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ascii_modem: also read mircea_popescu's new series. i gotta learn where he buys his gas masks, i was never able to stomach even this amt of rothbard anglotardism, even for entomological work

ascii_modem: i also discovered how to write comba such that the only branch is the loop branch

shinohai: Yeah sorry I missed a 5

liquidassets: I miss that small window of time when I could !up myself

a111: Logged on 2017-06-17 21:27 mod6: <+BingoBoingo> <mircea_popescu> i bought a can of coolant, it's FLUORESCENT GREEN << he dye is to tell you which of several incompatible types of coolant it is. Mixing GREEN and ORANGE coolant is a good way to introduce rust to one's engine block cooling passages. << iirc, all vehicles pre-1995 or so used the green coolant.

mod6: <+BingoBoingo> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-17#1671683 << In other news, apparently coolant dyes don't mean anything anymore << ah. well, i guess my car knowledge has fallen off since 96 ☝︎

mircea_popescu: in other news, i can't fucking belive nobody has made a Book of Ulterior Doom, consisting of McGonagall poems with Thomas Kinkade illustrations.

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i still haven't found it, ftr.

mircea_popescu: i can't fucking find it again ;/

mircea_popescu: but i was quoting one of your engineer folk. uncle al maybe ?

mircea_popescu: it sure as fuck shares mystic dimensions with the whole "just give me the facts" "i fucking love science".

phf: i wonder if the narrative shares mythic dimension with the various "sure proof ways of dealing with a devil if you chance meeting him on the road" narratives of 100+ years prior

phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2013-12-25#431157 << i've heard that one in a dozen of different variations (for example instead of фуфло "на просто так" which is as innocent as it gets). there's the whole genre of ru fiction "prison survival for newb", the gist of it is that supposedly you can fake the "correct" answer to "кто ты по жизни" so you won't be harassed. of course the whole framing is nonsense, and if you're reading it it ☝︎

mircea_popescu: i thought i had ; but then i searched and found nothing.

mgoetze: as in do you care how i realise ?

BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> the public key i mean. << AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA you have to specify now after the incident

mgoetze: how long would until i know that it cannot be phuctored ?

mircea_popescu: the public key i mean.

mgoetze: mircea_popescu: yes i do

mgoetze: if it is about the usual procedure here, i am aware about it

Birdman: I'm birdman, live in US, know danielpbarron irl, play eulora infrequently as of late, idk

Birdman: i've nothing of importance to add around here

finitemaz: Lol, I actually did search for him in there

shinohai: As he does not exist in WoT, then is not person as far as I am concerned.

shinohai: I remember his posts from tardstalk, about it.

deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/the-ethics-of-liberty-by-murray-n-rothbard-adnotated-part-i-natural-law-and-reason/ << Trilema - The Ethics of Liberty, by Murray N Rothbard. Adnotated. Part I (Natural Law and Reason)

ag3nt_zer0: greetings ben_vulpes I am trying to add a comment to this: http://cascadianhacker.com/how-to-actually-learn-programming and getting this: http://cascadianhacker.com/wp-comments-post.php is that normal?

a111: Logged on 2017-07-28 19:58 asciilifeform: i suspect that the basic component ( the choice of curve ) is not actually ~understood~

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-28#1690752 << i thought this was the basic agreement. ☝︎

ag3nt_zer0: can't even name a favorite track on that album - but a number of them are just incredible examples of his maturing skills and mastery of his niche... after listening to this album on repeat for the last two years I was totally shocked at the suicide news - made zero sense to me... it's a bit disconcerting to see those who helped inspire me to try to live a purposeful and meaningful life offing themselves

phf: oh i was just taking a piss, because of asciilifeform's reaction. i don't think you have to go esoteric. i don't know of any books, but early lisp related research had plenty of "metaphysics of computing" papers of varied quality that will probably be easily demolished by any real philosopher. i don't know your level of knowledge but perhaps a "introduction to programming" book would do

ag3nt_zer0: hmmmm ok phf and asciilifeform thanks very much... I am thinking I don't even know what a computer is, philosophically... not grokking the fundamentals of LOGIC and physics - fish in water... what the hell IS a computer I guess I need to find out

