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mircea_popescu: i'm just saying, there's both practical and theoretical views trhat are both more parcimonious and do not need it.
asciilifeform: ( and no, i dun have a cure to offer if indeed it is so, it seems to come with thermodynamics and any proposed 'cure' is likely to kill the eater like qin shihuangdi's mercury pills killed him )
mircea_popescu: "singing" in this manner isn't nearly trivial, which is why say dogs don't do it. dogs do all sorts of things, but understanding glass as a system to the degree needed here is rather tall a fence.
mircea_popescu: doesn't seem the case to me, but hey.
asciilifeform: if 'a' and 'b' are in a 'trench warfare' situation where neither has decisive advantage and can slaughter the other, their interaction will form dynamic system, and oscillate ( as the wolf and the hare taught in diff eq kindergarten )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sure, but that requires a few joules kinetic and a few terrabytes gnoseologic. as in your quote with "needed dollar to turn screw and million to know whcih one"
mircea_popescu: for the ~same money you could say "bitcoin is realligning to its true value driven by systematic failure of tmsr.
asciilifeform: my picture was slightly different tho : consider how you can break a pane of glass with a few joules , that normally would not even be felt on other side, if pumped into it with minimal impedance mismatch (i.e. on resonant phase). as in the famous opera singer trick.
mircea_popescu: and this is a necessary premise of your theory, so i'm not introducing anything here.
mircea_popescu: whole point of "bumper crop" is that A.dorks arbitrary value for a is divergent from market value of a. nothing more than that.
asciilifeform: which element of observed system corresponds to 'bumper crop' of the model ?
mircea_popescu: do you see how the only outcome of this is B expanding its borders into A ?
mircea_popescu: so at the coming time, they declare they shall trade a for b at the specified ratio. and B had a bumper crop, and so B buys a lotta a.
mircea_popescu: suppose now that for whatever reason, A.dorks decided "they will know in advance" "when a/b ratio is high and when a/b is low.
asciilifeform: that's my whole trouble, i am thinking of it in strictly gametheoretical terms, and it currently seems to me that a sufficiently large holder can inject oscillations into the system which he can then ride.
mircea_popescu: suppose there's two countries, A and B. suppose they have their repsective currencies, a and b. obviously through trade there's at all points going to be some b in A and some a in B.
mircea_popescu: no mata haris, fine, sure. think of it in game theoretic terms, if you will ?
asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu says 'natural fluctuation, aint enriching goldman sachs, they do not in fact know exactly when the year's peak and trough will be in advance' then i'ma have to believe , i dun have mata haris to send to find out
mircea_popescu: and i dispute natural (and necessary) fluctuation can ~in principle~ serve as indication in that direction.
asciilifeform: my q was whether usg has managed to re-create 'the printing press', or reasonable emulation thereof, via controlled waterfall .
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but the question still stands. it stands ubiquitously and universally, too. your elder slavegirl brings in a maid, http://trilema.com/2016/just-call-me-annah/ style. what now ? who's on top and when and why and so on.
mircea_popescu: in fact, one of the principal signals of a dead (ie, divorced from reality) monetary system is...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: given as you read my http://www.loper-os.org/?p=939 ( and then invited asciilifeform to party consequently ) you prolly know that asciilifeform is not fixated on magic 'fair'
a111: Logged on 2018-11-18 17:25 echelon: nanotube and theymos?
mircea_popescu: the equivalent would be a forum in which the shinohais, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-18#1873354 shined forever. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: even without those, there'd still have to be drops. it's just unsanitary not to.
mircea_popescu: "oh woe to me, of course mp is rich, he spent a summer with bitcoin at $2" "and what were you doing late nov 2018 ?" "oh, bitcoin didn't look good anymore ; i'll be back to woe my whine once it comes back up".
asciilifeform: i dun have a perpetuum mobile in my pocket, 'here's how'. simply pointing out that ( as mircea_popescu wrote on his www looong before i tuned in ) 'tard with gigantic bag of dough can wreck whole planets' , and that today this role is played by usg rather than gaggle of free range forumtards
mircea_popescu: how do you propose to reconcile monotone valuations with cyclical populations ?
mircea_popescu: or of the "it's unfair that guy is a lord just because he read the call back when i wasn't born yet". or however you turn it, it's the same fucking thing.
