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erlehmann: koi8-r was the one where bitfuckery rearranged the cyrillic glyphs so that taking away
a bit made it ASCII
mod6: anyway,
a couple days ago, i was messing around trying to go from 1 .. Word. And I thought that I got
a compile error saying "Expected Standard.Integer, found "Word"" or something of the kind.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-15 17:19 phf: fwiw unifont is not even the whole story. consider extensions like CTL, which allows you to have special rendering for
a sequence of glyphs.
a completely separate technology from ligatures and combining characters, but part of the standard never the less.
erlehmann: mircea_popescu that is actually
a major point from me. i tend to drink only with people who either proved they can behave appropriately or it would not bother me if they fucked me in the ass with
a supersized dragon dildo while i'm too drunk to resist.
mircea_popescu: so then you do ~what we do when you're having
a moment of clarity and are promiscuous when drunk.
erlehmann: almost half of the code of epigraph is
a recognizer for the input
erlehmann: mircea_popescu when i write software that considers the input language, i tend to write
a grammar for the subset i am going to handle. so yes, i have written software that considers i.e. only characters valid in urlencoded base64 as input and rejects everything else.
erlehmann: my “those people are almost certainly charlatans” moment with urbit was when their software barfed on
a character being more than one byte, despite claiming unicode support.
mircea_popescu: erlehmann so your implementations of unicode include
a filter table which consists of... ascii, and which rejects all non-ascii chars ?
erlehmann: let me say it like thit:
a friend of mine once randomly started to masturbate beside me while visiting. i did not care as i was occupied otherwise, since she did not leave stains. if she had, i would have told her to clean it up.
mircea_popescu: aka "i am
a human perfect in every way and equal to all others, what could there be that's not directly obvious to me as well as anyone"
a111: Logged on 2017-06-28 02:19 mircea_popescu: there's no peer discovery as
a gossipd function ; at all times it knows already all the peers it will ever know. in lawyer speak this is called "never ask
a question you don't know the answer to."
mircea_popescu: which brings
a different matter home : traduttore tradditore etcetera, but only if trying to cross the human-monkey linguistic divide.
mircea_popescu: consequently they form
a highschooler's toolbox and then go build themselves monumental graves.
mircea_popescu: you can not, still to this day, in spite of all sort of "published research", include
a statement of its own coherence in
a coherent system sufficiently complex (so as to include
a statement of certain mathematical truths...)
mircea_popescu: this is why i like that romanian cartoon series, "robotzi". they do it extensively, to breaking point. single example : at some point one says to the other "daca stiam c-ai sa ajungi un ghetzalit nespalat". this is evidently in standard romanian "if i knew you'll end up and unwashed ???". the ??? is iffy, because ghetzalit is not
a word in romanian. in fact, it's
a construction : ghetz is how you say sperm in hungarian, and -
mircea_popescu: anyway. your chief point is correct, in that flexion is pure lisp for language, that i even to this day can say inexistent words whose meanings are directly evident to romanian speakers is
a large matter. english even has rudiments of proper flexion, i can say "the built" and it connotes, but not to all speakers.
mircea_popescu: now, if the jews and other golden crescents notated six centuries later whereas the chinese notated
a few centuries before but
a language already 2500 years old...
a111: Logged on 2017-07-15 18:45 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-15#1684311 << the amusing part here is that ~possibly~, as an entirely speculative, rather literary than linguistic notion, the chinese started out early, and as such started out small : they had but 8 or so letters, which they combined in words (with silent winds, as was the fashion 5000 years pre-magdalene). as the complexity driven by
a large empire ever piled, these short and few letters sta
trinque: I'm still an idiot flash-card-level student of latin, but worth discussing that as the standard for "proper alphabetical lang". even things like "afui" make me feel like
a bumbling idiot when in english I have to say "I was away". only way with pictographs to combine meanings and generate new would seem to be "well yeah, go with me on this one, but this one is sorta related-looking to these other two"
mircea_popescu: now -- birthday paradox, you only get 8 boxes you end up with
a LOT of meanings.
mircea_popescu: rted to carry multiple meanings. FILIP B is still how you say philip the 2nd in greek to this day, because B is also 2. it means
a number of things, and if you didn't know "set" is the english word with the largest number of meanings.
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-15#1684311 << the amusing part here is that ~possibly~, as an entirely speculative, rather literary than linguistic notion, the chinese started out early, and as such started out small : they had but 8 or so letters, which they combined in words (with silent winds, as was the fashion 5000 years pre-magdalene). as the complexity driven by
a large empire ever piled, these short and few letters sta
☝︎☟︎ trinque: she had
a joek of the pointed variety.
erlehmann: trinque if ${girl?} wanted to make
a joke, she should know: APL is not the worst offender, merely the first. rules for identifiers in c# correspond to unicode standard annex 15.