asciilifeform: i suspect that the basic component ( the choice of curve ) is not actually ~understood~ ☟︎

phf: i make periodic attempts at it every once in a while, and every time i have to go further back in my mathematics education

phf: i don't understand ecc :(

phf: i've not actually read applied cryptography but if it has a section on public key cryptography it should demonstrate the "there can only be absolutely (1) corresponding private key to any given public key", but i guess in order to have certainty about the mechanism you should be reading books on number theory

ag3nt_zer0: ok thanks... hmmm since you just indicated that applied crypto predates and answer to this question might you have anything to recommend off the top of your head for reading that I might get a more sturdy conceptual footing here?

phf: i think it's a continuation of his "how do i keep my coins safe without running full node" question

phf: (and until you do its nature as a wallet can be debated philosophically. i think majority of tmsr is platonists, so there exists an infinitive number of wallets to which you can spend whether or not anyone has possession of them. you can though discover a wallet through the process of key generation)

ag3nt_zer0: I guess my lame-o speculation is that a keypair somehow needs to have access to the network to "exist"

phf: i think the question is "how is that i can generate a wallet offline/airgapped without telling anyone, but then it magically works on real network"

ag3nt_zer0: perhaps its out of my current range of understanding, but might someone point me in the direction that I may grasp how the hell a keypair created on an airgapped computer has relevance in the actual online network...? Applied Cryptography (blue) is en route so perhaps that will help but in meantime thought I would ask here as no luck with searches - don't even know what terms would bring that up...

ascii_wtf: zoolag ( same box ) also down until i can physically get to where it lives.

mircea_popescu: bah, i mean "to have and have not", not passage to marseilles. apparently the cheapo war flicks are running together into one large casablanca.

asciilifeform: 'a hare is seen running like mad, 'where are you running?' -- 'they say they'll be shaving camels soon, so i am on my way to police station, to register as a hare.' 'why do you give a damn what will happen to camels, you are a hare' 'well, they'll grab me, start shaving, then go and prove that you ain't a camel' '

asciilifeform: i'd be curious under what article in penal code, it'd be.

mircea_popescu: i tell you i dun see it, but if you say i'll beleive.

asciilifeform: i have nfi what planet mircea_popescu is posting from

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'm not saying stupidity is not stupidity, you. i am saying, it is no sort of victory for the stupid.

asciilifeform: next time mircea_popescu complains re tx not being mined for no detectable reason, i'ma point him to this thread

asciilifeform: this is why i still hold that the high-S thing was a victory for the enemy. 'you can make your tx, but NOBODY will mine it, and to even find out why you now need to import prbism'

mircea_popescu: meanwhile @picnic, https://i.imgbox.com/dUjxg1Tb.jpg

mod6: i wonder wtf though 'eh?

mod6: i reversed the bytes of the script ^

mod6: the first time i start to see that Null Data for the coinbase tx is on block 476`174.

mircea_popescu: no, i know. it doesn't do anything interesting ; perhaps a hash of some nonsense.

mircea_popescu: no, i know.

a111: Logged on 2017-07-28 08:27 mircea_popescu: and in other weird, i give you tx 4dafebe97c293ac14788be9a0b8b4f900831c7424467dc92c787daf83d90c37c, sole item in block 477915

asciilifeform: ave1: neato, i'll test this today

ave1: I've tested it with different gnats but so far did not get the adainclude problem

ave1: I worked a bit on the musl ada script, it's now here: http://ave1.org/tarpit/ada-musl-cross-2017-07-24.tar.gz

mircea_popescu: and in other weird, i give you tx 4dafebe97c293ac14788be9a0b8b4f900831c7424467dc92c787daf83d90c37c, sole item in block 477915 ☟︎

asciilifeform: ftr, unlike albert speer and his 'ruins theory' - i dun participated care what happens 'after defeat'

asciilifeform: i hear that in 'post-colonial' africa, same scenario played, again and again

mircea_popescu: "I'm a grad student who will be going to grad school to become an occupational therapist."

