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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: current d00d offers to trade for a qty of raw 'ivory's
asciilifeform: lol i might have found a buyer for ye olde 3620
asciilifeform: because it's a crippled horror
asciilifeform: ( afaik there is not a 16bit gnat/djgpp. but 32bit with prot.mode extender oughta work ok )
mircea_popescu attempted to leave comment ("You're not very smart, are you. You'd like to be, obviously. But that's not the same thing."). on every attempt, a different field is supposedly not filled.
mircea_popescu: which is a subtle shift from what mp actually says on the topic. primo strawman.
asciilifeform: 'The cult of action for action’s sake. “Action being beautiful in itself, it must be taken before, or without, any previous reflection. Thinking is a form of emasculation.”' lol!!
mircea_popescu: lulz from the dood suggesting "in between server", http://eschatologist.net/blog/ : ""Italian author Umberto Eco defined “Ur-Fascism” in an article in the New York Review of Books in June, 1995. It can be distilled into fourteen points. It’s worth taking a look at these to see just what our society is dealing with when it comes to “alt-right” Neo-Nazis and the ideology they promote.
mircea_popescu: shorther than a duck's knee.
asciilifeform: ( and that was the EASIEST bit. the console protocol, for instance, is still undocumented; and last time asciilifeform gave a shit, he did not - and still does not - have test equipment fast enough to sample the 200+MHz analogue waveform accurately )
mircea_popescu: anyway. it was a big deal enough for qayser-i rhim to be a thing.
asciilifeform: now THIS is very much a thing
mircea_popescu: nobody knows how things were as a matter of fact ; but the notion has plenty of skin on its bones.
mircea_popescu: in the simplest of terms, no afghan goes "we must make peace with trump because he bought himself a jet". at the time, this literally happened, "we can not be at war with these people they have books".
mircea_popescu: there is a moment in frank history when this third brother raised up in rebellion because his father disinherited him. and he had... no artefacts. this was a huge fucking deal, they had not a single book to know how to organize the state/church.
mircea_popescu: it is a matter of fact, though. a monk was fucking expensive. more so than the modern item in question.
mircea_popescu: 1500 italy was, just as much as 1960 pacifgic islands, a scavenger culture.
asciilifeform: not a single 1 of these folx show any symptom whatsoever of having a microscopic part of the most elementary clue re what is involved.
mircea_popescu: there's a very strictly defined ingredient which distinguishes the cargo cult scavenger worlds from the renaissance scavenger worlds.
asciilifeform: we're talking about a nonrenewable resource.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-23 15:17 mircea_popescu: and this in the best case, a good half simply buy them to deny it to memory strokers in the hope of geting more $$$ later.
mircea_popescu: i've yet to buy a multiuser box.
asciilifeform: phf: yes but over x11 in your house, not over half a planet
phf: it is possibly because 3600 series is a hog. xl1201 is snappy, i got it to render a jpeg over the wire for example, all the hacking was done on machine over x11
asciilifeform: it ain't terribly useful as a headless deployment thing, tho, really shines as dev tool
asciilifeform: iirc phf has a working 400
asciilifeform: thing eats maybe a full kW/hr
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in other lulz : i just brokered a deal whereby we could in principle get candi to run off vintage iron, as a hosting deal :D ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-03-23 03:26 asciilifeform: the 'collectors', in my experience, have been the farthest possible thing from a help -- quite a hindrance, in fact.
mircea_popescu: but yeah, starr had a cabaret when he was a kid, just like you. fucked cindi lauper into womanhood and so on.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the idea was, restaurants don't work like apple stores, there's a "concept store" etc. they work more like music acts i guess.
mircea_popescu: i suppose the situation is tight coupling between businessman and chef, which meanwhile disolved. i still count it as an a, except the funes item came in thje shape of starr/rose binome.
phf: i'm pretty sure starr himself is not a cook, but apparently the whole starr restaurant is not his first venture, he started as a large-scale stadium concert organizer (? i'm not sure what to call that role), so who knows how much cash he put into his restaurant venture
mircea_popescu: a yeah, check that out, franchised. sad. i've not seen the books but i'll bet you the conglomerate lost money q1 2017.
asciilifeform: 'selling even one of these in today’s market would recoup the cost of everything we purchased, the van rental & gas between here and boston, the cost of freighting hundreds and hundreds of pounds of equipment from new york to washington state with enough left over to purchase a brand new macbook'
mircea_popescu: in my mind that's a.
mircea_popescu: i am not aware of a successful restaurant that was built as you describe. you have a) the funes style restaurants, owned and operated by an actual expert chef. these are 50-50 for roi. b) the "prestige" restaurants of very large hotel conglomerates. these always lose money and are the mud from which a sprouts and in which a goes to die. and then you have the roadside diners. and then d) you have the franchises.
mircea_popescu: phf he tried and failed from hwat i hear. though i hear via actual bar people, as opposed to itards, and it's mixed in "shithead has nfi how to run a bar" expletives.
mircea_popescu: oh the guy made a bar right
asciilifeform: he ran a restaurant/club thing
asciilifeform: (b) is a recurring boojum in prosthetics as a whole
mircea_popescu: the way it usually works is that they lose focus vision but retain lateral vision (this is how chet's eyes work). this then can through intensive training be taken to the point where you can actually write code. whereas surgery to implant a) doesn't yield very good focus vision and b)c threatens complete destruction of peripheral remnants.
mircea_popescu: major problem is that few people lose vision through retinal failure in a way that produces total blindness.