BingoBoingo: <erlehmann> large scale deployments are always driven by statistics. i once read that many stats have no bike helmet laws because lawmakers are convinced this would reduce biking to the point where more cardiovascular diseases outrun benefits of less head injuries. << For all the idiocies Illinois does participate in, it refrains from helmet laws. This means the occasional perosn riding
a chromed up cruisers with
a DOT non-compliant Pick
mircea_popescu: to use
a chinese idiomatic which, oddly, i can actually introduce without importing shitsquiggles.tiff first.
mircea_popescu: even if it was
a little meaningless bit of useless space misplaced and so on.
mircea_popescu: just as soon as they managed to get
a little capital, which is to say money not needed day to day, they stuck it in this deeply improductive activity. not went to istanbul to buy cheap colorful crap to resell, not anything else.
mircea_popescu: this is to say, standard soviet matchbox dwelling, like berlin is still full of, came from the maker with
a "balcony", which was open to the outside. they -- paid, scions of the decrepit metalworking industry, to solder/weld/glue to the balustrades ugly scrap metal pikes and pipes, and in between them put glass.
mircea_popescu: process that produces antibiotics -> people needing to hold on to
a tree while peeing.
erlehmann: sounds like what
a qualified cognitive-behavioural therapist would say indeed!
mircea_popescu: you won't get
a bike helmet industry, which is
a tolerable loss.
mircea_popescu: erlehmann let me tell you
a story. after the fall of the romanian socialist republic, people were left with no practically useful skills and no capital.
a mad rush to accumulate both ensued, which was subsidiarily great because it put young people above old people and as
a result produced the only sort of society worthj living in -- with anxiety way way underregulated. now then -- what did the old people do, as their principa
mircea_popescu: war makes the only thing peace never can, that is -- empty space. the value of empty space varies, from negative after
a war to infinite during socialism.
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2017-07-15 16:50 erlehmann: okay, but most of it.
a special interest group (egyptologican geeks) used
a glyph standard. unicode swallowed that standard. this is how it usually goes.
mircea_popescu: i'm not proposing
a sorting here. i am just proposing they notice the parts of their skull made of cow dung.
BingoBoingo: <erlehmann> asciilifeform ok enjoy your latin1 while it lasts. << 卍 We must secure the existence of our people and
a future for white children 卍
mircea_popescu: coming to that minimal point of self-awareness any bimbo with half
a peanut in her skull manages in fact to come to, where she realises it's not the fucking squiglies painted on her nails that make her unique.
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-15#1684289 LEARNING
A LANGUAGE. accepting that chinese is not
a language ; accepting in order to accept that the simple annd obvious fact thjat your mother and father, if you're chinese, were FOR THAT REASON idiots and imbeciles ; and for the reason also that their parenjts in their turn -- idiots and imbeciles.
☝︎ mircea_popescu: there is NO REASON to continue the nonsense. learn
a language.
mircea_popescu: notice how this works : visa is sending "up to $10k in bitcoin" to its own bitcoin addresses to claim "people" have "invested" in whatever nutty bullshit faux coin they have going ; visa is sending "up to 10k" faux news on dead paper to its own offices to claim someone actually gives
a shit what the new york times says on any topic ; visa is then giving 10k in cash to 50 of its own merchants to pretend like you and i should d
a111: Logged on 2017-07-15 15:09 asciilifeform: meanwhile!, in sunny monkeylandia,
https://archive.is/a3GZE >> 'Visa... offering up to $10,000 each to 50 U.S.-based small business owners that are committed to going cashless... "We are declaring war on cash," said Andy Gerlt,
a spokesman for Visa.'
mircea_popescu: and yes, brougham is
a monument of socialist retardation. devout abolitionist (which, incidentally, is coming together in my mind as the spot where western civilisation actually went off-course, early 1800s), argued with young re wave form of light, argued with some statistician re solar spots impact on wheat prices, tellingly thought everyone else unscientific and by comparison to his bright mind very stupid indeed and perp
mircea_popescu: again, no argument. T needs to be measured, factorial is
a fine case to measure it in, we don't resort to the lab when we wish to prove theory wrong but in all cases and at all times because we like the lab.
mircea_popescu: no argument. but i am
a practical man and i like plugging things in.
phf: well, without such
a "shitstains" you can't for example render arabic or iranian in any meaningful way
erlehmann: i just see „DE“ surrounded by
a special frame instead of
a german flag
phf: fwiw unifont is not even the whole story. consider extensions like CTL, which allows you to have special rendering for
a sequence of glyphs.
a completely separate technology from ligatures and combining characters, but part of the standard never the less.
☟︎ erlehmann: <Multi_key> <N> <S> <D> <
A> <P> : "卐" U5350 # CJK UNIFIED IDEOGRAPH-5350
erlehmann: in standard german, ß / ẞ / ss / SS are not ambiguous, but in german variants that do not use ß / ẞ, the ss / SS could be
a digraph depending on context.
jurov: erlehmann my language has such
a delightful case of "ch" character. which is
a "digraph" and to be counted as one char.
erlehmann: that turns out to be
a problem with the abysmally bad TTF file format.
erlehmann: one point is that incorporating something in unicode does not increase processing complexity by any means. i actually installed
a new version of unifont on an old phone and instantly it could display all the new characters.
erlehmann: okay, but most of it.
a special interest group (egyptologican geeks) used
a glyph standard. unicode swallowed that standard. this is how it usually goes.
☟︎ erlehmann: what actually happened is that people who wanted to use hieroglyphs passed around codes such as A13 –
a standard reference exists (gardiner's sign list) that was incorporated into unicode
mod6: <+asciilifeform> which, btw, imho is intrinsically unsuitable for
a fits-in-head rsatron, it is extremely gnarly and uses float approximations that get magically unfudged back to int, etc << ugh. right.
mod6: does that have
a name? ^
gribble: Error: "!up" is not
a valid command.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-15 07:18 mod6: this 65536 one is gonna run for
a while i think...