phf: НОВАЯ ИДЕЯ ОГОРАШИВАЕТ ЧЕЛОВЕКА, К НЕЙ НЕ ПОДГОТОВЛЕННОГО. I ПИСАТЕЛЬ: Я писатель! ЧИТАТЕЛЬ: А по-моему, ты говно! (Писатель стоит несколько минут, потрясенный этой новой идеей и падает замертво. Его выносят.) etc.

phf: i agree that packaging (and the attempted status implication) is distasteful. but electric engineering etc. associate wouldn't be much different. a handful of specialist classes of varied quality mixed with utterly useless "general education" stuff

phf: i just can't share in this sentiment. girl can probably make herself useful by making pretty looking edibles for cupcake stores and weddings. i think that's more useful than sociology

mircea_popescu: i'm sorry ?

phf: i thought that's when they learn how to make this sort of stuff by hand https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/bc/99/3a/bc993a14c5bfc84a3e7fdb40ec6ae37f--pastry-art-pastry-chef.jpg

mircea_popescu: phf you realise, one could perhaps turn pastry making into a degree. BUT i guarantee that's not what they did.

mircea_popescu: in other shockers, " My name is Stephanie. I graduated college with an associates degree in baking and pastry arts."

mircea_popescu: phf i have long searched for said way. trilema is what i came up with.

phf: (this started because i couldn't find a printed version of julius evola's "ride the tiger" in russian translation. i found a pirated version, that i figured i can just print through lulu. i still haven't produced a pdf version that doesn't rely on the whole 6gb tex distribution)

phf: fwiw, i'm just tryin' ta get a way to publish an occasional document; i was under an impression that TeX is a no brainer, it's supposedly inherently tmsr friendly. apparently not, and not only that, the whole stack, since before i was even doing computing was already llvm-like. layers upon layers of "autotools"

a111: Logged on 2017-07-27 21:20 asciilifeform: phf: i can also imagine future where cannibals wear my stuffed skin, what of it

palatine: i read a bit on the origins of the republic, i found striking similarities with our current situation

palatine: it's amazing because when i walk the streets here the San Marco lion is everywhere

mircea_popescu: italian is somewhat mutually inteligible with romanian. but i suppose it also depends what exactly.

palatine: nope, i nicknamed it the "romanian wall"

palatine: i got a question for you, if you don't mind answering, did you plan trilema as a literary opus by the very start or sorta did it grew out on its own way?

palatine: i'm very happy to have found out this place

palatine: fact is, the place i live the law is a joke

palatine: yes, surprised me bit when i found out

mircea_popescu: ah. i suppose to keep to terminology, "i'm a scholar person".

palatine: i'm a lawyer by profession and trying to escape the barn in general ☟︎

mircea_popescu: lol but i mean, "i'm not a tech person because i am an ? person" ?

palatine: i knew a hard question was on my way

palatine: not being a tech person i have some trouble with the WoT thing

palatine: feels strange talking to you after all reading i did, sorta speaking with a character out of a book

mircea_popescu: that future is now, and just as soon as i fuck one i'll care.

mircea_popescu: moreover, i can envisage a future where the clean html of the republic is viewed through "browser2iphonekek" as javascript-whatever.

asciilifeform: phf: i can also imagine future where cannibals wear my stuffed skin, what of it ☟︎

mircea_popescu: phf i wasn't aware he ever did bit twiddles. my sparse reading of bits and pieces never showed me any.

phf: i can envision a future where some TMSR SYSTEM package weights at 100GB but at its core is "p.vpatch" that is used exclusively through "vada2rust" translation system

phf: fwiw the dynamic around tex is fascinating. here's very much a literate artifact of high discipline. every piece is a carefully documented literate program, custom tooling that enforces the conventions, "I have also spent thousands of hours trying to ensure that the systems produce essentially identical results on all computers. I strongly believe that an unchanging system has great value, even though it is axiomatic that any complex system can be impr

phf: i don't know if that's the case, that's just my guess. but you are doing fixed size allocations though, and we had threads about it

asciilifeform: phf: ftr i'm going for the exact opposite of this liquishit.

phf: i suspect it's more about the choice of data structures. for one there are no allocs (very much in the spirit of ascii's ada explorations), so he probably has a lot of mempools, some byte compression and possibly bit twiddling. i've not read the second book yet, because i still haven't compiled the damn thing outside of the reservation