mircea_popescu: now, consider that the ~only problem of human society is the resolution of the http://trilema.com/2017/the-day-of-failure-trilemma/#comment-122811 dispute ; or if you prefer the "this is old and therfore good / this is new and therefore better" dilemma.
asciilifeform: soo the fact that btc/usd would fall 3.5x from dec '17 to today, was not seekrit ?! or contention is that it wasn't product or waterfall ..? which ?
mircea_popescu: hey, venerable sexuate reproduction worked well for all these years. every fifteen year old has a "secret" to share that's as unsecret as unsecrets can ever be.
asciilifeform: i.e. they share some % of the turbine's output with the folx who help'em refill
a111: Logged on 2018-02-06 18:46 BingoBoingo: Well, they gotta let the price run up again before they waterfall for increasingly disappointing crashes a couple more times at least.
asciilifeform: the imho misfortunate bit, is that for so long as they can http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-06#1782156 the waterfall, they actually ~have~ what to 'pssst, tell ya a valuable seekrit' to favoured orcs ☝︎
mircea_popescu: does it carry teh burning of girly lips, "return to the blue lagoon" style ?
mircea_popescu: how do you say "vreau sa-ti spun ceva" in teh russky ?
asciilifeform: evidently their extraction engine ~does~ work, or waterfall would have long ago dried ☟︎
mircea_popescu: going by http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-12#1871541 : is this also known, in "russian from odessa" bestiary, the thing where teenaged girl looking to mate "wants to tell you a secret" ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-11-16 16:41 mircea_popescu: empire is selling orcs the impression "they're in on a secret"
mircea_popescu: and the bitcoin present value of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-16#1872899 & periphenalia is about there. ☝︎
asciilifeform: future is function of the present tho
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: whatever happend to 'they belong in the lime pit' . why 'thousand or two', their correct share is imho 0
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: per http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1446 / http://trilema.com/2014/a-complete-theory-of-sociology/ , cluckers -- go to soup, in all times an' places, but while there are cluckers , farmer eats well
mircea_popescu: hey, a thousand or two is exactly what usg should have, based on its situation in the world, truthful general importance and so on.
asciilifeform: who somehow still have btc, into trading it for shitcoins. this last one seems to be the current flagship algo. working, as i understand, surprisingly well, monerism, etc
a111: Logged on 2018-11-16 14:31 mircea_popescu: for as long as only slanty eyes has horses, all horse races however drafted will have their fucking horses winning.
asciilifeform: my (admittedly nonexpert, i dun have a stable of mata haris to actually infiltrate the fuhrerbunker) model , is that reich has exactly 3 ways of getting hands on coin : 1 ) to mine ( not working so well, on acct of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-16#1872801 ) ; 2) to whack somebody over the head an' take their keyz. also not doing so hot, e.g. http://qntra.net/2018/11/usms-lists-approximately-660-bitcoins-for-sale/ ; 3 ) to con idjits ☝︎
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's kinda difficult / far from trivial to put clucker "thought" into human language.
mircea_popescu: by now it's mostly a sort of "dao without mp's splooge up ass" "but dorks... it has it on the face." "only asshole counts now!"
asciilifeform: which particular barb of the cock are they trying to weasel away from
asciilifeform: ah is this the 'we want Just Like Btc but Magically Nonvolatile' people ?
mircea_popescu: self-proclaimed "independent minds"/fuckwads GOTTA be hurt. that's what their life is about and for, "options". can't simply submit and worship bitcoin cock.
asciilifeform: at least the 'monero' crackpot folx have some nominal chump lure ( the ring signature song an' dance ) . but 'ripple' i have genuinely nfi who would deal in, other than eliza
asciilifeform: prolly 'lazy-evaluated', if mircea_popescu were to show up with a train load , they'll print with what to buy
mircea_popescu: oh, it's bought alright. thence the above discussions of weights.
asciilifeform: ( recall the bt'cash' experiment... )
asciilifeform: the 1 probe i can think of would be to try selling a bit of it an' see if it's bought; but i haven't any idea why to bother ( and would have to get some to sell in the 1st place )
mircea_popescu: happened fucking twice, what, unless i package it in lolcats it can stare right there from the graph, eliza dun see naught ?
asciilifeform: is the existence of 1 such idiot a necessary hypothesis ? or could be 100% wash
mircea_popescu: takes a minute to knock it in the head to match bitcoin. the relative weights are in excess of 1mn to 1, and yet some idiots somewhere still think ripple's worth more than a used car ?!
