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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform commenting
the source code is never a bad idea.
mircea_popescu: it's another
to
trust it because asciilifeform commited it, and
therefore perhaps read it, and it's open source so
therefore "billions of eye pairs"
mircea_popescu: it's one
thing
to
trust
this rnd function because asciilifeform and 25 others signed on reading it.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: we need
to create
that "have read" accounting scheme i was
talking about weeks ago.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> how
to do signed commits <<
the barbarian way. everyone who read a patch file (yes) and is willing
to sign under it, signs.
this gets posted. whoever wants, can apply
the patches
to get a merged
turdball. << i
think
this is exactly how it should go.
☟︎ jurov: mircea_popescu: but iirc it signs
the diff, not just commit message
bounce: you can have git
trigger a log whatnot and feed
that
to
the other end of a bot
jurov: i have
to look into how signed commits are done
bounce: no real point
trying
to go
through bots when git can do it right away
mircea_popescu: a contrib
that is submitted via ssh WAS, maybe, perhaps, signed at some point.
mircea_popescu: jurov might be a good idea via bots, so people can commit from here directly, but even w/o
that : a contrib
that is signed is signed permanently.
bounce: no idea how
that works. you'd have
to have git check against valid gpg sigs from blessed keys or something?
jurov: via irc bots! bring
the noize!
bounce: though no, best put a ssh
thingy for commit on it
bounce: can
throw a git repo at it for starters
jurov just snatched
therealbitcoin.org/.com . we'll see.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: punkman yeah speaking of all
this comotion, any chance we get
the deedbot up by fri ?
mircea_popescu: if lenin were alive
today lenin would be begging us
to let him in
this chan.
mod6: we'll draft up something, probably have something for all
to look at by end of
tomorrow or friday? hope
that's not
too long.
mircea_popescu: except it should be explicitly exclusive rather
than inclusive. "We will NOT work with unqualified
third parties, which is
to say parties
that have not satisfied
their log reading and wot presence prequalifications."
☟︎ mod6: mircea_popescu: ok
thanks, good point.
bounce: redo
the whole
thing in cl in a night already
mircea_popescu: <mod6> <+ben_vulpes> i've never written a charter, are
there good examples out
there? << me either, but we can work on it. no sweat. << you've read plenty of mpex contracts, good enough. keep it direct, plain and simp,le.
othernubs`: highest grade i ever got in a math degree was 98% in a
technical writing course ;0
BingoBoingo: I have a feeling
the great use of Deedbot will be proclamations of giving a fuck.
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> i've never written a charter, are
there good examples out
there? << me either, but we can work on it. no sweat.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> ben_vulpes mod6 so draft a charter,
then we can bitch at it. << okay :)
jurov: yes, you can make
the qemu image available for reproducible builds, but dunno if
to advertise as sop for everyone
mircea_popescu: and since we're doing
this : asciilifeform
the one
thing you'd be most halpful with would be, look into
the god damned rand code/crypto uses
thereof.
ben_vulpes: i've never written a charter, are
there good examples out
there?
othernubs`: maybe it's fair
to put
the burden of
the system's basic integrity on
the user
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes mod6 so draft a charter,
then we can bitch at it.
mircea_popescu: which is another very valid 2nd step, audit
the motherucker.
mircea_popescu: <bounce>
the bitcoin source is actually reasonably portable and doesn't depend on "helpful" stuff like cmake << also
true.
bounce: it's still going
to be a bitch for shops
that're running, say, xen or vmware or whatnot.
mircea_popescu: <jurov> you have
to feed it a blockchain
to avoid endless waiting? << not like we can't keep an official copy for bootstrapping, or else people who have
the patience can just make
their own
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> qemu is available just about anywhere <<
this is
true.
bounce: so how do
the wallets relying on it
then ascertain
the validity of
the chain
that instance serves?
mircea_popescu: <bounce> oh, and deceptive. recall
that shop
that relied on its "accounting" features,
then found out
the hard way
they're useless for keeping
track of accounts? << yeah and definitely must fix, but
that'll be hard
to do on
the first pass. an excellent
thing
to do for first revision
tho,
take out "labels" implement accounts correctly (or merge coin control in, either way)
mircea_popescu: <jurov> and if without gui,
then it should work fine on cygwin, no? << probably.
jurov: bounce
this is nowallet=1 parameter since 0.9
ben_vulpes: mod6, othernubs`: i'm behind on logs, but
this is amenable.
bounce: one
thing
that would be useful but is probably not
that
trivial
to implement is a way
to split keeping
the chain and keeping
the keys
mircea_popescu: all
this non-unix bs, "gotta make an application
to join curl and awk EACH WAY
THEY COULD BE JOINED". for fiddy billion "different" aps.
bounce: probably should do multiple image formats for
the
time being
though
mircea_popescu: othernubs`> let others extend. i don't want gpg
to incorporate curl libs so it can automatically grab otps from gribs << EXACTLY. do one
thing, do it well.
mircea_popescu: othernubs`> i don't
think gui should be a priority, at all. << prolly not. if
they kill
the qt branch it would be no loss anyway
jurov: you have
to feed it a blockchain
to avoid endless waiting?
jurov: i am fine with qemu... but... it builds and
then what?
bounce: the problem with
that is
that
the emulator itself should be widely available
too.
The20YearIRCloud: mircea_popescu: - I've passed out a few, not
to all
tenants
though due
to
the baby being born on last rent cycle
bounce: they got derided for
that, but really,
the feature shouldn't have been in
there in
the first place.
that, or something
that actually did what it said it'd do.
bounce: oh, and deceptive. recall
that shop
that relied on its "accounting" features,
then found out
the hard way
they're useless for keeping
track of accounts?
jurov: and if without gui,
then it should work fine on cygwin, no?
jurov: well.. seems like we need
to draft a roadmap
bounce: yeah,
that's
the point. useless on
the cli, where you'd
throw awk at it instead.
othernubs`: open a bash prompt and
type node wallet.js or w/e
othernubs`: i don't want real bitcoin
to come default w/ candy
bounce: it's quite a lot useless if you're
trying
to build scripts with it, unless
they're browser-based in some way
othernubs`: let others extend. i don't want gpg
to incorporate curl libs so it can automatically grab otps from gribs
bounce: a workable api would be nice.
the current js stuff is... er, open for improvement.