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phf: i have to say though, from ergonomic perspective i've realized a while ago that none of this particularly matters. it's all significantly offset by fitness regime or lack of

phf: yeah, i think we had a conversation about putting piano forte into the firmware. if you type it fff it'll automatically uppercase and add random !!! etc.

asciilifeform: spring buckles and conductive plastic 'foot' tips and moves just a little, changing the resonant freq of that row/column

phf: i've at some point went through a mechanical keyboard site and ordered 6 different boards with all the available switches from different manufacturers. while they look "retro", e.g. http://xahlee.info/kbd/i/modern_selectric_keycaps_50529.jpg they all universally felt cheap with light frame and unpleasant lateral travel

asciilifeform: i'd buy a several$k kbd if 0 plastic.

asciilifeform: But is does result in a product that is reliable not just to start with, but in ten or more years time.' << sounds great, but hey folx, why not make buckling springs like normal people!111

asciilifeform: 'Maltron keyboards are expensive by comparison and for many people represent a considerable investment. They are hand made from sheet materials which are formed and punched to make the shell or body of the keyboard. Cherry MX key switches are individually fitted by hand. The switch contacts are wired up into a scanning XY matrix by hand. In fact everything is done on an individual basis by hand. This does not result in a $5 product.

phf: mod6: people have modded that advantage to have a trackball in the middle, with a variety of approaches. there's actually hollow space there

asciilifeform: ( or possibly a half-truth -- perhaps it really does go 50m cycles before ~open circuit~ failure. but 'bounce' begins looong before )

asciilifeform: the '50 million cycles' thing is a bold lie.

BingoBoingo: All sorts of botique business endavors are born thinking "Better materials!!!" are a panacea, then they build their product, and it turns out there are design considerations beyond material

asciilifeform: ( how to make buckling spring is not a secret )

BingoBoingo: But will it be a very good keyboard?

asciilifeform: hence why i consider a box without fat, easy-to-reach 'f's, ~unusable

mod6: they annoyme... but really all i use is the ESC key, which i've since replaced the windows key with a new normal esc key and remapped.

a111: Logged on 2017-06-27 05:12 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674891 << i've been using that one for a while, with a https://www.amazon.com/CST2545-L-Trac-Wired-Performance-Trackball/dp/B00EEFK5QQ trackball in the middle. i'm pretty happy with that setup. i've figured out how to get the firmware out of the controller, so i'm hoping to customize some of the keys (that are otherwise useless)

phf: of only interest, it's got a state machine that knows how to parse (and validate as far as allocation and "how big is it?") individual packets, byte by byte and collect them until passing them on to gnupg

phf: in fact i think i'm going to rip out some of the messier linked lists etc. management parts and simply wire in shiva. obviously wouldn't want to use it in the field, but mostly as a thing in itself

asciilifeform: no 'vroom', no busybodies coming from miles around to see 'why is 8yo kid on a motorbike'

a111: Logged on 2017-06-27 00:54 asciilifeform: phf has a very similar gossipd in commonlisp, for instance

BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> and this thing did not at all resemble ordinary bicycle or 'moped' -- was miniature copy of 'kawasaki ninja' i think << Pit bike. Where I grew up if my parents were cooler,tis likely a thing I could have played with

asciilifeform: i'd like to know where i can get a comp pedal that i can REST FUCKING FOOT on

phf: freestyle 2 lacks numpad, but has an extra two columns of keys on the right, sun style, which is unfortunately bound to a bunch of windows/mac functions (like cut/copy). i mostly figured out how to change what those keys send though..

phf: i actually like advantage, but it encourages chording, which you hate. those rubber f-keys definitely don't help, but after a while that extra travel time to f-keys gets annoying anyway.

ben_vulpes: gimme a break

asciilifeform: speaking of which, i saw, i shit thee not, a child-sized motorcycle

asciilifeform: ... or possibly not, i have nfi what 'parking' costs for such a beast

asciilifeform: at a certain price tag it'd be worth having just for lulz, and to ride within swimming range of land

BingoBoingo: Well, general with vehicles of any sort... At the point the price becomes a "steal" yes, ownership costs far more than price tag

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: by the paper specs it seems to be a steal for the price. possibly the problem mircea_popescu mentioned ('lemons') is the tru reason.

asciilifeform: also not long ago i was bored on a train and found myself reading the tech docs to the diesel in that thing ( apparently a very common model.) surprisingly ( to asciilifeform ) the 'water going into the tailpipe when motor not running' is still considered an open engineering problem...