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, all the morons still buying into the "ripple" wash trade ? srlsly ? ripple is worth something, really ? even after this week ?
asciilifeform: prolly a team of 200 primo java monkeys already on it
mircea_popescu: the funniest bit being, that the above construction is exactly what teh robohitler's notion of luxury line anti-trilema would look like.
asciilifeform: ( n00bs would perhaps be sent there, and only those who graduate given to know of the actual #trilema ... )
asciilifeform: iirc i suggested this lul yrs prior, but would be hilarious if there were a parallel #trilema consisting simply of bots, 1 for each of us, fed with corpus of log lines + shannonizer
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so then why blame them for trying! :D
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i suspect one prolly ~could~ carry on a lengthy thread sewn strictly from trilema titles.
mircea_popescu: just because they're stupid doesn't mean they're not some mother's children too!
mircea_popescu: i shall now carry the entirety of this conversation in trilema titles.
asciilifeform: in 1966! already known! that secretute at terminal means , inescapably as lead poisoning , 'net of elizas' ☟︎
asciilifeform: and even nao that we have a 'the net' that consists to five-nines % of elizas and meat-elizas, even now one will still find the story in schoolbooks as 'great advance of ai' rather than 'great fathom of the sheer depth of meat puppet idjicy'
asciilifeform: the eliza thing, in particular the behaviour of the secretute who was given a whirl at the terminal, was 1 of those 'great advance warnings' of tech, sorta like edison's electrocuted drunk
mircea_popescu recently ran into refference to this pairing reading old trilemas.
mircea_popescu: those were the days
asciilifeform: PARRY: You should pay more attention. ELIZA: Suppose you should pay more attention. PARRY: You're entitled to your own opinion. ELIZA:What makes you think I am entitled to my own opinion? .. ☟︎
asciilifeform: 'Later, in 1971, Colby, Weber and Hilf developed PARRY, another chatbot, but this time was a paranoid schizophrenic made to chat with ELIZA. So they hooked up at ARPANET (pre-Internet) and put them to chat together. ' etc
asciilifeform tries to picture bot an intelligent mircea_popescu-seeking fetgurl might write, to search for mircea_popescus
asciilifeform: seems like good % of that site's inhabitants fail turing test
asciilifeform: tbf a buncha them sound just like.
mircea_popescu: dunnit tho.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile at the #girlscode farms, LordMPofTMSR 3w "Not even kidding." LonelyBunneh 1h "Hi" LordMPofTMSR 6m "Aha ?" LonelyBunneh 5m "What" LordMPofTMSR 2m "Idiot."
mircea_popescu: minutes ; and the timing not so strictly relevant. clusters of 3 reboots hours apart seem suspicious to me, is what i said.
asciilifeform: ( did i misread , or weren't those dead times in sec. )
asciilifeform: the 23 / 25 ... etc is prolly simply how long it happened to take for the thing to restart
mircea_popescu: kinda as signature-y as the dum-dudum sound of trained shooter with ak-47
asciilifeform: either him 'restarted' or the robot
mircea_popescu: aha. and then "fixed" and then "reverted" and then a few hours later "tried again".
asciilifeform: i've lost count tbh
asciilifeform: ( there's what, 5? 6? of'em published nao ? that work on all x86 iron )
asciilifeform: given as it was vps, dollars to doughnuts 'agent dickweed' was trying out a standard xyzbleed-powered vm escape, and hosed buncha processes, incl. trinque's
a111: Logged on 2018-11-20 05:04 mircea_popescu: the whole 23 / 25 / 29 then 59 / 19 / 31 regular tri-cycling is kinda suspicious.
mircea_popescu: trinque wouldn't that be more regular than http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-20#1873806 ? ☝︎
asciilifeform: vps ha. so dun even make sense to think 'power fail' etc
trinque: but who can say. maybe agent dickweed thought he got one in.
trinque: looks more like their backup service doesn't work and has been trying and failing to backup the box for about a day
trinque: this is a piece of shit vps on a service called vultr. the thing was being used as little more than a web-toilet which other services elsewhere use.
asciilifeform: trinque: funnily enuff , i was ~just about~ to buy a 'it is tempting fate to put ERRYTHING in 1 rack' box in singapore !
asciilifeform: net 0 of unscheduled mains failures, outside of that day, is 0 so far.