block cooling passages.
mod6: yeah, few examples i've seen of karatsuba all use base 10..
mircea_popescu: but yes alf is correct i did base 10 for convenience because most people don't have base 2 mult table loaded in head so dunno what 110 * 101 is
mod6: if i FOIL this thing (10 + 1)(10 + 1), i get: 10*10 + 10*1 + 1*10 + 1*1; 100 + 10 + 10 + 1 = 121. ooh, is see what you did there.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> trivially, 11 * 11 = 121, and also (10 + 1) * (10 + 1) = 10 * 10 + 2 * 10 * 1 + 1 * 1 = 121. << what I can't figure out is where the part: + 2 comes from.
asciilifeform: i'ma work a concrete example here, so, patience...:
mod6: i haven't groked it yet.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-16 23:07 lobbes: <mircea_popescu> use supybot carcass then << aye. 'tis what lobbesbot (and I think jhvh1) run on, sina
shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-16#1671180 <<< 'tis correct, though I am still working on switching it to lispbot as time permits. ☝︎
shinohai: One of those Argentines mircea_popescu raves about I see.
m0n0lake: i don't need no voice , thanks shinohai
shinohai: Epic logs I missed over past ~2 days .... especially phf's lecture this a.m.
mod6: I guess, it doesn't cover karatsuba specifically, but gives some background perhaps for the uninitiated.
asciilifeform: adding random noise -- 'i'll look in the box after T nsec, with T uniform random quantity..' most interestingly does NOT work
asciilifeform: hypothetically i could even do it ( supposing your rsatron is mains-powered ) by observing the imperceptible dimming of the room lights, from 5km away ☟︎
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: if i ( or whoever ) can time the execution of your mod-exp even to , e.g., 20% accuracy, a couplea times (say, by listening with radio next door) i can derive your p,q.
mircea_popescu: which, as i told sina, certainly fixes something : it makes it so that common people can't spy, but nsa still can.
asciilifeform: i had grunted it in from memory
asciilifeform: ( at one point i derived how to do ~fixed-joules~ rsa, and it is in the logs, but needs peculiar silicon, don't expect one yet )
mircea_popescu: i prefer the word invest.
asciilifeform: anyway to round out the thread -- i solved it, in the 'obvious' way, but now gotta simplify the proggy a bit, so that it becomes again readable, and also ideally would like to waste less space
asciilifeform: i'll review karatsuba here, ftr. suppose you have 2 L-bit numbers, X and Y, to multiply. you can multiply X*Y the usual way, is O(N^2). but instead anatoly alexeevich k. shows us that you can cut X into X0,X1, ceil(x/2) and floor(x/2) bits, respectively, and same to Y, -> Y0,Y1, and then you only gotta do THREE multiplications, X0*Y0, X1*Y1, (X0+X1)*(Y0+Y1)
mircea_popescu: anyway, the point re fluorescents is more to see where than to see if, i bet.
mircea_popescu: i bought a can of coolant, it's FLUORESCENT GREEN
asciilifeform: though i am at a loss to find a clean 'logic' for what gets 'fortified'. for instance i have on my desk now a commonplace can of pseudofreon , and to some surprise discovered 'bitterant to deter snorting' on the ingredients list
mircea_popescu: i've yet to meet the british government NOT fond of going around naming things.
asciilifeform: i've yet to meet the brit fond of dressing up in ukriform -- but nfi.