asciilifeform: whereas it's just an array of asciiola and a few control chars (e.g. lf)

asciilifeform: in asciilifeform's head 'plain text' means strictly v100, i.e. this convenient (too convenient) item 'the customer Got Accustomed To'(tm)(r) in 1950s and is old, tired, being asked to do all sorts of contradictory things like sane diffability, structure-preserving edits, etc

asciilifeform: trinque: i'd bet d00d has spells of sobriety, he has afaik already outlived the expected life of a serious meth aficionado ☟︎

asciilifeform: ( and given that i ain't his personal physician , i dun even care if he does the job while tripping , or while sober, so long as he does )

asciilifeform: hell knows it's happened befoar

asciilifeform: maybe d00d sobers up for a day and does a job !

asciilifeform: there we go.

asciilifeform: aaanyway gabriel_laddel knows how to do this experiment. i look forward to hearing result

asciilifeform: trinque: fwiw i have never set foot in those lands. only met east cunts.

asciilifeform: i presume yes ?

asciilifeform: do you now have a comp and able to work ?

asciilifeform: ( because asciilifeform actually did a very similar experiment as a student, in early 2000s )

asciilifeform: what was result ?

asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: tried training on it ? vs , say, on /dev/urandom

asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: didja ever download the 1GB example FG bin ?

asciilifeform: trinque: not as if we're awash in recruits. we have here this 1legged d00d, says he wants to fight.

asciilifeform: what's NNFG ?

asciilifeform: i.e. what brings gabriel_laddel to #t ?

asciilifeform: m item

asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: what's yer medium-ter

asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: also if you have an rsa, post it plox

asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: here's a shot : take this http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760563 needleman-wunsch, and turn it into a standalone ( use sbcl's save-lisp-and-die knob, say ) difftron util. come up with own format. ☝︎

asciilifeform: trinque: he asked 'gimme useful item to do' neh

asciilifeform: at 25 asciilifeform unsuccessfully peddled an industrial automation linux+sbcl+proggy-in-a-crate actually quite reminiscent of gabriel_laddel's thing

asciilifeform: asciilifeform also had not produced anything useful to the republic, at 25

asciilifeform: trinque: he's what, 19 ?

asciilifeform: trinque: out of curiosity, do the two of you know one another from meatspace ? and hated for 20yrs ? or how

asciilifeform: the misfortunate thing is that he labeled it 'lispm'

asciilifeform: trinque: iirc he did have a standalone gentoo-cooker neh

asciilifeform: trinque: barf all you like, the d00d nearly made a working cuntoo

asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: this is good to hear.

asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: and call it what you want, but imho it'll be moar appreciated as linux distro, than to label 'lispm'

asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: do pop in, do speak

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ~none of it, it's html, neh

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-12-25#1353298 << e.g. ☝︎

asciilifeform: FINALLY

asciilifeform: it's the only thing that works.

asciilifeform: and of 'plain text' idea.

asciilifeform: it does however mean letting finally go of the vt100.

asciilifeform: it's the gordian cut.

asciilifeform: sorta why i favour the structure-editor and store-EVERYTHING-as-sexprs approach.

asciilifeform: and overall culture of illiteracy

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i can't at all disagree , re comments

asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu makes one -- i'll buy

asciilifeform: so it can create paper of arbitrary width ?!

asciilifeform: but 'throw out yer printer' won't fly.

asciilifeform: i won't disagree with abolishing'em when ~possible~ cleanly

asciilifeform: like it , or not.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: rails -- have gauge. and spacetime itself appears to come with 'magic #s'.

asciilifeform: 'мы вас похороним' !11 (tm)(r)

asciilifeform: so far the folx who code on paper, wrote ffa, and the folx who wrote on display -- wrote what.

asciilifeform: 'do from cause, not purpose' necessarily includes not giving rat's arse re 'what will lose out to one day when sun burns out'

asciilifeform: in the end man can lose out to cockroaches also.

