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asciilifeform: i guess there's something pleasurable in seeing the moduli
asciilifeform l0lz that folks are using 'phuctor' as a key viewer
Adlai: hah, i'd forgotten this already: http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/29F24169A59A5BE1ACC8FCE0E852F4AE1C2A83C2F6B6902D6FA363BFC983ACBA
asciilifeform: lol wasn't meant to be used as an authoritative keyserver.
Adlai: oh, that submission date is today. nvm.
mircea_popescu: Adlai unrelated to our convo.
Adlai: where are you going with that quote?
mircea_popescu: "Lest this all seem merely amusing, meditate on the fate of those who have tampered with words before. The behaviorists ruined words like "behavior", "response", and especially, "learning". They now pl-ay happily in a dream world, internally consistent but lost to science."
Adlai: i've had btc auth set up for around two years
mircea_popescu: well no meaningful content is directly obvious from the form of expression. you gotta know what the words sya.
thestringpuller: "The cryptography is the strongest point. Your enemies will attack the weakest point, which is you."
Adlai: you may understand that, but it's not evident purely from response to ;;dient
mircea_popescu: Adlai it just says "you're authed" and lists how that could be
Adlai: how charming, i'm only btc authed, but gribble presents it as though i'm gpg authed too
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask Adlai!~Adlai@gateway/tor-sasl/adlai. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user Adlai: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=Adlai | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Adlai | Rated since: Sat Oct 11 10:15:58 2014
mircea_popescu: double the hassle of logging. tide's not really that high yet.
Adlai: a stricter form of identity verification would require breaching *both*, rather than either, or only one
asciilifeform: 'Who steals my purse steals trash; 'tis something, nothing; 'Twas mine, 'tis his, and has been slave to thousands; But he that filches from me my good name...'
mircea_popescu: as pointedly opposed to using the ecdsa in bitcoin
mircea_popescu: convenience is the enemy, of course.
Adlai: my reason/excuse has mainly been convenience, i had the btc auth set up years ago before i'd ever used gpg
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform are you asking me why or the abuser why ?
Adlai: frankly, my crypto knowledge is lacking to have anything meaningful to say on this issue, beyond "gpg keys can have an order of magnitude more entropy than bitcoin pubkey hashes"
mircea_popescu: this is so braindamaged as to leave one breathless.
mircea_popescu: the only proper way to use bitcoin addresses as identification correctly is to run a never-connected node that has no balance.
asciilifeform: one could in principle maintain a bitcoin 'keypair' for the purpose of abusing it for public key signatures
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not even getting into these technical discussion : getting people to use their credit cards as identification paperwork is a bad idea.
asciilifeform: whether this particular microscope is fit for use as a hammer, depends on two very separate questions - what you think of ecdsa, and what you think of bitcoind
Adlai: thx, not much luck slogging through http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=from%3Aben_vulpes+auth*
assbot: A summary of changes to Bitcoin since 0.3.21
mircea_popescu: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/10/20_a-summary-of-changes-to-bitcoin-since-0321.html#fn.24 there.
mircea_popescu: vulpes explains this if memory serves.
Adlai: although i guess it's less convenient to keep using in the face of existing automation of gpg auth
Adlai: it's not any better than gpg auth, but i don't see why it's any worse either
mircea_popescu: badly thought out, pointless functionality doesn't get much use among the sane.
mircea_popescu: what's so amazing about this ?
Adlai: amazingly nobody seems to use btc address auth. wtf?
mircea_popescu: Adlai http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/GPG_authentication#Helper_scripts like that ?
mircea_popescu: Adlai ah, the book. no, never have.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck reporting is this.
mircea_popescu: Our biggest concern is the welfare of children who appear on this site. {Site name redacted} has a ZERO tolerance policy for rape or
asciilifeform: but from the article, it sounds deeply reminiscent of a similar turd, 'cyberselfish'
asciilifeform: the book? can't say that i have
assbot: Logged on 14-11-2014 10:10:46; mircea_popescu: http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=4781 and it's really good, too.
asciilifeform: (esr suffers from some of the same problems as taleb)
Adlai: (the book, not the review itself)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im just saying, let's not confuse those who pass the fertility test with those who fail the turing test.