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I thought that was more of a PCP thing

asciilifeform: is there a gabriel_laddel in ze house

BingoBoingo: Principal effect of cocaine intoxication is a desire for more cocaine

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's more a ketamine thing.

BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: fwiw i have a very basic n00b level grasp of the constants in the equations - e.g. how much cocaine is eaten in a typical sitting, etc. so cannot comment usefully re grams << Typical cocaine use is gram after gram after gram after gram, I imagine mp or Tiger Woods level is sugar bowl or candy dish set out in advance

mircea_popescu: typical sitting ? prolly a sugarbowl's worth

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fwiw i have a very basic n00b level grasp of the constants in the equations - e.g. how much cocaine is eaten in a typical sitting, etc. so cannot comment usefully re grams

BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> meanwhile irl, if you cut a brick of coke 3:1 and bury the resulting miligrams indisivuallty you will be digging a million ditches. << 3000, who gets less than a gram of coke?

mircea_popescu: anyway, it has a fine profile to reeducate idiots. "dig-find-love" or how did that "book"/"movement" go

BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: it does seem to call into question your 'there is ~0 market for milligrams' thing << milligrams isn't a market, its retail

asciilifeform: incidentally it is in principle possible to make a ~cheap njd, that would fine moar valuable 'dropped item' in a day than a platoon of minesweepers

mircea_popescu: a nice. now lessee if anything happens huh.

asciilifeform: and so '1 brick' is bezzlated into equiv of 1*K bricks, where K is a pos. constant

mircea_popescu: so more like a game of childhood than anything

BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> hm. BingoBoingo see if dood wants to write a qntra post ? http://trilema.com/2015/on-how-the-factored-4096-rsa-keys-story-was-handled-and-what-it-means-to-you and all that. << Which dude where?

mircea_popescu: even if such a dig takes less than one hour of derp's time and no transportation, the fact remains that 1mn hours of minimum wage are > 1mn $ even in russhitia ; wheas a brick of anything is < 100k.

asciilifeform: but i see nothing inherently fantastic about the notion that 1,001 derps each of whom buys a ??? of unknown purity for 1,001% markup, could be +ev vs conventional 'brick' buyer.

mircea_popescu: meanwhile irl, if you cut a brick of coke 3:1 and bury the resulting miligrams indisivuallty you will be digging a million ditches.

asciilifeform: if the 'dead drop dope' thing is actually true as reported -- it is a 'britneyization', the dealer replaces 1 mircea_popescu with 10,001 milligramderps

mircea_popescu: and if i'm going to go dig up rabbit, im not digging up a spoonfull, im digging up enough to fill freezer.

asciilifeform: for all i know -- whole thing is a fabrication

mircea_popescu: i think you're supplementing by imagination all sorts of corners. there's a cost to bury.

asciilifeform: and, in same piece, the 'meatless contraband is a reddit trendoid thing and will vanish soon' thing

asciilifeform: the moar interesting, imho, aspect of the ru buriedtreasure thing is that ( again, thirdhandedly ) it is managed as a pure 'btc-in btc-out' operation

asciilifeform: ( re '3d print pistol', i strongly suspect that whole thing is a psyop, to distract from cheap and effective cnc milling )

mircea_popescu: there's a reason silk road failed to attract as much business as a lemonade stand.

mircea_popescu: you know, cuz he's seen a 3d printer once, so totally.

mircea_popescu: pressing ctrl-c ctrl-v in succession, buttons printed on a wall. etc.

mircea_popescu: would be funny if all that's left of white civilisation in a century or two is a collection of inexplicable nutty habits, such as ^

asciilifeform: also reportedly parks, benches, etc in various towns became a comical sight , where diggers rummage in the earth, like truffle pigs, looking for ???

shinohai: This is also known thing in city where one gets texted a "drop point" that requires recipient to find geocache of sorts

asciilifeform: iirc we discussed it here, as a theoretical.

asciilifeform: meanwhile also in the fishwrap, http://archive.is/t9BoT >> 'Reputed New York gangster released from prison at age 100' << '... in and out of prison for much of his adult life ... most recently incarcerated, at the age of 93 in 2010, for a racketeering conspiracy involving the shakedown of New York strip clubs.'

asciilifeform: 'This vulnerability led KMail to not encrypt email messages scheduled to be sent with a delay, even when KMail gave every indication that the email contents would be encrypted using OpenPGP.

mircea_popescu: that's the whole thing : my keeping some women out of circulation is a reflection of my power.

asciilifeform: is raven on battlefield, eating eyes of a corpse, 'a cut above' the soldier?