asciilifeform: and anyone who dunlike it , can jump in a lake.

asciilifeform: i'ma carry right on wrapping comments to 80, like father and grandfather did and like the gods intended.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: hence http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-05#1764949 ☝︎

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: aha

asciilifeform: ( whynot, is not a bad question, it reduces to the absence of a solution to the tednelson problem -- how to point into a structure unambiguously, other than by line # ) ☟︎

asciilifeform: code. does. not. reflow.

asciilifeform: it differentiates man from monkey.

asciilifeform: i'ma disagree that the use of paper is 'bad habit'

asciilifeform: or for that matter any record kept of old instructions , that the thing could jump to ?

asciilifeform: so ben_vulpes do you see a jump ?

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: you tell me

asciilifeform picture scene from film 'idiocracy', where hero gets 'his name', 'Not Sure', tattooed on forehead

asciilifeform: credible?!

asciilifeform: ( upstack : dma, interrupts, pipeline, instruction reorderer, 'hyperthreading', multiple buses, 'bridges' -- all are epicycles ( hey mircea_popescu ! ) from vonneumannism , where instructions 'push' (unrelated to stack concept) outputs, rather than 'pull' inputs as they oughta ) ☟︎

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: expand ?

asciilifeform: ^ see also.

asciilifeform: !#s dma

asciilifeform: on the other hand, pipeline idea per se was a mistake; same kind of failure to invent dataflowism as dma

asciilifeform: ( on vliw, there was a pipeline, but proggy was expected to fill it 'by hand' . a kind of 'stick shift'. if a sub-instr stepped on another's toes, it was a eggog, like div0 is on x86 , abort . )

asciilifeform: bbbut noooo, gotta reorder, because Only A Terorrist Would expect microshit to write sane compiler... ☟︎

asciilifeform: a la vliw.

asciilifeform: semantics-changing optimization belongs in ~compiler~ (if even there), not in iron.

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: ~all archs with instruction-reordering and cache, are

asciilifeform: conceivably, like everything else, it is absent ~somewhere~ ( ... crapple ? )

asciilifeform: it's a gnu coreutil. so theoretically yes

asciilifeform: ( make a string out of /dev/random crapola + current epoch time, say ) ☟︎

asciilifeform: temp dir paths gotta be gensyms.

asciilifeform: you can fix the second by erasing at the beginning of a run. but not the first.

asciilifeform: second , as in the case discussed in the thread, if a run aborts, it creates a mine for next run to step on.

asciilifeform: no good. first of all suppose there are 2 concurrent runs of the vtron ( say this is a cuntoo pressing itself ) ☟︎

asciilifeform: umm

asciilifeform: how do you create the ~name~ of the dir

asciilifeform: right but what's in $tdir

asciilifeform: mod6: what actually ends up in $tdir ?

asciilifeform: mod6: what's make_tmpdir made of ?

asciilifeform: let's quote ftr : 'Creates a temporary directory in the most secure manner possible. There are no race conditions in the directory’s creation. The directory is readable, writable, and searchable only by the creating user ID. The user of mkdtemp() is responsible for deleting the temporary directory and its contents when done with it.'

asciilifeform: https://docs.python.org/2/library/tempfile.html << gory details.

asciilifeform: however the external 'tempfile' item, made gensymtronic dirs. so this never became a headache.

asciilifeform: did not attempt to catch ctrl-c or any other signal.

asciilifeform: .... shutil.rmtree(gpgtmp)

asciilifeform: gpgtmp = tempfile.mkdtemp()

asciilifeform: ... used 'tempfile' py lib

asciilifeform: well, let's reread http://trilema.com/2015/no-such-labs-releases-v-for-victory then : ☟︎

asciilifeform: aha

asciilifeform: mod6: an aborted run of vtron should not be able to put a caltrop for subsequent run to die on. this is imho elementary.

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: odd! are they so rare today ?

asciilifeform: esp if it gets in the way of a subsequent run