Adlai: anybody read this? ^^
jurov: wow that discussion... rather novel restatement of the question whether a soul exists
mircea_popescu: understand something : if female brain were not hackable, if female vulva had no opening, there'd be no species.
asciilifeform: well, inverse turing test.
mircea_popescu: nah, the two are not the same.
asciilifeform: and that was when we learned that there are those among us who... fail turing test.
asciilifeform: she demanded to be 'let alone with it' ☟︎
mircea_popescu: rather than a universal problem
mircea_popescu: yup. it works as a trap for particular people
asciilifeform: and insisted that the thing was 'alive' and 'understood her'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually weizenbaum's story is more interesting than the 'prosteriority' lets on.
asciilifeform: unless there was a lizards-only 0th conference...
empyex: mircea_popescu: Next conference starts in 5 months and 3 days. Estimated cost today: 3.30951486 BTC (Details: http://trilema.com/2014/the-conference-third-edition/ )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu lets nothing go to waste.
assbot: I don’t know what the hell I said. I gave her an ultimatum and there’s nothing I can do. It’s a machine. The little light is blinking right now: ‘Come and listen to the idiot. Hey everybody, the idiot’s on!’ pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
asciilifeform: not that i personally give a damn whether a particular honeypot is artificial or 'wild.'
asciilifeform: at any rate, the incentive for the buggers to fabricate 'terrorist atrocities' is so overwhelming, that any such item is guilty until proven innocent of being just such a crock of shit.
asciilifeform: (for whatever value of 'criminal', in whatever kingdom or time)
asciilifeform: and opens self to strangers
asciilifeform: what is a honeypot if not each and every criminal undertaking that steps outside of its 'wot' ?
asciilifeform: cazalla: the whole thing exists only as a honeypot, even when it doesn't.
assbot: 4 results for 'the man who was thursday' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=the+man+who+was+thursday
asciilifeform: !s the man who was thursday
cazalla: what are the odds such a site is a honey pot?
cazalla: ignoring the paedos, i thought this was a good model for a porn site http://www.deepdotweb.com/2014/11/09/as-drug-markets-are-seized-pedophiles-launch-a-crowdfunding-site/
mircea_popescu: can this be like, our god ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: all these important things i don't know about!
assbot: NASAA: Top Investor Threats | Qntra.net
asciilifeform: 'the map is not the territory, but you can't fold up the territory and fit it in your glove compartment.'
asciilifeform: (for n00bs only: who is 'lizard hitler' ? a character approximately as real as magnetic field lines were to michael faraday. don't look for magnetic field lines, they aren't there. physically. or as far as we can tell, anyway.) ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: mechanism exists, but i have no idea what it looks like in application to modern usa.
mircea_popescu: same happened to bucharest, also in 70s
asciilifeform: but not the organs of usg, nor of finance.
asciilifeform: if you visit wash.,d.c. you can see that in the '70s a good chunk of the place got 'detroit'ed.
mircea_popescu: what i am saying is that the mechanism clearly exists.
mircea_popescu: now look. im not saying the small scale thing is effectual.
asciilifeform: same deal there
asciilifeform: burn down own tenements, etc.
mircea_popescu: fine, whatever unquenchable permariots. the paris stuff.
asciilifeform: lizard-hitler loves it when his zoo animals fight ineffectually among themselves
asciilifeform: quite a few folks say 'ferguson' when discussion hypothetical phase transition, but i must disagree.
mircea_popescu: something like the ferguson stuff.
mircea_popescu: because if he perceives too many, he's going to go "fuck you, and your laws, and your union"
mircea_popescu: no, but her ability to continue in relevance is a strict function of how many mrs smith johnny perceives a day.
mircea_popescu: you know, peacible grasshoppers suddenly change mode because they got touched on the toes by others too many times.
mircea_popescu: but the problem is the swarming instinct.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there are still 'few old guys.' they see the remaining many as impostors, but are not particularly afraid of them. they have pills for this ('obamacare' etc.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that scheme only works when there's few old guys.
Adlai: basically, that's what happens when tribes/nation[/-]states attack eachother
asciilifeform: afaik traditional scheme is for the armies to fight in perpetual deadlock, as if they were the ruminants with horns set at such an angle as to be of no use
mircea_popescu: sure. they also fuck her, then they go have a drink with the first gang, exchange impressions.
mircea_popescu: hires a different gang of thugs to... kill the first gang ?
mircea_popescu: suppose kim kardashian goes around drunk in the bad part of detroit, gets raped by a gang of thugs