Framedragger: yeah i guess that's a nice thing with deedbot, it doesn't need secret key for most of the stuff incl. challenges..

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform whoever steals from the stupid man is a cut above the stupid man, whatever his foibles.

asciilifeform: basic idea - a vermin gets control of, e.g., factory, and processes it as a raw-material base - carefully organizes the disassembly and stealing of what-can-be-stolen, systematically, piece by piece, replacing with 'cheap prothesis' when possible to keep the budget dripping in for as long as practical

Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1675118 << isn't deciphering a challenge an instance of a secret key op? ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674902 << there is a handy post-su word, 'распил' ('sawing-apart') to describe the process ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674920 << i took a 300+km trip by train, on east coast of usa, not long ago, and it was quite a sight - carcasses of dead factories, ex-trainstations belonging to ex-towns, and other 'dead past' that 'unhappened', plain for naked eye to see ☝︎

asciilifeform: ( enciphering a challenge is not a secretkeyop )

mircea_popescu: anyway, getting the "unhappened" to at least know there's a name for it can't hurty anything

mircea_popescu: hm. BingoBoingo see if dood wants to write a qntra post ? http://trilema.com/2015/on-how-the-factored-4096-rsa-keys-story-was-handled-and-what-it-means-to-you and all that.

asciilifeform: e.g. 'MH has been found on Intel motherboards around 2007 – 2008 in Russia. Intel Corporation has never announced that it had or has a hypervisor in BMC system management software. We did not get any comments from the corporation after we provided a copy of the paper.'

mircea_popescu: republican humour, man. it's a thing.

a111: Logged on 2017-06-27 05:44 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674829 << your correct answer there was to say you use FG as a clock. which'd have totally sunk him, "my time comes in MB entropy chunks, ha-HA!"

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1675008 << this is actually more likely to sink you than simply using a very large time cushion would. ☝︎

asciilifeform: hypothetically -- even ping time might well have enough of a correlation to cpu load, that you can distinguish 'remanent of time cushion' from 'still rsa-ing' and eliminate the cushion.

ben_vulpes: of course i need a space before the closing paren

pete_dushenski: "Volvo Australia's technical manager David Pickett told the Australian Broadcasting Corporation (ABC) on Saturday that his company has been trying to solve the issue for 18 months. He said the way a kangaroo moves completely bamboozles the system -- a problem they haven't had with other animals around the world."

pete_dushenski: the love of great inca is a nasty habit to kick

BingoBoingo: Hmmm markets seemed to prefer mp as a jaguar spirit

a111: Logged on 2017-06-27 03:12 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-26#1674379 << introductions aren't intended to be handled by gossipd. the correct way to do this is for me to say "add 8A56264EAD0BC4BD9CD7AC0086B488AB sina" which is a legitimate pubkey of your gossipd, AND for you to go whatever re mine. then they can talk, change keys etc. not before./

sina: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674872 << sorry I used the wrong term there, I meant the operator. what I ended up with re that query is approximately what you've got there, except it's a two step process. 1. gossipc --add-peer --name sina --host <host> --port <port> which furnishes you a pubkey you can exchange with that peer (and they vice versa with you) and a seperate command to set the peer key ☝︎

mircea_popescu: prolly in a few days thay

pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: shoot me a list of all the commands for your bots when you have a min.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674829 << your correct answer there was to say you use FG as a clock. which'd have totally sunk him, "my time comes in MB entropy chunks, ha-HA!" ☝︎☟︎

mircea_popescu: there's a difference between encryption and obfuscation.

mircea_popescu: she's a sport ? ? ???

ben_vulpes: a nod's as good as a wink to a blind man

ben_vulpes: mod6: yeah, i bitched about that a day or so ago; now i have stale dns

mircea_popescu: and i mean to say that if the bot always verifies after a fixed time there's... fixed time.

BingoBoingo has a simulated alf in head that complains Supreme Court review is too slow for Trumpreich to overturn all of the shitty lesser courts on everything

phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674891 << i've been using that one for a while, with a https://www.amazon.com/CST2545-L-Trac-Wired-Performance-Trackball/dp/B00EEFK5QQ trackball in the middle. i'm pretty happy with that setup. i've figured out how to get the firmware out of the controller, so i'm hoping to customize some of the keys (that are otherwise useless) ☝︎☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎

mircea_popescu: a ok

a111: Logged on 2017-06-27 04:53 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674687 << this is very much so, and very much why both a) http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-17#1671529 and b) there not being an auto-signatron or decryptatron or so forth deployed anywhere in teh vast expanses of la serenissima.