asciilifeform: ( there were maybe a 1000 made, iirc )
asciilifeform: the interesting bit is not the golden toilet aspect, but that mit bought up a good % of the whole run
mircea_popescu: actually the ancient web presses were coupla mil a pop.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: each of those fat squat boxes is a 3650 and was something like 200k usd ( 1980s usd )
asciilifeform: betcha there ain't a single nonx86 comp ( or nonx86 brain!11 ) in that bldg right nao
phf: yeah, that's a beautiful video
mircea_popescu: dali was a drawtsriteman.
asciilifeform: at least not to... right a collegepaper
mircea_popescu: "Comments: Interested in finding the value of a like new Otrona Attache. all accessories (including carry case)and documentation and software with it. Used only once to wright a college paper."
asciilifeform: 'A break from my usual exotic, esoteric, rare and high-end vintage computers- I built a 486DX2 66mhz DOS shitbox for reliving my childhood.' ( from his twatter ) << lulzily, i did this recently..
mircea_popescu: well, i guess see if ian wants to reg a pgp key, i'd rate him. if nothing else, on the strength of
mircea_popescu: anyway. so far i've not discovered a discrete way to help teh good folk.
phf: perhaps if it was my only thing to do, but i would still probably find myself staring down a barrel of a nagant at some point
phf: that was before i knew either tr0n or probably even asciilifeform for that matter. ascii's been posting bolix stuff for a while now, and i'm not particularly keen on mediating this relationship.
phf: we also talked a few times about him emailing asciilifeform about symbolics hardware, either with a dismissive reply or no reply at all.
phf: i know trinitr0n personally, and i also spent time on #bolix a year or so ago, but snr went down, and now it's mostly tr0n's personal shit talking place, so i just communicate with a handful of people from that channel who i think are useful by other means
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im a guest there, what. am i going to go around visiting people and organising their harems ?
asciilifeform: d00d ain't an archaeologist, he's a grave robber.
asciilifeform: lol looks like a bolixwhisperer
mircea_popescu: anyway, to a certain (EXTREMELY FUCKING LARGE) degree, people being weary of redditatds one day popping in is entirely understandable to me.
asciilifeform: and even to 'mill' ( a gavinization of a poor reading of asciilifeform's unbuilt arch )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform phf http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/SYECU/?raw=true bolix discussion (they dun wanna have it public). including first ever instance of a "who the fuck are you" handshake working out.
asciilifeform: ( was a cheapened version of ibmpc, circa '84 iirc )
asciilifeform: i'll confess, i never had a pc-jr.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know a fellow tr0n/trinitr0n ?
mircea_popescu: a. lol. wd!
asciilifeform: trinque: hey, d00d is 'sane' enough that he offloads his insanity to a shannonizer. weakling!11
trinque: that's a true honor, right there.
trinque: "Your writing sounds like a rant of a person more crazy than I am." - Terry Davis << wahahahaha
asciilifeform: but in neither case does the instr set 'fully correspond to the language'. in the case of ada in particular, there is a useful thing that happens ~where whole program~ is examined.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there's a substantive function, in transistor-poor era , to break down high level lang into the type of ops realistically fittable into silicon
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-02#1692636 << neal stephenson at some point raised half a million dollars on kickstarter to write a realistic computer simulation/game for sword fighting. his target audience/groupies/support staff look remarkably similar to the people from the photo in this articles, including the one lady in renfair getup. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: ok, let's approach it this way : is the point of a "high level language" strictly to clothe cpu instruction set in glyphs people like, or is there an actual substantive function to it beyond ux ?
mircea_popescu: humanreadable face on code is a GLYPH. the code is actually code.
mircea_popescu: as in language-on-a-chip, no interpreter no compiler no linker no assembler.
asciilifeform: ( if mircea_popescu meant a chip-that-checks-bounds. which existed at various points, e.g. symbolics lineup supported ada natively just as well as lisps . )
mircea_popescu: to revisit a very ancient mp wonderment since his less-interested days ( http://trilema.com/2010/curiozitate-calculatoristica/ ) : why not ada-on-a-chip ? ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-06-30 19:42 asciilifeform: in fact, here's a new (afaik) scheme for tta. an instruction is THREE addresses, X, Y, Z. and it performs Z := X xor Y.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-02 20:04 mircea_popescu: for my own curiosity, what's the state of the art re "MINIMAL cpu design" ? ie, the theory of how many instructions mustg be in a set and why and per-instruction justification and everything ?
asciilifeform: ( that doesn't rely on closed xilinx 20GB turdchain to fill, doesn't contain a flash rom, doesn't double as a frying pan )
mircea_popescu: gimme a sec
asciilifeform: ( other than by baking into fpga. which 1) introduces the 'which fpga, again' problem 2) if you have fpga, big enough for sparc, you can make up a SANE arch to go in it
asciilifeform: i mention sparc as a historic item, it is afaik no longer possible to source it.
mircea_popescu: ie, if you implement 32 register views you're then making a server cpu whereas if you implement 3 you're thereby making an embeddable cpu
mircea_popescu: the number of such "register views" aka windows was a per-processor thing
asciilifeform: the index into these is a register. having some immutable width.
mircea_popescu: this is a fact.
asciilifeform not aficionado of sparc specifically. it's a complexityhog.
mircea_popescu: leaving aside how "our idea of scalable is to define a number up to 32 and then you can go from 3 to 32 and this is now scaling" hurr.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it was a pretty ordinary thing in '80s
asciilifeform: it apparently is a surprise to some people.
mircea_popescu: this is not a gotcha.
asciilifeform: one other gotcha: complexity has a cost.
asciilifeform: ditto for a die made with particular process -- empty space doesn't get your money back
asciilifeform: correct. but the answers to these depend SEVERELY on the substrate. for instance, if your thing lives in a fpga, not filling it up doesn't make it cycle any faster. so you want to actually use the available gates, if they can be used productively
asciilifeform: or a multer. etc
asciilifeform: or the cost of not having a barrel shifter.